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Guys, how much prior sexual experience do you want your SO to have?

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This is reason enough to have a Men's Only Forum. Walt tries to open a thread to elicit open non-judgmental commentary from the guys and....[:/]:|



The entire body of thought underlying the question is judgmental.

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The entire body of thought underlying the question is judgmental.



I haven't seen much sexism in this thread, but I'm going to throw some out right here. Men generally say what we actually mean. Women, on the other hand, often say one thing but mean something different. Problems arise when women attribute this same tendency to men. You don't have to sit there and wonder what devious underlying concept Walt was trying to allude to by asking "Guys, how much prior sexual experience do you want your SO to have?" He's a guy. The question was simply a question, without any of the alleged judgement as far as I can see.

:P;)

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The entire body of thought underlying the question is judgmental.



I haven't seen much sexism in this thread, but I'm going to throw some out right here. Men generally say what we actually mean. Women, on the other hand, often say one thing but mean something different. Problems arise when women attribute this same tendency to men. You don't have to sit there and wonder what devious underlying concept Walt was trying to allude to by asking "Guys, how much prior sexual experience do you want your SO to have?" He's a guy. The question was simply a question, without any of the alleged judgement as far as I can see.

:P;)



I didn't mention Walt in my statement.

rl
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Why is it unreasonable for a man OR woman to have one standard for a sportfuck and a different standard for a relationship?



Sportfuck?



You know, recreational sex without significant emotional investment. A woman I was seeing once introduced me to some of her co-workers. A short time later one of them mistakenly referred to me as her boyfriend. She was all over that, responding, "Hey, I don't do 'boyfriends'. He and I are sportfucking"

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One way the very idea of the thread could be interpreted as sexist is that it imples that one level of sexual experience = good women and another level = bad women.

However, I think this is a good discussion to have, and have here in Bonfire. Especially if it opens a few eyes to lingering attitudes ... I'm still waiting to hear from the approx 20% who want 'em "pure and untouched."

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Sportfuck?



You know, recreational sex without significant emotional investment. A woman I was seeing once introduced me to some of her co-workers. A short time later one of them mistakenly referred to me as her boyfriend. She was all over that, responding, "Hey, I don't do 'boyfriends'. He and I are sportfucking"

Blues,
Dave



I don't do sex without a significant emotional investment, which is why I wondered. I'll have sex with a friend, but that's because he's a friend. If I have reason to believe it will weaken the friendship bond rather than enhance it, I'll skip the sex. I've made some bad judgments about it in the past--some guys seem to have a set of switches that comprise friend/girlfriend/slut, and with nowhere else to put a friend with whom they're having sex, they flip the slut switch, with the expected bad result.

I may not have to worry about that anymore, though, because this thread is making me consider permanent celibacy.

rl
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My ego tells me that I want whatever woman I'm with to think that I'm the best lover she's ever had. The more lovers she's had, the worse the odds are that I'll be her best ever.

Similarly, I want whatever woman I'm with to be the best lover I've ever had. The fewer lovers she's had, the worse the odds are that she'll be my best ever.

Theoretically, a motivated virgin could have some natural talents and a really open mind and eventually fit the bill, but this seems INCREDIBLY unlikely. I can't really teach her how to give me the best blowjob ever because I don't know myself. Similarly, a gal who's been around the blocks a few hundred times might have only been with sub-par men, and thus my average self with average talents could seem incredibly good, but this again seems pretty damned unlikely. Somewhere in between these two concepts is a nice compromise. A woman who has an open mind, some established skills, and a desire to make me feel as good as she possibly can...AND she just happens to prefer the way I do things over other techniques and is willing to tell me what I can do differently to make it even better for her.

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"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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I may not have to worry about that anymore, though, because this thread is making me consider permanent celibacy.



Nah, just avoid the ones with the friend/girlfriend/slut switch in their brains. Might be difficult to pick those out of a crowd, but they do exist.

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One way the very idea of the thread could be interpreted as sexist is that it imples that one level of sexual experience = good women and another level = bad women.

However, I think this is a good discussion to have, and have here in Bonfire. Especially if it opens a few eyes to lingering attitudes ... I'm still waiting to hear from the approx 20% who want 'em "pure and untouched."



Krisanne, you've made some great posts in this thread. Thankyou.

Since I asked the question, I can say with a great deal of certainty that there was no judgement on my part. I can honestly say that it has never been a consideration for me with any of my partners.

I don't think level of sexual experience has anything to do with whether someone is a good person. That has more to do with how they treat others and themselves.

In my experience, many (if not most) women are *far* more judgemental in that area than I ever have been or ever will be. This whole thread is *not* about being judgemental, though, it's about revealing sexual attitudes that exist whether anyone likes them or not.

I'm with you in thinking that the most revealing discussions would be about wanting "purity", for lack of a better word. I don't understand that attitude and I would like to. I doubt that there will be much discussion though, because it is quite clear to me that anyone who does post about having that preference will be attacked. I am not suggesting they will be attacked by you, but they will be attacked, and that really undermines any value this thread may have had.

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Then I'd like to hear from the 9 guys (so far) who want their women "pure and untouched." So far Icon134 is the only one whose response has indicated that he voted that way. And in his case, at least he's holding himself to the same standard he holds women to.



Ok, one of the only reasons I chose the pure and untouched is that there wasn't an option for I me wanting someone that at least has some Standards herself and has limited herself in the number of others she's been with. That's not to say that she has to have an unbroken hymen... and I certainly expect her to understand her own body and hope that she is willing/able to teach *me* how to help please her..

I'm also of the opinion that at my age I'm not likely to find someone that I would be interested in (from an intelectual and activity level...) that has also saved herself for marage... [:/]

but since y'all know many of my faults... :| I don't know that I need to go into them right now...
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I am not suggesting they will be attacked by you, but they will be attacked, and that really undermines any value this thread may have had.



It's not a very popular position to hold, at least if it's a double standard. If a man comes on here and says "I believe sex outside of marriage is wrong and I will (or did) wait till I am married to have sex and I would like my future wife to have done the same" I will say "I respect your values and I respect that you want your future wife to share those values."

However, if the reasoning is "I've had sex before but want my wife to be pure" I'd like to hear the rationale. If they're willing to admit it's just ego, I suppose I can understand that. But if it has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with believing that she is "unclean" because she's had sex (and yet, he's not), yeah, I'd probably rip him a new one. Then again, if he's looking for a virgin, he probably also doesn't want me anywhere near his asshole. :ph34r:

Re: the ego thing ... personally, if I can make someone's toes curl, it's actually more of an ego boost if I know they've got something else to compare it to and I'm *still* curling the hell out of their toes. The sexually inexperienced are also easily impressed.

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I know they exist, but it's like trying to buy cherries in the off-season--there are a lot of rejects just to get even one good one.

The difference between men and cherries is that the cherries can't talk, but most guys you meet want to tell you what really great and enlightened guys they are. And the harder the sell, the worse they are as to possessing a sense of entitlement and a need to control.

That's what underlies the question asked by this thread--entitlement and control.

I'm done. SC doesn't raise my blood pressure, but this thread most surely did.

rl

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The difference between men and cherries is that the cherries can't talk, but most guys you meet want to tell you what really great and enlightened guys they are. And the harder the sell, the worse they are as to possessing a sense of entitlement and a need to control.



That's why I don't bother with the ones who tell me. I only bother with the ones that show me.

And I have to ask, did you *deliberately* choose the cherry as an analogy?:D:D

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That's what underlies the question asked by this thread--entitlement and control.

I'm done. SC doesn't raise my blood pressure, but this thread most surely did.



I really wish you weren't done. I don't see how "entitlement and control" underly the question, and I'm honestly curious as to why this thread has raised your blood pressure. I could see if there were replies of the sort Krisanne mention, men who state they want women who are pure as the driven snow while personally striving to be as morally corrupt as they possibly can, but I'm not seeing those responses. What are you seeing that's getting your goat?

Blues,
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First, I have much love and respect for RL (I have so much to learn...;):P)

I didn't take the question to be sexist, though.

To each their own...for me, one of my closest friends has had a LOT of previous partners. I have no negative judgement toward her b/c of that, despite my own choice to wait for someone I believe actually cared deeply for me and vice-versa.

Everyone has such different ideas of sex & love and everything in-between. Though I don't think it should matter how much sexual history one has had, it inevitably does to a lot of people, right or wrong. And that's what I took the question to pose...a curiosity in that respect.:P
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I really never looked for short-term relationships with any woman who didn't have some experience after about the age of 22. I've been with some who have shown me a grand time - they knew what the hell they were doing.

With experience comes self-knowledge and external knowledge. The way towards satidfaction is knowing what you like. You've gotta know what you like before you can try to figure out what your partner likes.

The women with experience are self-aware. Because of that, they know how to use a guy to get themselves off. Because of that, they can spend more time and energy getting the guy off, and they have experience to know the different techniques for how to do it.

Women have differences in what they like and do not like. Some women require tenderness - the need to be worked up before the hard contact can begin. Still other women are ready and raring to go right away - dive in and go hard right from the start.

These women who know what they like are more open to communication. The don't get their feelings hurt if you give them some suggestions. Still, they know how to read you better so you don't have to worry about letting them know. They'll get the cues.

As with anything in life, the more experience a person has, the better they will do. However, I don't think I could make myself excited about a woman who has been with 50 guys. There'd be something there just bothering me. Yeah, I'll admit it.


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No way to vote "other". Been married to one woman for almost 25 years now and I'm the only guy she's ever had. As Walter Brennan used to say, "No brag, just fact". That sort of gave her the freedom to find her own sexual expression, and sort of helped me show her what I liked, as she was No. 6 in my "hit parade", as I was human but not a whore. As of yesterday we bumped the score up another notch to twenty thousand and seventy eight or some such bullshit number....

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From what I can gather from most men I have met, I think they would like their woman to have cocksucking 101 in place and only practice on a banana, but some clue of N.G.R. The rest is personal preference. :)
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From what I can gather from most men I have met, I think they would like their woman to have cocksucking 101 in place and only practice on a banana, but some clue of N.G.R. The rest is personal preference. :)



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