love2flyhigh 0 #1 January 3, 2008 Ok I have V3 Micron with a pull out. I would like to fly a wing suit and want to know how to mod my rig so its like a pull out without putting spandex on the rig and poluting the look. I dont plan flying a wing suit most of the time however still want the ability to do so. Thanks for the help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #2 January 3, 2008 You will need a pocket, usually but not always those are spandex. Who cares about "polluting" the look, it's not that bad and it's safe We have a few convertable rigs on my DZ, in fact mine is too, I jump it as a BOC all the time anyway. It's pretty hard to tell it was a pullout rig first. Did you really buy a pullout just because it LOOKS NICE? ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
love2flyhigh 0 #3 January 3, 2008 I wanted it more for the elimintation of the horseshoe, pilot shoe in tow, and pre mature deployment mals. But it does look alot better and its just one more upside. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #4 January 3, 2008 Sidenote: you can still get a pilotchute in tow and horseshoes and premature deployments are also still possible. Less likely? Probably. Elimination, no. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #5 January 3, 2008 When you convert from pullout to BOC, I asssume you have to use a different bridle/PC? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #6 January 3, 2008 QuoteWhen you convert from pullout to BOC, I asssume you have to use a different bridle/PC? Yes. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 January 3, 2008 Your options without adding a BOC pocket are going to be either jump it with the pull out system, or use a suit that has the BASE pocket. If your jump numbers are accurate, I wouldn't worry about it much right now, by the time you're ready, you'll have friends rigs you can borrow or rent.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #8 January 3, 2008 QuoteWhen you convert from pullout to BOC, I asssume you have to use a different bridle/PC? Dave No. On the system I used prior to going all pullout for wingsuits, the handle on the top of my PC was a small pud, and the pull out portion was removable as it was larks headed to the bridle.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
love2flyhigh 0 #9 January 3, 2008 Another side question then. How is it possible to have a pilotchute in tow or a horse shoe mal when the pilotchute is in the container with the Main. if the main comes out the pilot chute has to come out or vice versa. the premature deployment I can understand but the other two seem to be eliminated. You could have a PUD in tow but if that happens at least your not deploying your reserve through something that is large and hanging off your back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #10 January 3, 2008 A pilotchute can not have enough drag (uncollapsed, too large main, ...) to lift the bag out of the container even when the pin is gone already. Happened at our DZ a year or so back. A horseshoe is any connection between you and the parachute besides your 3rings, you can still get the bridle wrapped around your arm or get your leg in the lines etc. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #11 January 3, 2008 QuoteI wanted it more for the elimintation of the horseshoe, pilot shoe in tow, and pre mature deployment mals. But it does look alot better and its just one more upside. I read or heard on a radio show, Bill Booth (maker of your rig) say - that the one thing he wished he could un-invent was a pullout - as it added, in his estimation, more risks than rewards. But, your opinion may vary. I like consistency - so my BASE rigs and Skydiving rigs all match - BOC... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #12 January 3, 2008 QuoteOn the system I used prior to going all pullout for wingsuits, the handle on the top of my PC was a small pud, and the pull out portion was removable as it was larks headed to the bridle. What kind of closing pin did it have? Straight pin is no good for a throwout and a curved pin is no good for a pullout, right? Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #13 January 3, 2008 Right. For the most part the curved pin and the spandex/elastic pouchs have greatly reduced PC's in tow. My DZ owner back in the 80's was not allowing throw out pilot chutes at his DZ. He wanted one reason it was better than a ripcord that was safety related, not looks or ease of packing. I told him that a PC developes 100lbs plus of force right? He agreed. I said there is no way I can generate a 100lbs of pull on a ripcord handle and cable going over my should. He said your right and started letting them on his DZ. This was still before the curved pin when were often using bights of the bridle through elastic loops.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #14 January 3, 2008 The bridle had a curved pin the usual location, and the larks headed pud/grommet/pin had a straight pin.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #15 January 3, 2008 Quote I told him that a PC developes 100lbs plus of force right? He agreed. I said there is no way I can generate a 100lbs of pull on a ripcord handle and cable going over my should. Good argument for throw out reserves (or better yet a pull out reserve).---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #16 January 3, 2008 Quote Quote I told him that a PC developes 100lbs plus of force right? He agreed. I said there is no way I can generate a 100lbs of pull on a ripcord handle and cable going over my should. Good argument for throw out reserves (or better yet a pull out reserve). don't you mean good argument for 5-22lbs pull on the reserve handle ? :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #17 January 3, 2008 Only about a 30 year old idea. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #18 January 3, 2008 Naw, I'd rather be able to "place" my pilot chute in clean air. Ever watched spring loaded P/C's bounce in a burble?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #19 January 3, 2008 Quote Only about a 30 year old idea. I know. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #20 January 4, 2008 There are good reasons that throw-out constitutes 95% of the market and pull-out only 5%. I have made lots of money repacking reserves for skydivers who lost their grip on their pull-out or suffered a floating dildo. For example, I watched one chick have two reserve rides - after suffering hard pulls on pull-outs - in the same day! When was the last time you saw a pull-out on a student? When was the last time you saw a pull-out on a BASE jump? When is the last time you heard a wingsuit instructor reccommend a pull-out? Sorry dude, but the market decided - decades ago - that throw-outs are more reliable than pull-outs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #21 January 4, 2008 For CRW it's good though, and some cameraflyers swear by it too. I however prefer to stick with BOC for all my jumps, safer to not switch all the time and it works fine. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
