eeneR 3 #1 March 27, 2006 Hey gang, I thought I would share this, and hope that a few people may be willing to help out a friend who is doing this fundraiser. I know there are quite a few people here that have personally have had to deal with this. Me being included in that list. I would love to see her surpass her goal! anything can help. Thank you for any help. The Out of the Darkness Overnight is a 20-mile journey through the night, from dusk until dawn. It's a unique opportunity to help shed light on suicide, its impact and its prevention. We're bringing together friends, family members and loved ones whose lives have been touched by suicide or depression, and giving them a way to turn their heartbreak into hope for tomorrow. In 2006, The Overnight will take place in San Francisco on July 22-23, and in Chicago on August 12-13. Each walker agrees to raise at least $1,000. Net proceeds will benefit the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, to fund research, education, survivor and awareness programs - both to prevent suicide and to assist those affected by suicide. Joanna is walking on August 12, 2006 in Chicago, IL. Hello! This year, I'll be taking part in the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention’s Overnight Walk Myself and thousands of other walkers are attempting to raise the funds for the awareness and prevention of suicide. With that, I am asking my friends to help me with this, by funding money towards my goal. All of which is tax deductible, and also will go to help this foundation. I have been waiting to do something for a friend of mine who had taken his life. Not only this, but depression is something that many people have struggled with at some point in their life. Hopefully with this, and your help there can be some ways to help people along so that the consequences of extreme do not have to be taken. We know how important and special life is. Whatever you may do to aid my goal, will be greatly appreciated by me. My thoughts and hopes to, and I look forward to begining this path. Thank you The Overnight Donation pageShe is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #2 March 27, 2006 Great idea, thanks for the info! Edit to add: A great idea, kinda wish they would do something up here in Seattle. Do you know what the most dangerous job in the US is, BTW? Police officer? Firefighter? Telephone lines worker? Rodeo clown? Nope. It's being a dentist in Seattle on a Monday. Highest rate of suicide, no joke: City with highest rate of suicide: Seattle (it is thought that it may be due in part to our dismal weather) Highest rate of suicide profession: Dentist Day of the week with highest rate of suicide: Monday So you see, being a dentist in Seattle on a Monday is the most dangerous job in the US. I'd like to see an organization like what you showed in California up here in Washington. -This info is actually a few years old, so it may be inaccurate, but I found it interesting nonetheless.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #3 March 27, 2006 not true about dentists having the highest suicide rate, actually. oh, and at least one study found that the city with the highest suicide rate is Las Vegas, not Seattle. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #4 March 27, 2006 Eener, I offer hugs for you for having to deal first-hand with this type of situation. ---------------- I understand that king crab fisherman is the most dangerous... I like the idea of suicide being a personal decision without busybody intervention. I support the idea of assisted suicide also. I cannot support this program.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #5 March 27, 2006 please don't get this moved to SC .Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpergirl 0 #6 March 27, 2006 I've never heard of anything like this for suicide. I think it's wonderful and just made a donation. Thanks eeneR for pointing this out to us and supporting your friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eeneR 3 #7 March 27, 2006 QuoteEener, I offer hugs for you for having to deal first-hand with this type of situation. ---------------- I understand that king crab fisherman is the most dangerous... I like the idea of suicide being a personal decision without busybody intervention. I support the idea of assisted suicide also. I cannot support this program. Im going to say this once and only once.... You cannot support helping people who are depressed and really have no reason to commit suicide? you dont support helping people who are going through a rough time. Wow can we say self centered? If it hadnt been for the these help programs .... I WOULD BE DEAD. Yes me...the friend who is doing this is for another friend who didnt have the help..and hung himself. This has nothing to do with busy body intervention, this has to do with funding support for those that want it. Or for those people who are having a hard time dealing with the loss of a loved one. This has nothing to do what so ever with assisted suicide, so back away from that. That is a whole other issue. I do not want this moved to SC...if you have an issue with this go start a thread over there and keep your mouth shut here. I was jus asking for donations. You dont like it, dont donate! She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #8 March 27, 2006 QuoteIf it hadnt been for the these help programs .... I WOULD BE DEAD. Yes me...the friend who is doing this is for another friend who didnt have the help..and hung himself. Wow! You have been through hell and back. I am not good at saying supportive stuff to people as it always comes across as awkward and I am afraid I will just make them feel worse. Nonetheless I am glad you are alive and wish you peace and happiness in your life. Also this is an excellent idea, there is too much unfair stigma associated with suicide and many people who are dead now might have lived if they had felt they could get the neccessary help. Cheers, Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jshatzkin 0 #9 March 27, 2006 One statistic is for sure: There are more suicides in the US each year than there are homicides!Jen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NtheSeaOrSky 0 #10 March 28, 2006 *achooo* -bump- on a more serious note, are there big hills in chicago - cause 20 mile walk is much different than 20 mile hike .Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #11 March 28, 2006 Holy shit you're a fireball aren't you? So quick on the trigger...sad. Glad you are supporting something you believe in...happy for you...good stuff. Others may have different opinions...don't like it? a - ignore it b - have a blood curdling hissy fit.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eeneR 3 #12 March 28, 2006 QuoteHoly shit you're a fireball aren't you? So quick on the trigger...sad. Glad you are supporting something you believe in...happy for you...good stuff. Others may have different opinions...don't like it? a - ignore it b - have a blood curdling hissy fit. Go start shit elsewhere...i was trying to help a friend, and you take it totally out of the original context.She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #13 March 28, 2006 QuoteI do not want this moved to SC...if you have an issue with this go start a thread over there and keep your mouth shut here. I was jus asking for donations. You dont like it, dont donate! That sort of aggressive comment is more likely to get it moved than anything else so farYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #14 March 28, 2006 I think it's a misunderstanding of sorts, Renee. I agree with what popsjumper wrote, except as it concerns people who are in the throes of clinical depression. Someone in that state isn't capable of a rational decision to end their life. I just don't think that he considered the fact that there are countless preventable suicides because those people have no idea where to turn. A friend of mine took his own life in 2004. Based on discussions we had over a period of...well, it was years...I believe he looked at the entirety of his life and simply decided it was time. But I've had a lot more friends than that die by their own hand, and I don't believe that any of those suicides were carefully thought out and considered, but rather, were the result of depression and desperation. So, although it's not much (because I'm a little broke and not yet employed), I'll be making a donation, because no one should have to die afraid and alone. But I do believe that for some people, it's the right choice at a certain point in their lives. When I look at my grandmother, whose brain has been leaking out of her ears for the past 13 years and who is just wearing my mother out caring for her, there's no doubt in my mind that if I start to suffer that kind of memory loss, I'll end it before I'll allow it to end those I care for. Take care. I'm glad you're still here. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #15 March 28, 2006 Geez eener....I said. "Glad you are supporting something you believe in...happy for you...good stuff. " Please let go of the hate....it's not healthy.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eeneR 3 #16 March 28, 2006 QuotePlease let go of the hate....it's not healthy. Not hate...there buddy, just a lack of respect big difference Edited to add...thank you so much for all the people that have helped out She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ExAFO 0 #17 March 28, 2006 QuoteGeez eener....I said. "Glad you are supporting something you believe in...happy for you...good stuff. " Please let go of the hate....it's not healthy. You're old. Probably foul-smelling also. With British teeth.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #18 March 28, 2006 Hey! 1 out of 3 ain't bad! I love your sig line....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #19 March 28, 2006 QuoteHoly shit you're a fireball aren't you? So quick on the trigger...sad. I think I might be quick on the trigger too if I were grateful to be alive after all, and someone were saying to me that I had a perfect right to be dead. I said what I had to say in my response to Renee, but I think you might really want to think about the fact that most suicides do not occur as the result of a rational, considered decision, which is what you stand for. I don't know if you've ever been clinically depressed--I have. I have a medical condition that causes depression, and there have been times when I've come very close to putting an end to it. Not because I wanted to, but because there seemed to be no other choice. I've already said under what conditions it will be a rational, considered choice for me, and those conditions have not yet come to pass. But because of the depression, I came very close to being dead anyway. There is a difference. I know that what you're perceiving is do-gooders who keep people alive in spite of themselves, but that's not what this is about. It's about reaching out to those who are at the end of their rope and just need a little bit of hope and help to survive. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Icon134 0 #20 March 28, 2006 I think this is really cool... I've known people that did it... and anything that can help prevent something like this is a good thing.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymama 37 #21 March 28, 2006 Y'all, let's not debate in this thread any longer, it will definitely get moved. If you don't agree with something written on here, don't post your argument to this thread. Start a thread in SC instead.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #22 March 28, 2006 No debates...just differences of opinion. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #23 March 28, 2006 QuoteI like the idea of suicide being a personal decision without busybody intervention Depression is not a personal choice. Suicide that arises from depression is an desperate act. It is not a logical act. Suicide via depression is far different than assisted suicide, do not confuse the two of being the same. There is treatment for depression and a person can manage their life during and after depression. I know first hand. I made seven attempts. I have a scar on my wrist to remind me. I still deal with severe bouts of depression and I have been seeing a therapist for going on 11 years. For some, the depression never ends. It just goes on and on. There are times when I consider just ending the pain and just be done with it all. But I don't. I have ways to work through the darkness. I wish that I could walk with these people who are so good to care about those who are burdened with a horriable illness that takes so many over the edge. I do support a persons desicion to die peacefully when all options have been depleted when they are in so much pain from AIDS related complication (ARC), cancer, MS or any other fatal illness. I would never support suicide for depression and neither should anyone else. There is always a way to see the light. If anyone who is reading this knows of a person who is depressed, keep a close eye on them. They will thank you later. BIG HUG for Eener"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #24 March 28, 2006 What I support is help for those who need AND want it and freedom to choose otherwise. Simple as that.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RhondaLea 4 #25 March 28, 2006 I have responded to this post (which belongs in SC) in SC. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. 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eeneR 3 #7 March 27, 2006 QuoteEener, I offer hugs for you for having to deal first-hand with this type of situation. ---------------- I understand that king crab fisherman is the most dangerous... I like the idea of suicide being a personal decision without busybody intervention. I support the idea of assisted suicide also. I cannot support this program. Im going to say this once and only once.... You cannot support helping people who are depressed and really have no reason to commit suicide? you dont support helping people who are going through a rough time. Wow can we say self centered? If it hadnt been for the these help programs .... I WOULD BE DEAD. Yes me...the friend who is doing this is for another friend who didnt have the help..and hung himself. This has nothing to do with busy body intervention, this has to do with funding support for those that want it. Or for those people who are having a hard time dealing with the loss of a loved one. This has nothing to do what so ever with assisted suicide, so back away from that. That is a whole other issue. I do not want this moved to SC...if you have an issue with this go start a thread over there and keep your mouth shut here. I was jus asking for donations. You dont like it, dont donate! She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #8 March 27, 2006 QuoteIf it hadnt been for the these help programs .... I WOULD BE DEAD. Yes me...the friend who is doing this is for another friend who didnt have the help..and hung himself. Wow! You have been through hell and back. I am not good at saying supportive stuff to people as it always comes across as awkward and I am afraid I will just make them feel worse. Nonetheless I am glad you are alive and wish you peace and happiness in your life. Also this is an excellent idea, there is too much unfair stigma associated with suicide and many people who are dead now might have lived if they had felt they could get the neccessary help. Cheers, Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshatzkin 0 #9 March 27, 2006 One statistic is for sure: There are more suicides in the US each year than there are homicides!Jen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #10 March 28, 2006 *achooo* -bump- on a more serious note, are there big hills in chicago - cause 20 mile walk is much different than 20 mile hike .Life is not fair and there are no guarantees... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #11 March 28, 2006 Holy shit you're a fireball aren't you? So quick on the trigger...sad. Glad you are supporting something you believe in...happy for you...good stuff. Others may have different opinions...don't like it? a - ignore it b - have a blood curdling hissy fit.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #12 March 28, 2006 QuoteHoly shit you're a fireball aren't you? So quick on the trigger...sad. Glad you are supporting something you believe in...happy for you...good stuff. Others may have different opinions...don't like it? a - ignore it b - have a blood curdling hissy fit. Go start shit elsewhere...i was trying to help a friend, and you take it totally out of the original context.She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #13 March 28, 2006 QuoteI do not want this moved to SC...if you have an issue with this go start a thread over there and keep your mouth shut here. I was jus asking for donations. You dont like it, dont donate! That sort of aggressive comment is more likely to get it moved than anything else so farYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #14 March 28, 2006 I think it's a misunderstanding of sorts, Renee. I agree with what popsjumper wrote, except as it concerns people who are in the throes of clinical depression. Someone in that state isn't capable of a rational decision to end their life. I just don't think that he considered the fact that there are countless preventable suicides because those people have no idea where to turn. A friend of mine took his own life in 2004. Based on discussions we had over a period of...well, it was years...I believe he looked at the entirety of his life and simply decided it was time. But I've had a lot more friends than that die by their own hand, and I don't believe that any of those suicides were carefully thought out and considered, but rather, were the result of depression and desperation. So, although it's not much (because I'm a little broke and not yet employed), I'll be making a donation, because no one should have to die afraid and alone. But I do believe that for some people, it's the right choice at a certain point in their lives. When I look at my grandmother, whose brain has been leaking out of her ears for the past 13 years and who is just wearing my mother out caring for her, there's no doubt in my mind that if I start to suffer that kind of memory loss, I'll end it before I'll allow it to end those I care for. Take care. I'm glad you're still here. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 March 28, 2006 Geez eener....I said. "Glad you are supporting something you believe in...happy for you...good stuff. " Please let go of the hate....it's not healthy.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #16 March 28, 2006 QuotePlease let go of the hate....it's not healthy. Not hate...there buddy, just a lack of respect big difference Edited to add...thank you so much for all the people that have helped out She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #17 March 28, 2006 QuoteGeez eener....I said. "Glad you are supporting something you believe in...happy for you...good stuff. " Please let go of the hate....it's not healthy. You're old. Probably foul-smelling also. With British teeth.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #18 March 28, 2006 Hey! 1 out of 3 ain't bad! I love your sig line....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #19 March 28, 2006 QuoteHoly shit you're a fireball aren't you? So quick on the trigger...sad. I think I might be quick on the trigger too if I were grateful to be alive after all, and someone were saying to me that I had a perfect right to be dead. I said what I had to say in my response to Renee, but I think you might really want to think about the fact that most suicides do not occur as the result of a rational, considered decision, which is what you stand for. I don't know if you've ever been clinically depressed--I have. I have a medical condition that causes depression, and there have been times when I've come very close to putting an end to it. Not because I wanted to, but because there seemed to be no other choice. I've already said under what conditions it will be a rational, considered choice for me, and those conditions have not yet come to pass. But because of the depression, I came very close to being dead anyway. There is a difference. I know that what you're perceiving is do-gooders who keep people alive in spite of themselves, but that's not what this is about. It's about reaching out to those who are at the end of their rope and just need a little bit of hope and help to survive. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #20 March 28, 2006 I think this is really cool... I've known people that did it... and anything that can help prevent something like this is a good thing.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #21 March 28, 2006 Y'all, let's not debate in this thread any longer, it will definitely get moved. If you don't agree with something written on here, don't post your argument to this thread. Start a thread in SC instead.She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #22 March 28, 2006 No debates...just differences of opinion. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #23 March 28, 2006 QuoteI like the idea of suicide being a personal decision without busybody intervention Depression is not a personal choice. Suicide that arises from depression is an desperate act. It is not a logical act. Suicide via depression is far different than assisted suicide, do not confuse the two of being the same. There is treatment for depression and a person can manage their life during and after depression. I know first hand. I made seven attempts. I have a scar on my wrist to remind me. I still deal with severe bouts of depression and I have been seeing a therapist for going on 11 years. For some, the depression never ends. It just goes on and on. There are times when I consider just ending the pain and just be done with it all. But I don't. I have ways to work through the darkness. I wish that I could walk with these people who are so good to care about those who are burdened with a horriable illness that takes so many over the edge. I do support a persons desicion to die peacefully when all options have been depleted when they are in so much pain from AIDS related complication (ARC), cancer, MS or any other fatal illness. I would never support suicide for depression and neither should anyone else. There is always a way to see the light. If anyone who is reading this knows of a person who is depressed, keep a close eye on them. They will thank you later. BIG HUG for Eener"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #24 March 28, 2006 What I support is help for those who need AND want it and freedom to choose otherwise. Simple as that.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #25 March 28, 2006 I have responded to this post (which belongs in SC) in SC. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
