tntsawers 0 #1 December 9, 2007 Im in the market for my first rig. Im looking at a javelin spectare 170 or 190 . I am 5'10 and weigh 12 Stone. I have jumped a 190 saffire about 5 times and landed it hard once . I have about 100 jumps and just looking for some advice from any one who has been im this situation. I have heard that the spectare 170 with its seven cells will be very much like the saffire 190 , can any one clear this up for me please Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #2 December 9, 2007 You have actually heard wrong mate. A Sabre and Sabre 2 have 9 cells and is in the same class as the Safire and safire 2, though there is a difference in the sabre and safire. The safire i much prefer. My suggestion firstly is talk to the instructor on your dz. My second opinion as a distributor is 'look' at buying the 170, especially if you are buying brand new, meanwhile during the making of the gear get as many jumps in as possible on a 190, before you go to the 190 get in at least another 30-50 jumps on the 190. For your weight, a 170 will be a nice canopy, if you are looking for a 7cell, then try the Icarus Omega or the Aerodyne Triathalon. Just remember 2 main points- Speak to your instructor and your local distributor if they are an AFF instructor as most seem to be. Secondly, A sabre is not a 7 cell canopy. If you would like a demo canopy of a Triathalon 7 cell or a Pilot 9 cell and there is not one in your local area, send me a PM and I will get one sent out to you. I am sure if you also bought new that it could be arranged for you to borrow a 190 to get jumps on while you are waiting for your 170 to be made... Speak to your local distibutor. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tntsawers 0 #3 December 9, 2007 Hi there looked at your site seems seems good. I got it wrong when i typed up my dilema with the new rig . Its not a sabre im looking at its a spectare , dont know why i had sabre on the brain. Any advice on the spectare Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #4 December 9, 2007 Sorry mate, I have never jumped one so am not in a position to comment on the canopy. Alot of people here have. Try doing a search and you will find alot on it. Usually a 7cell is more dosile than the 9 cells so i imagine it will not be like jumping a 190 9 cell but will have the flight charctaristics of a larger canopy, For example, turns will be slower and reactions to toggle input not as quick. Personally, I think you should demo a 9 cell and a 7 cell so you knwo what your options are. It sounds like you have just downsized from a 240/210 or something to only have 5 jumps on a 190. Dont be in a hurry to downsize again, Go and do another 30 odd jumps on the 190 so you can get yourself familiar with flying ZP canopies. Once you are on a 170 everything gets a bit faster so get familiar with the 9 cell 190 before downsizing. Try and find a good 190 to jump though, not some old one that does not flare and just dumps you in everytime. My friend nearly gave up skydiving because of his 190 until i got him on a newer one and he realised that he could land after all. Also make sure the brake lines are the right length for you. Seriously, Go and speak open and honest to an instructor at your dz and ask them to watch you land before you make any purchases. .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #5 December 9, 2007 Spectres make very good first canopies but try one first (or a triathlon) to see if you like 7cell canopies, you may like 9cells like the safire better, or not. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tntsawers 0 #6 December 10, 2007 cheers , what are the flight characteristics does te saffire have then? Wht are the differences between 7 and 9 cell canopys of the same size ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #7 December 10, 2007 Try a search about 7cell vs 9cell canopies ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #8 December 10, 2007 Before you buy a canopy fly an appropriately sized Triathlon. I tried lots before I bought my Tri and I have had no regrets later. There are other very good canopies, but for me the Tri had the best combination of virtues, especially its rock stable flying in turbulent conditions and its ability to fly a steep approach in nearly full brakes without stalling. Fly before you buy regardless of what you read. There is no substitute for a test flight.2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladydyver 0 #9 December 10, 2007 QuoteSpectres make very good first canopies but try one first (or a triathlon) to see if you like 7cell canopies, you may like 9cells like the safire better, or not. I think that this is a very valid point. I had always been trained on a 9 cell canopy and then got a 7 cell (spectre as a matter of fact)......after 90 jumps still had trouble landing it, switched to the same size canopy that is a 9 cell (a Pilot) and have not had any problems landing it. Was it all in my head? Very well could have been, but it is nice to land to land on two feet instead of doing a plf on 75% of my jumps.DPH # 2 "I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~ I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
