RhondaLea 4 #26 April 10, 2006 QuoteI think the world would be a better place. I find too much self esteem to be very unattractive, and there is a whole lot of that going around. You're not talking about "too much self-esteem" but about narcissism. There is no shortage of male narcissists, and a narcissist of either sex is a blight on humanity. But sometimes, women put up a protective facade. Either it's because they get hit on too much or because they're so incredibly beautiful, most guys are afraid to even talk to them. There are far more of the former than the latter, and if men had any idea of what it's like to ALWAYS be treated like a piece of meat, maybe they would stop, and some of that protective coloration would fade away. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #27 April 10, 2006 Quote But I usually just fall back on my personality anyway. Well, I don't know what you look like, but your personality definitely rocks!!!!Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #28 April 10, 2006 QuoteI still want to know what set you off on this topic. Just a lot of unwanted thinking about how much it is going to suck when my marriage will be officially/legally in the dumpster. I can't touch her heart anymore and it really hurts.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #29 April 10, 2006 QuoteDude, what's up? Aren't you still "married with kids" like me? At least you and I each found one beautiful woman to give us the time of day. Only for a little while longer. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #30 April 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteI still want to know what set you off on this topic. Just a lot of unwanted thinking about how much it is going to suck when my marriage will be officially/legally in the dumpster. I can't touch her heart anymore and it really hurts. That really sucks and I feel for you. Sorry to hear you are going through that. I wish I had some words of wisdom that would help you heal but there probably just aren't any. It just takes a lot of very painful time to get through it. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenz 0 #31 April 10, 2006 i am so sorry to hear about your troubles - if its any comfort - know that you have a support system here if you need anything - things are rough i'm sure but eventually they WILL get better - it may not be for a long while, but they will... my thoughts and prayers are with you"life does throw curveballs sometimes but it doesn't mean we shouldn't still swing for the homerun" ~ me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #32 April 10, 2006 Sadly, I have nothing to say. Krisanne and RL said everything for me Cliff, sorry to hear about your marriage.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #33 April 10, 2006 QuoteBut sometimes, women put up a protective facade. Either it's because they get hit on too much or because they're so incredibly beautiful, most guys are afraid to even talk to them. There are far more of the former than the latter, and if men had any idea of what it's like to ALWAYS be treated like a piece of meat, maybe they would stop, and some of that protective coloration would fade away. I agree with your first point... most of the women I know spend more time insecure then "narcissistic" but the more I see and the longer I go through life... the more I believe that at some level men are required to treat women as something to be conqured if they ever expect to get anywhere with them... (I refuse to do that... so... yeah...) I had some interesting conversations this weekend that pertain to this idea...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #34 April 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteI think the world would be a better place. I find too much self esteem to be very unattractive, and there is a whole lot of that going around. You're not talking about "too much self-esteem" but about narcissism. There is no shortage of male narcissists, and a narcissist of either sex is a blight on humanity. But sometimes, women put up a protective facade. Either it's because they get hit on too much or because they're so incredibly beautiful, most guys are afraid to even talk to them. There are far more of the former than the latter, and if men had any idea of what it's like to ALWAYS be treated like a piece of meat, maybe they would stop, and some of that protective coloration would fade away. rl You've hit the nail right on the head. If guys would realize that hot women are constantly hit on by the worst lines, and constantly offered dinners, gifts, money, for dates, they would realize that the reason these women are being mean is so they can be left alone. Start treating them like regular people and not hot pieces of meat and they turn out to be much much nicer ... But, as you said, it's not an issue easily dealt with. It has to do with base level attraction and how we've been conditioned to act.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #35 April 10, 2006 QuoteIt's a wonder that the women who do manage to appreciate themselves for what and who they are manage to do so in the face of such constant messaging. Some of us know that we're not the most beautiful creatures to walk the earth, by society's standards, and we're OK with that! So I'll never be a Bond Girl.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #36 April 10, 2006 We love Kitty just the way she is. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #37 April 10, 2006 QuoteWe love Kitty just the way she is. . Damn straight! She was one of the nicest people I met at Dublin and was an absolute sweetheart. Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #38 April 10, 2006 QuoteStart treating them like regular people and not hot pieces of meat and they turn out to be much much nicer ... I treat women like "regular people" I the only "good" thing I've gotten from it is a bunch of women that really like me but not "that way" oh, forget it... I'm not going to win... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #39 April 10, 2006 QuoteSome of us know that we're not the most beautiful creatures to walk the earth, by society's standards, and we're OK with that! So I'll never be a Bond Girl.. I've only seen your picture, but I figured you for one of those women who gets hit on all the time. (I never thought that most of the Bond girls were all that beautiful. Exotic,yes, very, but not beautiful.) rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #40 April 10, 2006 QuoteYou're not talking about "too much self-esteem" but about narcissism. There is no shortage of male narcissists, and a narcissist of either sex is a blight on humanity. Personally, I've found that probably every narcissist I've come across is putting on a facade to ensure that other people do not see them the way they see themselves. Most narcissists seem to have horrible self-image problems that they don't want others to know about. QuoteBut sometimes, women put up a protective facade. Either it's because they get hit on too much or because they're so incredibly beautiful, most guys are afraid to even talk to them. That's part of it. But, in all honesty, women are FAR worse to women than guys. They are very often catty and cruel to each other. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #41 April 10, 2006 I find it annoying when people are attention whores. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #42 April 10, 2006 QuoteI find it annoying when people are attention whores. Hey... everybody... Look at me!!! (jumps up and down...) Look At Me!!! Sorry, couldn't resist... Quote Most narcissists seem to have horrible self-image problems that they don't want others to know about. I have a poor self image of myself... but I'm not a narcissist... I merely have low self-esteem. Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #43 April 10, 2006 QuotePersonally, I've found that probably every narcissist I've come across is putting on a facade to ensure that other people do not see them the way they see themselves. Most narcissists seem to have horrible self-image problems that they don't want others to know about. You already know this, but for those who don't: The DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder are: A. A pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, lack of empathy, as indicated by at least five of: 1. a grandiose sense of self-importance 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love 3. believes that he or she is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) 4. requires excessive admiration 5. has a sense of entitlement, ie unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations 6. is interpersonally exploitative, ie takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends 7. lacks empathy and is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others 8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes And beneath it all is a bottomless pit of insecurity and uncertainty, which is why the above traits represent what is known as the "false self." What most people don't understand when they read the above is that it describes normal human behavior. We all exhibit these traits at times. The problem arises when these traits become (as stated above, but often missed) pervasive pattern of behavior. QuoteThat's part of it. But, in all honesty, women are FAR worse to women than guys. They are very often catty and cruel to each other. Apart from the normal bitchiness that occasionally erupts in both sexes relatively equally, most ugly and manipulative behavior emanates from those who are personality disordered. It manifests differently in each sex, but it still has the same roots. We're surrounded. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #44 April 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's a wonder that the women who do manage to appreciate themselves for what and who they are manage to do so in the face of such constant messaging. Some of us know that we're not the most beautiful creatures to walk the earth, by society's standards, and we're OK with that! So I'll never be a Bond Girl.. Damn straight, girlfriend. You were one of the people I was thinking of who really appreciates who she is and that gives you both surface beauty *and* inner beauty. But you're definitely smart enough to be a Bond girl.. wasn't Denise Richards supposed to be a nuclear physicist or something? "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
460 0 #45 April 10, 2006 A joke I heard years ago: "What do BASE jumpers use for birth control? Their personalities..." Looks like a death sandwich without the bread - Steve Deadman Morrell, BASE 174 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #46 April 10, 2006 QuoteA joke I heard years ago: "What do BASE jumpers use for birth control? Their personalities..." Now that's FREAKIN hilarious! ( and true in some cases) Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaoskitty 0 #47 April 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's a wonder that the women who do manage to appreciate themselves for what and who they are manage to do so in the face of such constant messaging. Some of us know that we're not the most beautiful creatures to walk the earth, by society's standards, and we're OK with that! So I'll never be a Bond Girl.. Damn straight, girlfriend. You were one of the people I was thinking of who really appreciates who she is and that gives you both surface beauty *and* inner beauty. But you're definitely smart enough to be a Bond girl.. wasn't Denise Richards supposed to be a nuclear physicist or something? Heheh.. thanks girl! Thats a very sweet thing to say! You're a pretty smart, sexy, cool chick yourself! I hope Sundevil realizes theres more out there too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS 0 #48 April 10, 2006 Question is...what if ugly women didn't know they were ugly... Oh, wait a second...that IS how it is. _____________ I'm not conceited...I'm just realistic about my awesomeness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydemon2 0 #49 April 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's a wonder that the women who do manage to appreciate themselves for what and who they are manage to do so in the face of such constant messaging. Some of us know that we're not the most beautiful creatures to walk the earth, by society's standards, and we're OK with that! So I'll never be a Bond Girl.. Maybe you can be a Bond villian girl: ck: well Mr Bond it seems you have foiled my plan again jb: yes your plan to crush New York with your titties would have succeeded if it werent for one thing ck: what was it Mr. Bond tell me where I failed jb: Well you were given away by the fact that we could see them coming from 3 states away!! ck: ooh drats foiled again by James Bond and his keen eye for titties....Damn if only I didnt know I was so beautiful I thought everyone would love getting crushed by my titties...... next time Ill just use a bomb and there will be no stopping me.. (evil gurl laugh) HA HA HA HA HA Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone! I like to start my day off with a little Ray of Soulshine™!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #50 April 11, 2006 Quote I hope Sundevil realizes theres more out there too. Buy a dog!!!!! Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
