J_Cook 0 #51 May 4, 2006 QuoteFind another independent source to support your arguements. http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Acetone_as_a_Fuel_Additive http://www.hybridcars.com/discussion/discussthread.php?thread_id=475&replies=23 http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44575 Or just Google it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #52 May 5, 2006 QuoteThere is, however, a proven way to get a 40% increase in fuel economy: Fill half your tank with gas, and half with E85, an ethanol based fuel. You'll use half the gasoline to go the same distance. Most cars will have no problem burning a 50/50 mixture; cars are already certified to burn a 10% mixture for pollution reduction. The other nice thing? At least around here, E85 is 50 cents cheaper than gasoline. fuck it should be $1.50 a gallon due to the surplus of crops produced in this country and all the other organic substances that can be turned into ethanol is it just me or does anyone else think the cost of ethanol is wayyyyyy out of line? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #53 May 5, 2006 I am going to test acetone in three vehicles 1. 1990 Geo Prism 2. 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee 318cid v8 3. 1992 Suzuki GSXR1100N Yosh kit I know there is acetone in the fuel injector cleaner I use in my bike, and that has alwys kept my carbs perfect and seems to add power. I have always used an entire bottle to six gallons of 93 octane fuel instead of the recommended 20 gallons. The fuel injector cleaner trick is what my brother, who is an truly amazing mechanic with huge credentials told me to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jumpah 0 #54 May 5, 2006 QuoteThere is, however, a proven way to get a 40% increase in fuel economy: Fill half your tank with gas, and half with E85, an ethanol based fuel. You'll use half the gasoline to go the same distance. Most cars will have no problem burning a 50/50 mixture; cars are already certified to burn a 10% mixture for pollution reduction. The other nice thing? At least around here, E85 is 50 cents cheaper than gasoline. My vehicle requires premium...any idea if that makes a difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #55 May 16, 2006 I just did the acetone thing and here is the data: 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2L AWD drove from Elgin to Union City, TN. and back on the trip down I got 18.3mpg @75mph the trip was during a storm and the headwinds were @35-45mph for nearly 80% of the trip. on the way back I got the same mileage as before with only 25mph winds with gusts from around 225 degrees Azimuth, and had a large 5 drawer file cabinet on the back hitch basket acting as a drogue, and you could feel it. I am sure I got better mileage than I would have before but due to weather had some mileage killing winds to overcome. I did notice my Jeep ran very smooth and seems to have a less prounounced exhaust smell. I will be conducting more tests. The amount of Acetone I used was 5 ounces in 22gallons. I have a friend who is trying this and his Durango(245k miles on it) has now stopped idling rough and has better power, previously he was facing a fuel injector job at the dealer, and now seems like it is unneccessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites simplyputsi 0 #56 May 16, 2006 what do you usually get for gas mileage??Skymama's #2 stalker - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 102 #57 May 16, 2006 QuoteMy vehicle requires premium...any idea if that makes a difference? The owners manual of some vehicles will say that premium is required, but that 'requirement' is so that the engine produces the power claimed by the mfg. If regular gas is used, the car will automatically retard the timing (newer cars have sensors to detect sound) to prevent preignition, with slightly reduced power being the only problem. Unfortunately, a lot of people care that the car they choose to buy makes a few more ponies than the competition, so the 'required' use of premium is a way of getting more power out of the same engine because it allows more spark timing advance/higher compression with same advance. This is more likely for expensive/luxury cars, where the mfg judges that owners won't care about more expensive fuel. If the mfg says the car makes XXX horsepower, and premium is needed to achieve it, then your manual will say premium is required, but might have wording to 'allow' you to use regular in an emergency if premium is not available. That is as close as they will come to admitting it is not really needed. What I've said does not apply for older cars, without knock/preignition sensors. Some will say (including oil/gas companies) that their premium fuel is an advantage because of extra additives in that fuel. This is a separate issue/argument, but not the reason why a mfg would require premium fuel. I was a design engineer for Honda/Acura for 10 years. I didn't work in the engine group, but have discussed this with the guys there. I think the same is likely for other manufacturers, perhaps others will confirm.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,118 #58 May 16, 2006 >My vehicle requires premium...any idea if that makes a difference? Yep. E85 is about 100-105 octane, so if you do a mixture of regular unleaded and E85, you end up with a higher overall octane than regular. A 50/50 mix of regular unleaded and E85 will give you an octane of around 93. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #59 May 16, 2006 Quote>My vehicle requires premium...any idea if that makes a difference? Yep. E85 is about 100-105 octane, so if you do a mixture of regular unleaded and E85, you end up with a higher overall octane than regular. A 50/50 mix of regular unleaded and E85 will give you an octane of around 93. Where do I find that here. Do I have to go to Ebay?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #60 May 16, 2006 In related news, last Wednesday's Mythbusters tried out acetone among other super solutions and found a 4% decrease in mileage. The only substitute of value was used french fry oil (biodiesel). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #61 May 16, 2006 Nevrmind I found it. but this is what map quest told me was the quickest way . . . Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 9 minutes Total Est. Distance: 119.46 milesI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #62 May 16, 2006 Quote I just did the acetone thing and here is the data... I got the same mileage as before. The "Mythbusters" guys on TV tested various gas-saving schemes, and the acetone additive was one of them. All the theories were "busted" and proven not to help mileage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Jumpah 0 #54 May 5, 2006 QuoteThere is, however, a proven way to get a 40% increase in fuel economy: Fill half your tank with gas, and half with E85, an ethanol based fuel. You'll use half the gasoline to go the same distance. Most cars will have no problem burning a 50/50 mixture; cars are already certified to burn a 10% mixture for pollution reduction. The other nice thing? At least around here, E85 is 50 cents cheaper than gasoline. My vehicle requires premium...any idea if that makes a difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #55 May 16, 2006 I just did the acetone thing and here is the data: 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2L AWD drove from Elgin to Union City, TN. and back on the trip down I got 18.3mpg @75mph the trip was during a storm and the headwinds were @35-45mph for nearly 80% of the trip. on the way back I got the same mileage as before with only 25mph winds with gusts from around 225 degrees Azimuth, and had a large 5 drawer file cabinet on the back hitch basket acting as a drogue, and you could feel it. I am sure I got better mileage than I would have before but due to weather had some mileage killing winds to overcome. I did notice my Jeep ran very smooth and seems to have a less prounounced exhaust smell. I will be conducting more tests. The amount of Acetone I used was 5 ounces in 22gallons. I have a friend who is trying this and his Durango(245k miles on it) has now stopped idling rough and has better power, previously he was facing a fuel injector job at the dealer, and now seems like it is unneccessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
simplyputsi 0 #56 May 16, 2006 what do you usually get for gas mileage??Skymama's #2 stalker - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #57 May 16, 2006 QuoteMy vehicle requires premium...any idea if that makes a difference? The owners manual of some vehicles will say that premium is required, but that 'requirement' is so that the engine produces the power claimed by the mfg. If regular gas is used, the car will automatically retard the timing (newer cars have sensors to detect sound) to prevent preignition, with slightly reduced power being the only problem. Unfortunately, a lot of people care that the car they choose to buy makes a few more ponies than the competition, so the 'required' use of premium is a way of getting more power out of the same engine because it allows more spark timing advance/higher compression with same advance. This is more likely for expensive/luxury cars, where the mfg judges that owners won't care about more expensive fuel. If the mfg says the car makes XXX horsepower, and premium is needed to achieve it, then your manual will say premium is required, but might have wording to 'allow' you to use regular in an emergency if premium is not available. That is as close as they will come to admitting it is not really needed. What I've said does not apply for older cars, without knock/preignition sensors. Some will say (including oil/gas companies) that their premium fuel is an advantage because of extra additives in that fuel. This is a separate issue/argument, but not the reason why a mfg would require premium fuel. I was a design engineer for Honda/Acura for 10 years. I didn't work in the engine group, but have discussed this with the guys there. I think the same is likely for other manufacturers, perhaps others will confirm.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #58 May 16, 2006 >My vehicle requires premium...any idea if that makes a difference? Yep. E85 is about 100-105 octane, so if you do a mixture of regular unleaded and E85, you end up with a higher overall octane than regular. A 50/50 mix of regular unleaded and E85 will give you an octane of around 93. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 May 16, 2006 Quote>My vehicle requires premium...any idea if that makes a difference? Yep. E85 is about 100-105 octane, so if you do a mixture of regular unleaded and E85, you end up with a higher overall octane than regular. A 50/50 mix of regular unleaded and E85 will give you an octane of around 93. Where do I find that here. Do I have to go to Ebay?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #60 May 16, 2006 In related news, last Wednesday's Mythbusters tried out acetone among other super solutions and found a 4% decrease in mileage. The only substitute of value was used french fry oil (biodiesel). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #61 May 16, 2006 Nevrmind I found it. but this is what map quest told me was the quickest way . . . Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 9 minutes Total Est. Distance: 119.46 milesI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #62 May 16, 2006 Quote I just did the acetone thing and here is the data... I got the same mileage as before. The "Mythbusters" guys on TV tested various gas-saving schemes, and the acetone additive was one of them. All the theories were "busted" and proven not to help mileage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
