virgin-burner 1 #1 October 6, 2007 i need your advice in this. i could get a rig for pretty a good price, with a 2006 cypress2 in it, a pd reserve thats probably 1997, 0 rides, a sabre1 with about 600 jumps, but its got a new lineset with about 20 jumps on it. my rigger said it wasnt a bad deal at all. i think that the reserve and cypress are already worth more if bought new. the container is a javelin also 1997. a real workhorse. might need a modification on the mainflap to make it a bit more freeflyable, but could probably keep up for another hundred or more jumps, if threated correctly. also the bridle doesnt have a cover. now the lines are pretty long on that canopy, there's a chance of getting stuck around there and cause very unpleasant opening, or even provoce baglocks and the like. now,, i'm pretty much of a slut when it comes to packing. my instructor said, canopies have an urge to open. now, its all different when it comes to the sabre1. which has a reputation of its own. i'm a bit worried. the guy showed me how to pack it, and he's done it very carefully, if i can handle that. well, the canopy will probably teach me to do it right, but yeah, i'm a bit worried, about canopy for one, and container for the second. still, its pretty a good deal! what do you guys say? my mate told me to shop further around, or get another canopy..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilchief 1 #2 October 6, 2007 first; at what price? I'd say get it, but get a different canopy. I don't like SA1 because of less performance on the wing, and hard openings(which is good if you want to get into BASE, but thats completly different) 2 cents comming at you "Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #3 October 6, 2007 price is around 2'200.- euros. i'm thinking of getting into BASE at some stage, but give it a tad more time.. but whats that got to do with a sabre1!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #4 October 6, 2007 Quotenow the lines are pretty long on that canopy, there's a chance of getting stuck around there and cause very unpleasant opening, or even provoce baglocks and the like. Huh? Put a pocket slider on the Sabre and it'll open just fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #5 October 6, 2007 QuoteQuotenow the lines are pretty long on that canopy, there's a chance of getting stuck around there and cause very unpleasant opening, or even provoce baglocks and the like. Huh? Put a pocket slider on the Sabre and it'll open just fine. the mainflap could open up in freefall, and the lines could get stuck around that then.. the balance i'm currently jumping seems to have shorter lines, at least there isnt that much "slack" between the lines rolled up on the pod compared to the other one. it might pack shorter because of the thicker lines. so, i'm worried about a.) bad openings, b.) the mainflap that could cause a malfunction. or so?“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #6 October 6, 2007 Quotethe mainflap could open up in freefall, and the lines could get stuck around that then.. How are the lines going to get out of the container if the top main flap opens in freefall? The only scenario I can think of where that might happen is if the pin comes out. If the pin doesn't come out, won't the lines remain in the container? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #7 October 6, 2007 Quote Quote the mainflap could open up in freefall, and the lines could get stuck around that then.. How are the lines going to get out of the container if the top main flap opens in freefall? The only scenario I can think of where that might happen is if the pin comes out. If the pin doesn't come out, won't the lines remain in the container? what happens when i pull the throw out when the mainflap is open? i think the point of this manouvre is supposed to get the pin out! of course there's still plan b, but its not as i'm eager to go for that to hope that work every jump i make.. or i just get that modification as quickly as possible..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #8 October 7, 2007 Quotewhat happens when i pull the throw out when the mainflap is open? The same thing that happens when you pull the throw out when the main flap is not open. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #9 October 7, 2007 Quote Quote what happens when i pull the throw out when the mainflap is open? The same thing that happens when you pull the throw out when the main flap is not open. i really think we do not understand what each of us is talking about. or i'm to ignorant to see that there's no problem. as the rolled up lines seem to leave a lot of slack that is rolled up in the container, that there's a chance of them getting caught in an open mainflap. or maincover. the thing that's there to protect pin and bridle. causing a real bad opening (what sabre1 are to be known for, bad openings that is), in best, or a malfunction in worst case.. this is somehow difficult to explain..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #10 October 7, 2007 Quoteas the rolled up lines seem to leave a lot of slack that is rolled up in the container, that there's a chance of them getting caught in an open mainflap. or maincover. the thing that's there to protect pin and bridle. I must be confused. The length of the lines left unstowed ("rolled up in the container") is totally within your control. Think there's too much? Add a rubber band to the d-bag and make another stow. Doesn't matter what kind of canopy the lines are attached to. The lines attached to ANY canopy "could" get caught on a flap on ANY container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #11 October 7, 2007 go fr it. If Karsten says it's OK, then go. Sabre1's are good canopies. Not the most modern, but still a shitload of horsepower in them "if you need". Had a 150 myself between 60 and 250 jumps and loved it. Virile openings, but never brutal. 3500.- chf max scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #12 October 7, 2007 Agreed. An original Sabre was my original canopy, and I enjoyed the hell out of that thing. They fly great! Openings weren't bad at all. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morrison79 0 #13 October 7, 2007 I just bought a sabre 1 and it whacked the shit out of me a few times, but it was because I was a really sloppy packer. A few tips from some people at the drop zone and it opens much softer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #14 October 7, 2007 if the price is 2200 euros thats a effing rip of and I would not get a javelin and would sure as hell not get a sabre 1, do some more shopping. Stick to vector 3's, voodoos, mirages, infinity, and wings. You can find a way way better deal elswhere.don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #15 October 7, 2007 Quote go fr it. If Karsten says it's OK, then go. Sabre1's are good canopies. Not the most modern, but still a shitload of horsepower in them "if you need". Had a 150 myself between 60 and 250 jumps and loved it. Virile openings, but never brutal. 3500.- chf max thats the price the guy wants. already the cypress is almost worth 1'800.-. the reserve, well, its old but was never used, so its at least worth some. i could still jump it for a year or two, then get a new one and transfer the cypress, and/or the reserve as well. karsten maintained it for almost the whole time. Quote if the price is 2200 euros thats a effing rip of and I would not get a javelin and would sure as hell not get a sabre 1, do some more shopping. Stick to vector 3's, voodoos, mirages, infinity, and wings. You can find a way way better deal elswhere. the market around here isnt really that huge. and i would really like to testjump a rig before i'd buy it. so, somehow the classifieds on dz.com is not really an option.“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LloydDobbler 2 #16 October 7, 2007 Just wanted to second what a lot of people are saying. I have low jump numbers, so take it for what it's worth, but I jumped a Sabre1 loaned to me by a friend for a good 50 jumps, and found it opened well (& on-heading), was pretty zippy, and even got me a little extra glide after I had planed out on landing. I always heard stories of horrific openings on the SA1, but it never happened to me. Which isn't to say it couldn't happen to you, or that it didn't happen only because I was loading it at less than 1:1...but I know a couple of people who fly 'em regularly and haven't had a problem, pocket slider or not. I can't advise you any further, as I haven't been around long enough to give qualified advice...but I *can* at least share my experience with it, which (although limited) certainly wasn't bad.Signatures are the new black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #17 October 7, 2007 i'm just a little bit terrified by its reputation.. i'll jump it today and check it out.. wish me luck! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #18 October 7, 2007 Quoteif the price is 2200 euros thats a effing rip of and I would not get a javelin and would sure as hell not get a sabre 1, do some more shopping. Stick to vector 3's, voodoos, mirages, infinity, and wings. You can find a way way better deal elswhere. Rip off? Based on what, USA prices? It actually sounds like a good deal to me. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilchief 1 #19 October 7, 2007 I wouldn't call it a rip-off. But I wouldn't recomend a Sabre these days. There are better canopies out there at the same price. The base comment was me just being sarcastic. =) But do you know what size of canopies the container is seized for? If it's made for one size less then what's in it know, i'd say it's good deal. cause then you may downsize twio sizes if you want to. and normally people tend to downsize the first time 2 sizes the first time."Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci www.lilchief.no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #20 October 7, 2007 Quotealready the cypress is almost worth 1'800.- That, in Euros, is almos TWICE what a brand new Cyrpes retails for.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #21 October 7, 2007 Seriously... With the dollar in the shitter right now, you Europeans should really look into getting used gear from the states, or even new gear!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #22 October 7, 2007 I got a 2004 vector 3, 04 pd reserve 01 cypess all for 2000 dollars in the year 2005. Added a viper canopy for $500 with less than 300 jumps on it and was set. I am telling you that you can find these deals on dz.com, and the getting out of the sport sales that you see you can get even better deals. I am telling you to look around, do not get in a rush. Cypress 2's are going for 1295 new form aerostore so I don't know where you got 1800 for a cypress 2 that is almost 2 years old now. You can more than likely demo from someone you must just have them ship it to your rigger (because they would know where to find your rigger if something went wrong) unless you are a huge guy or something I can't see why you could not find something that will fit you on dz.com that should really be the only limiting factor. I have bought and sold many items on this site with absolutely no problems. I have owned an 03 javelin that had all the bells and whistles and the main flap was open on almost every sit fly that I did, and yes the main was the right size. I did not like it at all, it was pretty but that is about it.don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #23 October 7, 2007 yes by USA prices, why not get better gear for a cheaper price from USA. I know I would if I lived in Europe.don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #24 October 7, 2007 i know i could get cheap gear from the states, even brand new, you get jav's fully equipped for four grand.. the prices i stated to the reply of fish was in swiss francs, but even then, its more expensive as from the US.. also, shipping the equipment would be quite expensive. what if you dont like the gear? how will customs treat it in case of sending back and forth? that could become some quite expensive adventure.. getting a rigger in the US and here will become will be quite difficult.. except for when you are one.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #25 October 7, 2007 midsunderstanding Because you had put euros down. Another way to get a good deal is to piece a system together maybe container reserve, and then add main and cypress all used of course. Once again I think that you could find a better deal than that one. Plus I really did not like my experience with javelinsdon't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
