guppie01 0 #26 May 24, 2006 QuoteOh shush, you know he leaves his underwear and socks and wet towels all over the place. Don't taint my fantasy dammit!!! g"Let's do something romantic this Saturday... how bout we bust out the restraints?" Raddest Ho this side of Jersey #1 - MISS YOU OMG, is she okay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,560 #27 May 24, 2006 QuoteWomen tend to be more detail-oriented.I think that one is just that women tend to pay attention to different details, so men notice those. I think most men are more detail-oriented. Other than that, the physical differences are real. From very young, boys tend to play in a more rough-and-tumble way, and girls tend to play more games that involve social activities -- dolls, house, whatever. That seems pretty innate from the research. Obviously there's lots of overlap, but there are differences. Men seem to be more straightforward, women seem to be more willing/able to deal with nuances, and both of them want the other gender to be just like them in that aspect . They wield power differently; men just accept that they have power, women tend to use it more deliberately. BTW -- these are all generalizations. Please insert a "most" or "many" in front of all instances of "men" or "women" in the above paragraphs, and the occasional "in my opinion" nearly anywhere. Particularly if you're getting pissed about it. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #28 May 24, 2006 QuoteBTW -- these are all generalizations. Please insert a "most" or "many" in front of all instances of "men" or "women" in the above paragraphs, and the occasional "in my opinion" nearly anywhere. Particularly if you're getting pissed about it. Wendy W. C'mon Wendy, you're trying to take the fun out of it! Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #29 May 24, 2006 Actually I think this: Quote (LivenDive) I'm devastated. Answers this Quote (ifall) And you can base this by comparison? And I stand by my original observation!! Women = Much Prettier and more fun to Snuggle with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #30 May 24, 2006 Quote"sex is biologically determined, but gender is socialy conditioned and determined" There's a little boy I'd like you to meet sometime. He's 21 months old, and from the moment he was born, he was about two things: 1) The boob; and 2) his peepee/nuts. He has always loved cars, hates stuffed animals, etc. It was nothing we taught him - he always was disinterested in the stuffed animals, dolls, etc. But he loves cars, blocks, and being manhandled by me, being tossed into the air, etc. - things like that - the stuff that is stereotypically associated with "boys." My wife and I used to believe your quote. Our personal experience blew that all to hell. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #31 May 24, 2006 There's a little boy I'd like you to meet sometime. He's 21 months old, and from the moment he was born, he was about two things: 1) The boob; and 2) his peepee/nuts. *** I see a '40 plus' year old in the mirror every morning who that description fits to a TEEEE! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #32 May 24, 2006 Women are MUCH better care-givers, to the point of being amazing. I am contiually blown away at my wife's ability to take care of herself while also taking care of me, our son, a dog, and an entire house. Don't get me wrong, I think she will also say that I do the same, but certainly not to the extent that she does. I actually think the house would burn down if it wasn't for her. She is absolutely amazing at caring for our family and home and does so many things that keep our lives running smooth. I think if men had to multi-task the way women do in a household, the world would collapse on itself. Men need women in so many ways and women are amazing at providing and care-giving. Withpout women, I think this world would never have evolved to what it is and men would still be carrying clubs around saying "ooga booga." Behind every successful man, there is a woman who has kept him headed in the right direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #33 May 24, 2006 QuoteThere's a little boy I'd like you to meet sometime. He's 21 months old, and from the moment he was born, he was about two things: 1) The boob; and 2) his peepee/nuts. *** I see a '40 plus' year old in the mirror every morning who that description fits to a TEEEE! Exactly. My wife no longer holds that against me. "Honey, it's a bilogical urge to check them. Conor proves it." My wife agrees with me now on the basis of indisputable evidence. We've seen pictures of him in the womb checking to see they're still there. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #34 May 24, 2006 QuoteHe since loves cars, hates stuffed animals, etc. It was nothing we taught him - he always was disinterested in the stuffed animals, dolls, etc. But he loves cars, blocks, things like that - the stuff that is stereotypically associated with "boys." I have to disagree with you this. My Daughter was the exact same way. It would drive my ex Crazy because all my daughter wanted when she was a baby was Cars and LOUD things. We even had some "Unbiased" informal tests done when she was a baby.. She never wanted anything to do with Dolls. Stuffed animals, Dolls and Cars placed across the room.. She would always go straight of the cars. When she was 2 1/2 her mom would take her shopping and give the choice between a new toy Car of some type and various Dolls. She would always take the car without even thinking about it. By 5 years old, She could look under the Hood of my race car and Identify every single visible major part and tell you what it was and how in functioned (Alternator, Carburetor, Heads, Intake manifold, Radiator, ect..) Different personalities but necessarily because of gender. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,560 #35 May 24, 2006 There are outliers on both ends of the spectrum. It's a continuum, not an either/or. In the US right now, it's much more OK for a girl to be interested in guy stuff than the other way around. But overall, more boys than girls like rough-and-tumble; there is a lot of observational research that backs it up. That doesn't meant that there aren't kids who are different in a whole lot of ways. I'd be thrilled if it were all socially-determined; it'd give me one more thing to blame on "hmph -- men." But overall it seems to be that boys are more rough-and-tumble. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #36 May 24, 2006 QuoteI have to disagree with you this. Actually - this makes my point. Society had nothing to do with your daughter's interests. I think the term "gender" is stereotypical, i.e., "guy things" and "girl things." I read her statement about "gender" as being reflective of those stereotypes. I think society has little to do with what interests a child. Your daughter was born that way, liking the things that she likes, and society had nothing to do with it. You've made my point quite nicely, actually. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #37 May 24, 2006 I misunderstood your point. I though you were saying that your son liked these things because he was born male. My mistake. Yes.. I think we do agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #38 May 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteThere's a little boy I'd like you to meet sometime. He's 21 months old, and from the moment he was born, he was about two things: 1) The boob; and 2) his peepee/nuts. *** I see a '40 plus' year old in the mirror every morning who that description fits to a TEEEE! Exactly. My wife no longer holds that against me. "Honey, it's a bilogical urge to check them. Conor proves it." My wife agrees with me now on the basis of indisputable evidence. We've seen pictures of him in the womb checking to see they're still there. *** We agree there...but did my "Drama" argument change your mind any? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #39 May 24, 2006 QuoteWomen are allowed to physically assault men when the man has pissed them off. A man will be arrested and viewed as scum if he hits a woman, yet you can see women hitting men on about every tv show there is from time to time, in tons of movies, and even on commercials, often being viewed as humor. Also, a woman hitting a man is widely viewed as an acceptable response to many situations. I just never understood that one. Cultural thing--I don't get it either. People beating on each other doesn't make a lot of sense to me. They seem to do things differently in the Middle East. A friend who spent time in Saudi Arabia claimed that one woman who was sentenced to death by stoning was put in a pit and a dump truck unloaded a bunch of rocks on top of her. Women assaulting men is not acceptable IMO, but it seems better than some alternatives. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #40 May 24, 2006 I agree with you that ANY form of abuse is just plain wrong and unacceptable. I don't know many women or men who find this behavior okay. I don't think that this should be included in the fundamental differences between men and women. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #41 May 24, 2006 QuoteWe agree there...but did my "Drama" argument change your mind any? No. I viewed it as satire. Then again, nothing is just satire.... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #42 May 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteWe agree there...but did my "Drama" argument change your mind any? No. I viewed it as satire. Then again, nothing is just satire.... *** Especially coming from ME! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #43 May 24, 2006 QuoteI agree with you that ANY form of abuse is just plain wrong and unacceptable. I don't know many women or men who find this behavior okay. I don't think that this should be included in the fundamental differences between men and women. I don't think it's a fundamental difference--it's a socialization thing. He does have a point, though. For example, a woman throwing a drink in a man's face. I've actually seen something like that done. A woman poured a large Coke over a guy's head. I was sitting across the table from him and thought it was really funny because he deserved it. He had really been running his mouth giving her a hard time. If she had been doing the same to him, I would have thought she deserved the Coke over the head. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #44 May 24, 2006 Men generally have a higher center of mass then women... which makes it so it is easier for men to do headdown and for women to sitfly... other then that... I agree with J... there are a lot of exceptions to the "rules" that make generalizations a bad idea...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #45 May 24, 2006 QuoteMen generally have a higher center of mass then women... which makes it so it is easier for men to do headdown and for women to sitfly... What? "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #46 May 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteMen generally have a higher center of mass then women... which makes it so it is easier for men to do headdown and for women to sitfly... What?What do you mean what... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #47 May 24, 2006 QuoteIf she had been doing the same to him, I would have thought she deserved the Coke over the head. Ya think? If a woman pours a drink on a man, people around will either laugh, or look embarassed, or ignore it. If a man were to do the same, even if warranted, he'd likely end up in a fight with some nearby busybody who has no idea why it happened.... And most would praise the busybody for sticking up for the woman. Isn't that the original guy's point? Certain double standards do apply. (I have no issue with a lot of those double standards, just not the shallow ones like the above example). Men have an easier time writing in the snow while peeing. Woman have a lower chance of getting prostate cancer. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #48 May 24, 2006 Yeah. Age and guile, and you've got more than enough age to make up for any lack of guile, there, Jim. Of course, not the age of a sparky, who has been with us since at least the Cretaceous period. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #49 May 24, 2006 QuoteI've actually seen something like that done. A woman poured a large Coke over a guy's head. I was sitting across the table from him and thought it was really funny because he deserved it. but i have also stood two feet from a guy in a bar that got a bottle smashed over his head by another guy. what does that mean? i think men resort to violence much quicker than women. i agree on the socially acceptable side, but violence is violence. come to think of it though, about 8 years ago i was in a bar minding my own business talking to some friends, when a girl came up to me out of nowhere and threw her drink on me. she thought i was hitting on her boyfriend. she had the wrong girl because i was entirely confused by the situation. guess this stuff goes both ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #50 May 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf she had been doing the same to him, I would have thought she deserved the Coke over the head. Ya think? If a woman pours a drink on a man, people around will either laugh, or look embarassed, or ignore it. If a man were to do the same, even if warranted, he'd likely end up in a fight with some nearby busybody who has no idea why it happened.... And most would praise the busybody for sticking up for the woman. Isn't that the original guy's point? Certain double standards do apply. (I have no issue with a lot of those double standards, just not the shallow ones like the above example). That was exactly his point and I think he's right on the money, but I don't think we're born to follow that pattern. I think we are taught it. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
