SpeedRacer 1 #1 May 24, 2006 Any knowledgeble Jewish people out there? A friend of mine married a Jewish woman & I got a card that says the baby girl is named "Tamar". So I went on line & looked up the pronunciation on FOUR different dictionary/baby name websites & found 2 different versions. But a couple friends of mine have argued a third pronunciation which is not mentioned in any of the other online sources. (I think they're full of crap, but they BOTH say it!) Without biasing anyone by telling you what the pronunciations were, how do YOU say that "Tamar" is pronounced? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #2 May 24, 2006 Ask the parents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #3 May 24, 2006 Yeah, obviously. But I kinda wanted to be cool so if they call me i don't have to say "So how is little, uh, uh, mmumble mmmumble.." Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #4 May 24, 2006 If it's anything like the Tamar I knew, it's pronounced "tah-MAR!" My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeJD 0 #5 May 24, 2006 Think I can help you here because I used to work with a girl who had that very name. Now I'm just trying to figure out how to write it phonetically! Um... Do you know the British R & B artist, Lemar? Rhymes with that. Short first syllable, and the emphasis on the second one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites waltappel 1 #6 May 24, 2006 QuoteYeah, obviously. But I kinda wanted to be cool so if they call me i don't have to say "So how is little, uh, uh, mmumble mmmumble.." "How's your rugrat?" Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MikeJD 0 #7 May 24, 2006 QuoteIf it's anything like the Tamar I knew, it's pronounced "tah-MAR!" Yep - what he said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #8 May 24, 2006 T'mar? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites seejanefall 0 #9 May 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf it's anything like the Tamar I knew, it's pronounced "tah-MAR!" Yep - what he said. I third that. _____________ PMS #394 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Slappie 9 #10 May 24, 2006 I dunno how to say it.. but when I first read it, the first word that came to mind was Tapeworm. Funny how word association works. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #11 May 24, 2006 QuoteIf it's anything like the Tamar I knew, it's pronounced "tah-MAR!" That's the first pronunciation that popped into my head (provided "tah" rhymes with "duh"). Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #12 May 24, 2006 Yeah. It is more of a "tuh" My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #13 May 24, 2006 OK, that's what my two friends said. tah- MAR. So someone explain to me this: 1) Why do ALL the dictionaries & baby name websites say tthat the pronunciation is TAY-mar or TAH-mar. and 2) Why ALL THE OTHER TWO-SYLLABLE names in the Bible pronounced with the accent on the FIRST syllable? Can anyone think of an exception???? Adam, Noah, Abram, Moses, Judah, Reuben, Peter, ....?? Female names: Dinah, Hannah, Mary, Rachel, Sarah,.... YTF is Tamar different???? (Tamar was the name of Judah's daughter-in-law and also the name of David's daughter) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #14 May 24, 2006 Because you're pronouncing them in english, not hebrew. Some of those names accent the second syllable in hebrew, and others have 3 syllables and accent the second. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sartre 0 #15 May 24, 2006 QuoteBecause you're pronouncing them in english, not hebrew. Some of those names accent the second syllable in hebrew, and others have 3 syllables and accent the second. What he said....he's smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #16 May 24, 2006 so what I would really need to do is ask an Israeli how to pronounce "Tamar." but what would be an example of a 2-syllable name that is pronounced that way in Hebrew (apart from Tamar)? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JENNR8R 0 #17 May 24, 2006 I don't know of anyone named Tamar. Whenever I have heard it pronounced at a bible study, it has always been "TAYmar"What do you call a beautiful, sunny day that comes after two cloudy, rainy ones? -- Monday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #18 May 25, 2006 Adam. There's no sound in hebrew like the As in Adam. The As are pronounced like "odd." ahDAHM. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #19 May 25, 2006 OK, I've done a little research & here's what I found: You got two kinds of Jews (geographically....this is not about Orthodox, Reform, etc) : Ashkenazi in Eastern Europe. They usually put the accent on the next-to-last syllable, and until the mid 20th century they were the biggest influence on pronunciation of those words & names in the Western World. and Sephardic Jews, who lived in the middle east & Palestine & now in Israel. They tend to put the accent on the LAST syllable. So for what we call "Sabbath" Ashkenazic Jews will say SHAB-bos where a Sephardic Jew would say shab-BAT. So the ta-MAR pronunciation is more in keeping with tthe pronunciation of Sephardic Jewry, ie, Israel & Middle East. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites seejanefall 0 #20 May 25, 2006 QuoteOK, I've done a little research & here's what I found: You got two kinds of Jews (geographically....this is not about Orthodox, Reform, etc) : Ashkenazi in Eastern Europe. They usually put the accent on the next-to-last syllable, and until the mid 20th century they were the biggest influence on pronunciation of those words & names in the Western World. and Sephardic Jews, who lived in the middle east & Palestine & now in Israel. They tend to put the accent on the LAST syllable. So for what we call "Sabbath" Ashkenazic Jews will say SHAB-bos where a Sephardic Jew would say shab-BAT. So the ta-MAR pronunciation is more in keeping with tthe pronunciation of Sephardic Jewry, ie, Israel & Middle East. You'll also find in Israel that the governing body is mainly Sephardic, so the language taught to hebrew school students now is the Sephardic accenting. At least I remember that from hebrew school, as my teacher would give both accents for our information. _____________ PMS #394 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites falxori 0 #21 May 26, 2006 ok, this discussion was fun but if you're looking for the way we'd say it here is Israel, here it is. its simply Ta-mar, with just a slight accent on the "mar", if any at all (and Ta, not Tay). anyway, its a beautiful name that (from my experience) results in a pretty girl... hope it helps Ori "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #22 May 26, 2006 thanks for replying! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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SpeedRacer 1 #3 May 24, 2006 Yeah, obviously. But I kinda wanted to be cool so if they call me i don't have to say "So how is little, uh, uh, mmumble mmmumble.." Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #4 May 24, 2006 If it's anything like the Tamar I knew, it's pronounced "tah-MAR!" My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #5 May 24, 2006 Think I can help you here because I used to work with a girl who had that very name. Now I'm just trying to figure out how to write it phonetically! Um... Do you know the British R & B artist, Lemar? Rhymes with that. Short first syllable, and the emphasis on the second one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #6 May 24, 2006 QuoteYeah, obviously. But I kinda wanted to be cool so if they call me i don't have to say "So how is little, uh, uh, mmumble mmmumble.." "How's your rugrat?" Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #7 May 24, 2006 QuoteIf it's anything like the Tamar I knew, it's pronounced "tah-MAR!" Yep - what he said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 May 24, 2006 T'mar? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seejanefall 0 #9 May 24, 2006 QuoteQuoteIf it's anything like the Tamar I knew, it's pronounced "tah-MAR!" Yep - what he said. I third that. _____________ PMS #394 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slappie 9 #10 May 24, 2006 I dunno how to say it.. but when I first read it, the first word that came to mind was Tapeworm. Funny how word association works. "Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #11 May 24, 2006 QuoteIf it's anything like the Tamar I knew, it's pronounced "tah-MAR!" That's the first pronunciation that popped into my head (provided "tah" rhymes with "duh"). Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #12 May 24, 2006 Yeah. It is more of a "tuh" My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #13 May 24, 2006 OK, that's what my two friends said. tah- MAR. So someone explain to me this: 1) Why do ALL the dictionaries & baby name websites say tthat the pronunciation is TAY-mar or TAH-mar. and 2) Why ALL THE OTHER TWO-SYLLABLE names in the Bible pronounced with the accent on the FIRST syllable? Can anyone think of an exception???? Adam, Noah, Abram, Moses, Judah, Reuben, Peter, ....?? Female names: Dinah, Hannah, Mary, Rachel, Sarah,.... YTF is Tamar different???? (Tamar was the name of Judah's daughter-in-law and also the name of David's daughter) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #14 May 24, 2006 Because you're pronouncing them in english, not hebrew. Some of those names accent the second syllable in hebrew, and others have 3 syllables and accent the second. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sartre 0 #15 May 24, 2006 QuoteBecause you're pronouncing them in english, not hebrew. Some of those names accent the second syllable in hebrew, and others have 3 syllables and accent the second. What he said....he's smart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #16 May 24, 2006 so what I would really need to do is ask an Israeli how to pronounce "Tamar." but what would be an example of a 2-syllable name that is pronounced that way in Hebrew (apart from Tamar)? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JENNR8R 0 #17 May 24, 2006 I don't know of anyone named Tamar. Whenever I have heard it pronounced at a bible study, it has always been "TAYmar"What do you call a beautiful, sunny day that comes after two cloudy, rainy ones? -- Monday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #18 May 25, 2006 Adam. There's no sound in hebrew like the As in Adam. The As are pronounced like "odd." ahDAHM. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #19 May 25, 2006 OK, I've done a little research & here's what I found: You got two kinds of Jews (geographically....this is not about Orthodox, Reform, etc) : Ashkenazi in Eastern Europe. They usually put the accent on the next-to-last syllable, and until the mid 20th century they were the biggest influence on pronunciation of those words & names in the Western World. and Sephardic Jews, who lived in the middle east & Palestine & now in Israel. They tend to put the accent on the LAST syllable. So for what we call "Sabbath" Ashkenazic Jews will say SHAB-bos where a Sephardic Jew would say shab-BAT. So the ta-MAR pronunciation is more in keeping with tthe pronunciation of Sephardic Jewry, ie, Israel & Middle East. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seejanefall 0 #20 May 25, 2006 QuoteOK, I've done a little research & here's what I found: You got two kinds of Jews (geographically....this is not about Orthodox, Reform, etc) : Ashkenazi in Eastern Europe. They usually put the accent on the next-to-last syllable, and until the mid 20th century they were the biggest influence on pronunciation of those words & names in the Western World. and Sephardic Jews, who lived in the middle east & Palestine & now in Israel. They tend to put the accent on the LAST syllable. So for what we call "Sabbath" Ashkenazic Jews will say SHAB-bos where a Sephardic Jew would say shab-BAT. So the ta-MAR pronunciation is more in keeping with tthe pronunciation of Sephardic Jewry, ie, Israel & Middle East. You'll also find in Israel that the governing body is mainly Sephardic, so the language taught to hebrew school students now is the Sephardic accenting. At least I remember that from hebrew school, as my teacher would give both accents for our information. _____________ PMS #394 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #21 May 26, 2006 ok, this discussion was fun but if you're looking for the way we'd say it here is Israel, here it is. its simply Ta-mar, with just a slight accent on the "mar", if any at all (and Ta, not Tay). anyway, its a beautiful name that (from my experience) results in a pretty girl... hope it helps Ori "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #22 May 26, 2006 thanks for replying! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
