hackish 8 #26 September 20, 2007 QuotePack it slider down. Sure, sounds good. I'll pack it that way if you agree to "unpack" it at terminal. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #27 September 20, 2007 Word on measuring a PD slider. Fold the slider in half. Pull tight at the fold and measure there. If you measure at the edge with the reinforcing tape, your measurements will be off. A rigger that measured mine didn't know this and I bought a replacement slider because mine was "small" compared to "standard". When I received the new one and it was the exact same size as my existing, I was a bit dissatisfied with my rigger's lack of knowledge. 50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #28 September 20, 2007 Quote That may be ZigZagM, but I will take that over a 100 or 200 foot opening anyday I do understand the desire to not jump canopies that fell like you just hit the ground when they open... That be as it may... I also don't understand the trend towards the opposite, being taken to the extreme, where some of the "shit hot", "cool" canopies "kids" today "gotta have" that open into a streamer that eventually clears. Quote Have you ever jumped a Spectre? Yes, I've jumped a Spectre. Quote I have been told by several vidiots that they routinely take up to a grand to open, sometimes more... I wouldn't always smile at that... kinda takes away some options if your down and dirty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #29 September 20, 2007 Quote Word on measuring a PD slider. Fold the slider in half. Pull tight at the fold and measure there. If you measure at the edge with the reinforcing tape, your measurements will be off. A rigger that measured mine didn't know this and I bought a replacement slider because mine was "small" compared to "standard". When I received the new one and it was the exact same size as my existing, I was a bit dissatisfied with my rigger's lack of knowledge. Well, there are some secrets us riggers are not allowed to divulge to the general public... ... but its not like we're endowed with every tid-bit of knowledge about all canopies, rigs, etc. when we get our rigger's ticket. I've known the proper way to measure a PD slider, as you describe, but I didn't know that until I had reason to ask PD and I learned. When I got my rigger's ticket, I was told by an ol' grey hair master rigger that's probably forgotten more about sport skydiving gear than ten of us put together will ever know, that a rigger's ticket is a license to learn, don't start thinking you know everything now, keep asking and learning. My words to what I think he meant, in part, was don't let the fact that you're now a "rigger" stop you from asking questions because you're afraid folks will be disappointed in you since you're a "rigger". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #30 September 20, 2007 QuoteWhen I got my rigger's ticket, I was told by an ol' grey hair master rigger that's probably forgotten more about sport skydiving gear than ten of us put together will ever know, that a rigger's ticket is a license to learn, don't start thinking you know everything now, keep asking and learning. My words to what I think he meant, in part, was don't let the fact that you're now a "rigger" stop you from asking questions because you're afraid folks will be disappointed in you since you're a "rigger". Very wise words indeed! This thinking would also apply to skydiving as a whole, you never will know it all and you have to always keep learning!you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #31 September 20, 2007 I decided to go step by step through PD's manual for the sabre in case the rigger who showed me the packing procedure missed a fine detail. "Sabres are designed for a slow-to-medium speed opening when packed as described in the P.D. manual - with each side of the nose rolled four complete turns towards the center. Do not tuck the nose into the center cells. The new airfoil design causes the center cells to form a pocket that can hold the rolls there during opening. Additionally, tucking the end cells into the center cells will result in unreliable opening times, with some very long snivels. Repeat: Do not do this." It would seem that although I got the 4 turns right I missed the part about not tucking the nose in. Oops! Looks like the snivels are being caused by the packing. Will correct that this weekend and report back how well it goes. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #32 September 20, 2007 Quote I have been told by several vidiots that they routinely take up to a grand to open, sometimes more... I wouldn't always smile at that... kinda takes away some options if your down and dirty. Okay agreed...I certainly wasnt complaining a couple weeks ago when I had to take it low on a 10 way. Threw at 2300 and saddled out at 1900.... As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #33 September 20, 2007 Quote crotalus01... B-License holder... said: Okay agreed...I certainly wasnt complaining a couple weeks ago when I had to take it low on a 10 way. Threw at 2300 and saddled out at 1900.... G. MINIMUM OPENING ALTITUDES [E] Minimum container opening altitudes above the ground for skydivers are: 1. Tandem jumps–4,500 feet AGL 2. All students and A-license holders–3,000 feet AGL 3. B-license holders–2,500 feet AGL 4. C- and D-license holders–2,000 feet AGL *cough* Okay, okay, not that a D-License makes gravity not care... I've been know to "pull low for safety" sometimes myself... ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hackish 8 #34 September 20, 2007 Are those the rules for the US? If I were a D and if I tossed out at 2000 the last opening I had would have been open at 800. The rules in the frozen northland are 200' higher. Not my idea of fun. Depending on how many jumps I get this weekend I'll try not tucking the nose in and see how it opens. -Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #35 September 21, 2007 well, when I look up at 2700 and someone is right on top of me I tend to track a bit more....edit to add I knew that was going to come up... As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #36 September 21, 2007 No worries. Like I said, I've been known to pull low for safety at times myself, but remember, you're not supposed to fucking die either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #37 September 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm in the habit of watching the deployment and there didn't seem to be any trouble with the PC. It is fairly new and didn't seem to have any trouble pulling the bag up and open. From there that square mess of flapping stuff seemed to just sit there for a long time before the slider started to descend. Don't do this, it is a dangerous habit to get into. Yes you need to confirm that the canopy has opened properly but if you spend the entire opening looking up you won't see the canopy collision you are just about to have. Also, that is also a very bad position for your head and neck during opening shock (if you get an opening shock). Other than that, I just echo the earlier comment that it is hard to believe you want a Saber to open faster." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon26 0 #38 September 22, 2007 Pro-packing is the way forward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
