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And what's preventing you from doing that on an EX500 or an SV650?
It's not the bike - it's the rider.
It is more difficult to get it up to higher speeds as quickly.
Also, the throttle is not as twitchy. It you hit a mid corner bump with over a 100 horsepower in your right wrist (which with a new rider has a death grip and a tense arm) you can spin the rear up and low or high side much faster than if you have 50-70 horsepower in your right wrist.
I agree it is not the bike it is the rider, but some bikes are much easier and more forgiving to learn on, that is just a fact.
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QuoteIt is more difficult to get it up to higher speeds as quickly
I'll agree with you that you can get there more quickly, sure, but who says you have to hit 100+ to kill yourself. My 1000RR hits a 170mph without much hesitation at all, but that doesn't mean I do it every time I get on it.
Throttle abruptness depends on many things, not just horsepower. Gearing, injection mapping, RPM range, they all play a part. Just keep the thing low in the RPM range and you can ride a sport bike just as gently as any cruiser.
And yes, proper braking techniques and throttle control are an integral part of riding. A safety course and a little common sense will go a long way there.
I just think it's funny how people immediately attack the guy saying he's practically guaranteed to kill himself cuz he bought 1000cc V-Twin. If you don't have the sense to ride responsibly you'll probably end up killing yourself no matter what bike your sitting on.
I'm not saying that it's the perfect beginner bike, cuz it's not. But with a little common sense and a bit of respect for the machine your sitting on, you can easily learn proper riding techniques on that bike.
Then again, perhaps I'm relying too much on common sense, huh?
Peace,
Z
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I will agree that it is possible to learn on a large bike, but in my experience few I have seen that have started on a large bike last very long.
Perhaps it has more to do with a responsible person choosing a smaller bike to learn on, rather than the smaller bike itself. I just see an awful lot of kids on 600 and 1000 race reps that don’t last a year in the sport.
The 1000rr is nice; I have been lusting over them for some time, but am waiting for the 07 lineup, hopefully a new VFR.
Perhaps it has more to do with a responsible person choosing a smaller bike to learn on, rather than the smaller bike itself. I just see an awful lot of kids on 600 and 1000 race reps that don’t last a year in the sport.
The 1000rr is nice; I have been lusting over them for some time, but am waiting for the 07 lineup, hopefully a new VFR.
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One of the biggest problems with high performace twitchy bikes is when things go slightly wrong, inexpericened riders will often do what they think is right, when this will be the exact wrong thing to do. Like standing a bike up in the middle of a corner for fear of it leaning too far, and consequently riding into the bush. (I've seen it happen way to many times) just one example and I know you and Zee can think of many more.
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The MRA here has long argued for a BPH limit instead of our CC limit, incidently the "S" on the end of SV1000S signifies Sports model, the gearing is differnt to the "SV" so too the ride position, it NOT a learners bike and was never intended to be one
HP limits were proposed in the US in the 80s, but it was then clearly shown that the problem (deaths) was inversely related to power. That said, in that era big HP came with weight and slower handling. We know have 100+ hp 600s under 400lbs, and liter bikes just a bit heavier.
QuoteOne of the biggest problems with high performace twitchy bikes is when things go slightly wrong, inexpericened riders will often do what they think is right, when this will be the exact wrong thing to do. Like standing a bike up in the middle of a corner for fear of it leaning too far, and consequently riding into the bush. (I've seen it happen way to many times) just one example and I know you and Zee can think of many more.
Ah ywa, survival reactions. Every one should read Twist of the wrist 2.
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I think that has a lot to do with all of the stunting that's going on these days too. Kids see a guy doing a stand up wheelie or a 300 yard stoppie and naturally, they want to try it too. I was out riding with a buddy on Friday night and we got passed by a kid on a gixxer (choice of all true squidsQuoteI just see an awful lot of kids on 600 and 1000 race reps that don’t last a year in the sport.
) doing a 100 mph+ 12 O'Clock down a 35mph street. I'll give the guy credit, he's got some mad skillz, he's just dumb as shit, that's all.
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The 1000rr is nice; I have been lusting over them for some time, but am waiting for the 07 lineup, hopefully a new VFR.
I have to say the 1000RR is one of the coolest machines I've ever ridden (Am I biased? Probably...) It's geared too tall from the factory but that was an easy fix. The power delivery is blinding, the braking is superb, and the handling is just incredible. It's quite a step up from my old bored out ZX11 and man is it fun to smoke the Busa's in the twisties
. Hopefully they will come out with a new VFR - they need to offer more choices between the hyper performance machines and the cruisers.Action©Sports
And what's preventing you from doing that on an EX500 or an SV650?
It's not the bike - it's the rider.
pull your head in Zee it's both and you know that
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