justinb138 0 #26 June 19, 2006 QuoteThat would be an accident and the person pulling off the drive would be at fault. I fail to see how any court would say it was his fault as his bike was too heavy for him Does it matter whose fault it is if your dead? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #27 June 19, 2006 Apparantly in America yes it does. Someone is always at fault for something, accidents NEVER happen, especially when theres easy money to be made Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #28 June 19, 2006 You are depending on luck instead of skill through a much larger range of possibilities by pushing the envelope. You don't have, with your experience, the skill to deal with a lot of the shit that can happen. With a smaller bike, and a larger canopy, you can depend on the skill you've developed instead. Most of the people talking to you have years of experience in skydiving and motorcycling. Most of them aren't jealous of you -- really. You might get lucky. But understand it's almost certainly luck, and not your godlike ability to "handle more than the average guy." Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #29 June 19, 2006 QuoteMost of the people talking to you have years of experience in skydiving and motorcycling. Most of them aren't jealous of you -- really. You know what, I've got to remember that line. Changed up a bit, that'd be a really good comment to have posted somewhere on the DZ.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #30 June 19, 2006 Ha. My brother just got his learner's permit 5 days ago. This last weekend, I was in Los Angeles for family duties. I found out he had his permit, and I thought, "Cool. Let roll." I figued my car was the ideal choice. It's a 2002 Mercury Sable. A 5-Star safety rating. And my wife absolutely hates it. It's not a pretty car, or a fashionable car, but a comfy car, good milage, and with zero percent financing and 25% off sticker price, how coul dI say no? In sum, my wife openly encouraged Eric to drive the car. More importantly, she offered him a small reward if he crashed it. It's insured, and almost paid off, anyway. And she HATES it. "Tell him to feel free to crash it!" I had him drive a group of us to a sports bar. I even took him on an LA freeway. Sadly for my wife, he did fine. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #31 June 19, 2006 QuoteMore importantly, she offered him a small reward if he crashed it. The funniest part of this thing is that you're a freakinhg lawyer!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #32 June 19, 2006 That's why I advised him of the risks of doing so. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy556 0 #33 June 20, 2006 Why would you let someone take their first ride on your liter bike? Have you heard of MSF, that is what it is for? And for that matter, what are you doing getting a liter machine for your first ride? Good luck to you – others have made it starting off big, but many don’t. It usually doesn’t bite them in the first 3 weeks either; it is 3-6 months into ownership when they get hurt/dead. ETA: Is the $1600 dealer repaired, or ordering parts from RonAyers? If it is dealer costs, find the cost of ordering the parts and fixing yourself it is very easy and you share some blame for the damage. So, order the parts and don’t install them for 12 months, you’ll thank me later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #34 June 20, 2006 How much does it cost to insure bikes out there? In this country, after just passing my test if i wanted to buy a litre bike i could afford the bike itself but the insurance would be another matter and for very good reason. You have no business on a 1000cc sportbike 3 weeks after your test.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilZilla 2 #35 June 20, 2006 Quote You have no business on a 1000cc sportbike 3 weeks after your test. does anyone here really kno anything about the SV1000S or are you guys just seeing that 1000? the SV has a 90 degree v-twin engine. for those of you who have no idea what the heck that is, its two cylinders 90 degrees apart from eachother. this bike does not have an inline 4 like most sportsbikes. and because of this, the SV is not nearly as snappy. yes, it'll get up and go but the front tire wont come off the ground unless i drop the clutch in first gear. i have been assured by many who just like some of you have been riding 4 years that that bike is suitable for beginner riders. and yes i have full coverage on the bike plus compensation 4 theft. all together it's costing me about $52 a month. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #36 June 20, 2006 Quote does anyone here really kno anything about the SV1000S or are you guys just seeing that 1000? As someone mentioned earlier, there are alot of experienced riders here advising you against the 1000. I know what an SV1000S is. Quote the SV has a 90 degree v-twin engine. So does the RC-51. Quote for those of you who have no idea what the heck that is, its two cylinders 90 degrees apart from eachother. We know. Quote this bike does not have an inline 4 like most sportsbikes. and because of this, the SV is not nearly as snappy. Not true. It may not have the top end HP of the typical inline 4, but it makes up for it in torque. Quote yes, it'll get up and go but the front tire wont come off the ground unless i drop the clutch in first gear. Yes it will. The fact that you claim to know this leads me to belive that you've tried it. Quote i have been assured by many who just like some of you have been riding 4 years that that bike is suitable for beginner riders. and yes i have full coverage on the bike plus compensation 4 theft. all together it's costing me about $52 a month. There's no shortage of stupid riders, and anyone that recommended an SV1000s for a rider with no experience qualifies. I wouldn't have recommended anything above the EX500 or maybe the SV650. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #37 June 20, 2006 QuoteQuote You have no business on a 1000cc sportbike 3 weeks after your test. does anyone here really kno anything about the SV1000S or are you guys just seeing that 1000? the SV has a 90 degree v-twin engine. for those of you who have no idea what the heck that is, its two cylinders 90 degrees apart from eachother. this bike does not have an inline 4 like most sportsbikes. and because of this, the SV is not nearly as snappy. yes, it'll get up and go but the front tire wont come off the ground unless i drop the clutch in first gear. i have been assured by many who just like some of you have been riding 4 years that that bike is suitable for beginner riders. and yes i have full coverage on the bike plus compensation 4 theft. all together it's costing me about $52 a month. I really hope your ignorance doesn't bite you in the ass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #38 June 20, 2006 >all together it's costing me about $52 a month. I think your choice of rides may end up costing you a lot more than that in the long run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilZilla 2 #39 June 20, 2006 Well I just want to thank you guys 4 all your opinions. Its always good to receive advise and even criticism from others. Like I said earlier, it’s a great way to learn. However, the bike is already bought and I have no intention of selling it. Thanks again, and have fun in the sky. I’ll see you guys up there some time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #40 June 20, 2006 Quote does anyone here really kno anything about the SV1000S or are you guys just seeing that 1000? the SV has a 90 degree v-twin engine. for those of you who have no idea what the heck that is, Were the 1000 a BMW Boxer, you might make the argument. The SV, quite a stretch. Even the 650 version have 70hp and the big caveat about the rather tall seat height, not ideal for new or shorter riders. But I agree that a mature person can make that sort of bike choice and do okay. It's not an R1. That said, it was barnyard stupid for you to try to teach someone else at all, and on that bike in particular. I think you should eat the loss as a consequence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #41 June 20, 2006 Quote But I agree that a mature person can make that sort of bike choice and do okay. It's not an R1. It's not an R1, but it's not far away. Not to mention that "mature" doesn't really apply here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #42 June 20, 2006 >> i am VERY confident under my canopy<< I am sure you are. >>as for the bike, yes, same exact thing.<< Agreed. >>shit is going to happen whether your on a 600cc bike or on some 1300 hybusa. << And people pound in under Skymasters. I used to race motocross when I was younger. I had a lot of confidence in my ability on the bike. I had a lot of respect for it, too. I went to 8th grade in a wheelchair. I was very lucky that day. A small physical mistake on a big, heavy bike, particularly at low speed, is a much bigger deal than the same mistake on a smaller bike that you can throw around. I dropped a (borrowed) 500cc motocrosser in the pits for no reason other than the fact that it was so heavy. A small mental error on a big, powerful bike, particularly at high speed, is a much bigger deal than the same mistake on a smaller bike that 1. you can throw around and 2. would not hit 150 mph in less than three seconds of your making that mental mistake. Brent ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #43 June 20, 2006 Quote>all together it's costing me about $52 a month. I think your choice of rides may end up costing you a lot more than that in the long run. I sure hope not. Every asshole (and I am speaking rhetorically here) that jumps on a little canopy way before they should and pounds in makes our sport look bad. Oh well, like AggieDave, i think that quote about jealousy is great. No, I am not jealous of your little canopy. I can outswoop your ass on my bigger canopy!~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy556 0 #44 June 20, 2006 Most of the people giving you good advice here know exactly what an SV1000 is, many have probably ridden them. The front wheel will come off the ground without clutch in first, I promise. Keep dropping the clutch in first and you will land on your ass soon. Whoever told you that bike is suitable for a beginner knows a lot less than you, and they think they do. Does this person ride anywhere but to Bike Night? What kind of clothing do they wear when they ride? Do they really care about your safety, i.e. the person that sold it to you? Go to any motorcycle forum other than stunter or squid forums and seek opinion there from a large pool of people with a lot of experience in this area, they will all tell you to start small and a 1000 twin is not a good starter bike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #45 June 20, 2006 >Thanks again, and have fun in the sky. I’ll see you guys up >there some time. I hope so! Keep in mind that we're making these suggestions because we _do_ want to see you up in the sky, not in a hospital room (or worse.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #46 June 20, 2006 I know exactly what the sv1000 is. I rode the sv650 for a year - that would be MORE than enough as a first ride. My previous comment stands.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy556 0 #47 June 21, 2006 QuoteHow much does it cost to insure bikes out there? In this country, after just passing my test if i wanted to buy a litre bike i could afford the bike itself but the insurance would be another matter and for very good reason. You have no business on a 1000cc sportbike 3 weeks after your test. Insurance is very expensive here, same situation, a newbie on a liter bike would pay more than 50% of the sticker price annually in insurance premiums. What they do to get around the insurance requirement and what is allows most of the squids to get one is, they issue you a credit card with a high enough limit to purchase the bike, and you purchase it that way. Since it is unsecured credit (no lien on the bike) full coverage insurance is not required. The bike is usually promptly totaled and the kid ends up paying for the bike for the next 10-15 years at 17%+ or declares bankruptcy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #48 June 21, 2006 QuoteQuote does anyone But I agree that a mature person can make that sort of bike choice and do okay. It's not an R1. . But you can still drop it into a corner at 180kph and bugger yourself up big time if you get it wrong The MRA here has long argued for a BPH limit instead of our CC limit, incidently the "S" on the end of SV1000S signifies Sports model, the gearing is differnt to the "SV" so too the ride position, it NOT a learners bike and was never intended to be oneYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LilZilla 2 #49 June 21, 2006 luckily 4 me i own the bike out right and have full coverage on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jeremy556 0 #50 June 21, 2006 For comparison, from the back of my latest "Motorcyclist" magazine: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
LilZilla 2 #49 June 21, 2006 luckily 4 me i own the bike out right and have full coverage on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeremy556 0 #50 June 21, 2006 For comparison, from the back of my latest "Motorcyclist" magazine: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
