never let your friend learn on your new bike!!!!!

[LilZilla 2]

about 3 weeks ago i went out and bought my first bike. i found an 03 SV1000S sports bike with a great deal so i picked it up. well, my roommate wanted to learn how to ride so i figured i'd hook 'em up. WRONG ANSWER!!! i took him over to this road out in the middle of BFE and tought him everything he needed to kno. he was doin really well too, until he dumped it! DAMNIT!!! he's ok, but i'm gonna guesstimate about $1,600 of damage has been done. he offered to pay 4 it so i'm not too pissed but at the same time i am. the only thing he walked away with is a nice dirty road rash on his palm. hahaha.... i made him scrub it clean with a tooth brush. lol.... that was fun too watch.

[wmw999 2,584]

That's why the MSF class is such a great idea. You get to learn all that stuff from someone whose job it is to teach it, on their bike (which, BTW, is smaller than a 1000 -- much easier to control).

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Scoop 0]

A common English saying is perefect for situations like this, simply is...... glum

I'm an ass when it comes to stuff like that. I used to go mad when my mate knocked the floormats in my car out of alignment and I made another walk home when he threw a frisbee and it bounced off my drivers door.

I know accidents are accidents but why to your beloved new bike WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY!?!?!

[yardhippie 0]

Out of all the bikes I have ever owned, no one but me ever drove them unless they had a bike of greater or equal value that would be mine if they wiped it.
I learned on my own ride years ago, I just figure everyone else can too. A bike is just too damn easy to wreck and it will never be the same after that.

Glad you'll get it all worked out.

Goddam dirty hippies piss me off! ~GFD
"What do I get for closing your rig?" ~ me
"Anything you want." ~ female skydiver
Mohoso Rodriguez #865

[ChrisL 2]

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Out of all the bikes I have ever owned, no one but me ever drove them unless they had a bike of greater or equal value that would be mine if they wiped it.

Damn straight.

The only person besides myself that will ever ride my fat boy is nobody

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My mighty steed

[LilZilla 2]

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Out of all the bikes I have ever owned, no one but me ever drove them unless they had a bike of greater or equal value that would be mine if they wiped it.

ok, new words of wisdom to live by. definitely gonna write that one down!

[justinb138 0]

Duh.

The SV1000S is not a good choice for a beginner to learn on.

[LilZilla 2]

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The SV1000S is not a good choice for a beginner to learn on.

i really can't argue with that due to what this whole post is about but i really think that depends on the person and how quickly they pick up on riding. as long as you can respect the power you'll be fine. thats what i've always believed but like i said i've only been ridding for a month.

[wmw999 2,584]

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i really can't argue with that due to what this whole post is about but i really think that depends on the person and how quickly they pick up on riding. as long as you can respect the power you'll be fine. thats what i've always believed but like i said i've only been ridding for a month.

I learned on a nearly 900-cc bike (Harley Sportster). It was not the right bike to learn on, and I only dropped it once, in a parking lot (hole where I put my foot down ). A big one won't forgive as many mistakes as a smaller one would, and the mistakes that it will forgive (like pulling into traffic that's going so quickly that you have to goose it) are fairly egregious errors in judgment.

Have you taken the MSF class?

You will make mistakes riding. If you can learn with a bike that you can very easily control if you unbalance it a little, then you can recover from a whole lot more mistakes. And the same goes for your friend.

Your argument sounds like the argument for downsizing before mastering one's current canopy.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[justinb138 0]

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i really can't argue with that due to what this whole post is about but i really think that depends on the person and how quickly they pick up on riding.
as long as you can respect the power you'll be fine. thats what i've always believed but like i said i've only been ridding for a month.

There's a difference between respect and control.

Sorry if I'm being an asshole today, but given the choice of canopy listed in your profile I can see that you obviously don't understand that.

Good luck, and hopefully you won't die.

[wmw999 2,584]

Smaller words this time. I agree with justinb138. A 1000 is a stupid bike to learn on. It doesn't make you better, braver, or more manly. It just means that you don't get the opportunity to learn all sorts of things the easy way.

It doesn't attract girls -- only guys.

And yes, your wingloading is probably higher than it should be for your experience level, too.

WTF am I to talk? You say I haven't seen your inherent talent level? Frankly, if you're that talented, then you'll benefit even more from something that will really let you exploit it to the max, rather than something that you're on the edge with all the time.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[ntacfreefly 0]

I was about to compare it to ever other yahoo I've watched pound themselves in under canopy saying the same thing - then, like you, I saw his canopy choice and figured it wouldn't be worth the time.

If he makes it cool - strong genes, if not - oh well Darwin thinned the herd again.

edit: Of course him 'teaching' someone to ride a 1000 with his 'experience' is like an aff graduate teaching an aff student how to fly a velocity. People's overestimation of themselves never ceases to amaze me.

Ian

To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu

It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer

[Conundrum 1]

First of all, you don't just pick up 1000cc sportbikes with little to no experience because it was a "good deal", it's stupid and asking for trouble. Secondly, how exactly did you teach him "everything he needed to know" when you know hardly anything yourself?

Can't say I really feel sorry for you, I think buying a 1000 for a first timer is asking for trouble. Is it possible to learn on one? Sure, but it's not something I'd count on for going well.

[LilZilla 2]

hahaha....thanks for the input everyone. yeah we all make mistakes and thats a part of life. however, I know my limits. i've never had a prob with that bike and i've taken the safety course as well. as far as my wing loading, thanks 4 your concern, but i'll be fine.

[ntacfreefly 0]

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i've never had a prob with that bike and i've taken the safety course as well. as far as my wing loading, thanks 4 your concern, but i'll be fine.

Your choice, but you can't say you'll be fine. You don't have enough time on either to even have a clue.

Shit, after almost 10 years of skydiving I don't ever 'think I'll be fine' - you're just a fool who's fooling only themselves.

Either way, I don't know you so go ahead and do your thing.

To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu

It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer

[Scoop 0]

Bet you wish you never said anything now!

To the others I'd say everyone has their own comfort zones and speed of progressions. Just respect that. Might be right, might be wrong, but who are we to say?

Worng = Pain or worse
Right = Big smiles

[skybytch 273]

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To the others I'd say everyone has their own comfort zones and speed of progressions. Just respect that. Might be right, might be wrong, but who are we to say?

Worng = Pain or worse
Right = Big smiles

What if you're riding your bicycle down the street (or picking up your main in the landing area) and he comes along and, due to inexperience and overconfidence, loses control of his bike (parachute) and takes you out?

Are you still okay with his choice of "comfort zone and speed of progression"?

[justinb138 0]

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To the others I'd say everyone has their own comfort zones and speed of progressions. Just respect that.
Might be right, might be wrong, but who are we to say?

Everyone has their own speed of progressions, but starting out on a litre sportbike or 135 loaded @1.5 is fucking stupid.

If he's lucky he'll live, but if he doesn't hopefully he doesn't take anyone else with him.

[Scoop 0]

Only a complete and utter cock would be doing stupid maoeuvres in a busy area. There is a difference between being inexperienced and reckless

[shropshire 0]

If y'bend it .... y'mend it.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[LilZilla 2]

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***after almost 10 years of skydiving I don't ever 'think I'll be fine'

of course things go wrong unexpectedly. skydiving is an excellent example of this. the spots are never going to be perfect. an off dz landing will happen someday. and when that happens, you may be forced to navigate your canopy into some tight spots and aviod any number of things. other things like swoopers cutting you off, and hundreds of other things may happen. yes, i understand this. i am VERY confident under my canopy. that doesn't mean i'm some pro by any means at all. i'm always learning and some day i'll be forced to test my skills with my canopy. untill than, i will go on jumping and flying my canopy and continue to become more persistant with it. as for the bike, yes, same exact thing. shit happens. cars brake too quickly in front of you, any number of things may happen. shit is going to happen whether your on a 600cc bike or on some 1300 hybusa.

[justinb138 0]

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Only a complete and utter cock would be doing stupid maoeuvres in a busy area. There is a difference between being inexperienced and reckless

Getting a litre bike with no experience or flying a small canopy at that loading with little experience is reckless.

[skybytch 273]

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Only a complete and utter cock would be doing stupid maoeuvres in a busy area. There is a difference between being inexperienced and reckless

Rereading my post, I don't see that I said anything about stupid manuevers or busy areas. Say you're on a residential street, he's driving the posted speed limit and someone pulls out of their driveway directly in front of him, forcing him to swerve. On a smaller bike he could likely swerve and regain balance. Less likely on a bigger bike, so he loses control and takes you out...

[justinb138 0]

Whatever.

Just don't take anyone else out when you panic turn yourself into the ground, or hit a car when you're speeding down the highway on your bike.

[Scoop 0]

That would be an accident and the person pulling off the drive would be at fault. I fail to see how any court would say it was his fault as his bike was too heavy for him

But not being an expert on bikes I shall tip my hat and retire from this thread. I just think its sad that people like to harass others for pushing the boundries a little and not being a sheep and doing what everyone else says is 'the right way' because thats the way they did it.