remi.fackeure 0 #1 July 31, 2007 Hi ! i've got a Talon 2 T4, and i would like to know if is is possible/safe to pack a safire 2 139 canopy... I guess that the T4 is best ofr 150/170 canopies, what about a 139 ? The pack volume of a safire 2 139 is 295 on Icarus website. Thanks a lot in advance for your answer remi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #2 July 31, 2007 QuoteHi ! i've got a Talon 2 T4, and i would like to know if is is possible/safe to pack a safire 2 139 canopy... I guess that the T4 is best ofr 150/170 canopies, what about a 139 ? The pack volume of a safire 2 139 is 295 on Icarus website. Thanks a lot in advance for your answer remi Do yourself a favor and learn something along the way. Contact: Rigging Innovations, Inc. 4900 N. Tumbleweed Road, Bldg. 1, P.O. Box 86 Eloy, AZ 85231 Tel. 520.466.2655 FAX: 520.466.2656 www.rigginginnovations.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remi.fackeure 0 #3 July 31, 2007 thanks for your advice, i've already sent an email to R&I... just asking several people :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #4 July 31, 2007 Table II. TALON 2 Main/Reserve Container Volumes All numbers refer to the cubic inch volume of the containers. Container size Volume T0 Reserve/Main 250/ 275 T1 Reserve/Main 275/300 T2 Reserve/Main 375/375 T3 Reserve/Main 335/375 T4 Reserve/Main 375/420 T5 Reserve/Main 415/475 T6 Reserve/Main 475/550 T7 Reserve/Main 550/650 T8 Reserve/Main 600/700 http://www.rigginginnovations.com/pdf/OwnersManual/tln2manl.pdf Quote The pack volume of a safire 2 139 is 295 on Icarus website. Interesting... according to Para Gear... the pack volume of a Safire 2 139 is : 386 cu in... about a 110 cu in difference!??! Then again, coming up with the pack volume of a canopy has been a bit of a "black art" in the sport industry. IMO, the Safire 2 - 139 in a T4 may be a little too loose (soft). Especially since the Talon 2 has the closing loop on the 1st flap rather then on a tang (like a Javelin & some other rigs). Have you tried it yet? If a Safire 2 - 139 packs up to about 380ish cu in's as opposed to 290ish... it may not be sooo bad in a T4? However... Then again, I used to pack a Sabre 150 into my Talon 2 - T6... probably shouldn't have done it / it was pretty soft. I now have a Sabre 170 in that same rig (T6) and the main closing loop is "just long enough" to stack 3 gromets on top of each other. Originally, I had a PD190 in that same rig... Container size Volume T6 Reserve/Main 475/550 Main Canopy / Pack Volume PD 190 / 448 Sabre 170 / 451 Sabre 150 / 413 ... if any of that info is of any help to your situation. Para-Gear's Canopy Comparison Chart: http://www.paragear.com/canopyspecs/canopysizing.PDF CAUTION: PARA-GEAR has no control over these statistics. For general comparison only. Volume and size figures could vary 20% ±. This volume chart has been put together from many sources using various methods of measurements. Figures in lighter type furnished by PARACHUTE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION. Figures in bold type come from many sources. THESE STATISTICS, THEREFORE, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ONLY TO BE APPROXIMATE VOLUMES. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #5 August 1, 2007 PIA's Canopy Volume Chart: Manufacturer Model DOM Volume Area ATAIR AERODYNAMICS COBALT 120 00/08 346 ICARUS CANOPIES CROSSFIRE 92 00/03 316 ICARUS CANOPIES CROSSFIRE 109 00/09 324 ICARUS CANOPIES CROSSFIRE 119 00/08 349 ICARUS CANOPIES CROSSFIRE 126 00/07 363 ICARUS CANOPIES CROSSFIRE 135 00/07 413 ICARUS CANOPIES CROSSFIRE 149 00/07 414 ICARUS CANOPIES CROSSFIRE 169 492 ICARUS CANOPIES SAFIRE 139 99/04 391 ICARUS CANOPIES SAFIRE 149 99/11 424 ICARUS CANOPIES SAFIRE 209 99/06 528 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VENGENCE 89 99/12 312 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VENGENCE 97 99/12 329 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VENGENCE 107 99/12 354 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VENGENCE 120 99/12 388 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VENGENCE 135 00/01 428 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VENGENCE 150 00/01 472 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VENGENCE 170 00/01 522 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VELOCITY 96 99/01 340 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VELOCITY 90 99/01 325 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VELOCITY 84 99/01 306 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS VELOCITY 79 99/01 280 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS NAVIGATOR 240 98/04 744 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS NAVIGATOR 200 98/05 652 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS NAVIGATOR 220 98/10 705 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS NAVIGATOR 260 98/02 756 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS NAVIGATOR 280 98/10 815 NA FLIGHT CONCEPTS STARTRAC II 98/06 974 PRECISION EXTREME 110 98/06/XX 347 110 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 113 98/03 429 123 PISA TEMPO 170 97/12 404 180 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SILHOUETTE 230 97/05 588 NONE PARATEC BALANCE ZP 97/12 414 174 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SILHOUETTE 230 05/97 588 N/A FLIGHT CONCEPTS ZP MANTA 200 98/XX 564 217 FLIGHT CONCEPTS PRODIGY 175 96/11/11 612 164 PARATEC SPEED2000 220 97/04 478 223 PARATEC BALANCE 280 97/03 640 283 FLIGHT CONCEPTS SHARPCHUTER 95/11/01 583 239 FLIGHT CONCEPTS SUPER 7 - 107 97 276 107.2 FLIGHT CONCEPTS PRO SERIES 190 97/10/09 509 189 PARATEC SPEED2000 120R 97/11 287 121 PRECISION RAVEN 3G 94/11 557 247 FLIGHT CONCEPTS PRO SERIES 170 97/09 428 164 FLIGHT CONCEPTS PRO SERIES 150 97/09 400 142 FLIGHT CONCEPTS PRO SERIES 135 97/09 370 128 FLIGHT CONCEPTS PRO SERIES 120 97/09 338 113 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-280 97/05 798 298 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SILHOUETTE 190 97/05 483 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SILHOUETTE 150 97/05 398 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 230 97/05 532 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 210 97/05 515 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 190 97/05 475 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 170 97/05 416 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 170 97/07 455 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 150 97/05 370 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 135 97/05 354 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 120 97/05 321 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 107 97/05 296 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 97 97/05 281 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 143 96/06 497 155 EIFF CLASSIC 180 96/02 572 183 PISA TEMPO 250 96/01 503 PRECISION P124-246a 97/07 493 PARA FLITE TURBO-ZX 225 95/05 483 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 193 95/06 532 200 FLIGHT CONCEPTS STARTRAC 265 97/03 614 257 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-235R 97/04 521 245 PRECISION SUPER RAVEN 249 97/02 474 474 PRECISION P124-212a 97/04 439 269 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 170 97/04 424 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SPECTRE 190 97/04 467 N/A PISA TEMPO 170 97/02 395 180 QUANTUM / RI GEN-X 150 97/06 395 153 PARA DE FRANCE TECHNO 155 95/06 314 N/A PARA DE FRANCE TECHNO 128 97/ 267 N/A PARA DE FRANCE TECHNO 115 97/04 267 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-143R 97/03 343 151 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 150 97/03 413 157 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-235 93/11 492 242 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-193 93/04 439 200 AIR TIME JEDI 105 96/11 337 PRECISION RAVEN 109M 97/01 274 106 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-280 94/06 731 298 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 260 96/09 697 274 FLIGHT CONCEPTS SHARPCHUTER-R 96/11 601 244 FLIGHT CONCEPTS MAN-O-WAR 96/07 792 311 FLIGHT CONCEPTS FURY-R 96/08 527 220 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-160 93/04 375 160 WINCHESTER VIPER 135 97/02 382 N/A WINCHESTER VIPER 120 97/02 341 N/A PARA FLITE TURBO-ZX 285 96/10 628 EIFF CLASSIC 304 95/09 788 319 FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 134 96/06 338 EIFF CLASSIC 238 656 248 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-235 96/03 700 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 120 95/04 396 AEROGLIDE AG916 96/03 417 417 PISA TEMPO 210 95/08 475 206 STRONG MIGHTY MACK 86/00 719 250 PISA TEMPO 170 93/01 429 181 FLIGHT CONCEPTS FIRELITE-R 95/06 424 174 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 220 96/02 566 239 AEROGLIDE AG920 95/12 493 493 AEROGLIDE AG918 96/01 443 443 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 120 95/07 324 127 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 135 95/07 560 147 FLIGHT CONCEPTS ESPRIT 170 94/12 496 192 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-170 95/06 391 182 EIFF CLASSIC 281 95/05 761 287 EIFF CLASSIC 259 716 254 EIFF CLASSIC 238 95/07 655 246 PRECISION MR-150 94/10 353 149 BASIC RESEARCH FOX 205 95/04 583 212 BASIC RESEARCH FOX 185 95/07 516 189 NAA PARAFOIL 282 94/08 895 273 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-235 94/10 575 244 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-300 718 300 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-218R 95/03 496 235 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 99 95/05 295 106 PIONEER TC-9 773 332 BASIC RESEARCH FOX 205 94/09 583 212 BASIC RESEARCH FOX 265 95/05 680 269 PARA FLITE TURBO-Z 145 93/08 375 144 PARA FLITE TURBO-Z 125 94/06 341 123 ADVANCED PARA SYS LAZER 7R 92/12 550 221 STRONG STRONG ZPO 190 92/12 455 188 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 135 95/02 356 142 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-253R 95/01 551 267 PARA FLITE TURBO-Z 145 93/08 375 375 PARA FLITE TURBO-Z 125 94/06 341 123 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-113R 94/10 286 123 ADVANCED PARA SYS LASER 7R 92/12 550 221 STRONG ZPO 190 92/12 455 188 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-253R 95/01 551 267 FLIGHT CONCEPTS PRODIGY 200 94/06 636 187 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 126-Z 94/03 451 134 JYRO ICARUS-A 139 94/12 368 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-235 93/11 518 241 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 190 94/07 509 196 NAA PARAFOIL 252 94/12 753 260 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 160 94/11 419 168 NAA PARAFOIL 282 89/02 888 271 NAA PARAFOIL 252 90/03 793 250 NAA PARAFOIL 252 90/09 896 240 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-190 92/06 566 195 PRECISION MR-120 94/08 287 PRECISION MONARCH 120 92/09 347 123 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 238 93/08 773 253 FLIGHT CONCEPTS STARTRAC I 94/05 713 270 PISA TEMPO 210 94/07 404 404 PRECISION MONARCH 120 94/08 359 124 PRECISION MONARCH 195 94/07 492 201 PARA AUSTRALIA AIR FORCE 140 94/05 287 287 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 193 F 94/06 510 202 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 235 F 94/06 600 247 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 190 94/05 567 197 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS STILETTO 107 94/04 306 N/A PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-210 94/04 495 223 JYRO ICARUS ALPHA 10 94/04 287 ADVANCED PARA SYS RASCAL 202 94/04 422 201 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-260 93/09 650 277 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-230 93/08 600 244 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-210 93/10 583 222 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 193 94/01 534 201 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-160R 94/03 388 174 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS STILETTO 135 93/07 327 N/A PISA TEMPO 170 93/10 345 181 PISA TEMPO 150 93/10 294 144 PISA TEMPO 120 93/07 267 120 PARA FLITE TURBO-Z 185 93/11 485 180 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 253 93/11 694 271 PRECISION MR-150 93/12 349 150 PRECISION MR-150 93/10 327 150 PRECISION RAVEN 2E 91/04 484 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR11 160 92/12 481 158 PARA FLITE TURBO-Z 205 93/08 505 203 GLIDE PATH EXPRESS 187 601 174 GLIDE PATH NOVA 155 (PROTO 344 149 GLIDE PATH EXPRESS 175 569 160 GLIDE PATH NOVA 140R 337 137 BASIC RESEARCH FOX 220 93/08 567 225 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 176 93/01 497 189 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR7 163 93/07 579 161 JYRO ICARUS 115 93/04 314 127 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS STILETTO 120 322 PARA AUSTRALIA AIR FORCE 120 93/08 265 122 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR11 120 92/10 460 117 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-253R 642 271 BASIC RESEARCH FOX 240 94/01 715 247 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 253 93/05 677 270 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR11 160 93/04 516 157 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR11 180 93/04 515 171 PARA FLITE SUPER EVOLUTION 92/02 483 148 PARA FLITE ROBO-Z 165 92/09 410 163 PARA FLITE ROBO-Z 185 92/09 454 181 PARA FLITE EVOLUTION 140 90/11 474 150 ADVANCED PARA SYS BOGY 178R 93/03 392 170 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR11 180 93/01 563 174 PRECISION RAVEN 3 93/01 484 2485 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-190 93/02 448 205 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 97 93/02 267 103 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 170 93/02 451 179 PRECISION RAVEN 1F 93/01 375 178 PRECISION RAVEN 2F 93/02 419 213 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 160-Z 93/03 534 171 NAA PARAFOIL 262 93/03 793 266 GLIDE PATH NOVA 125R 93/01 292 122 PISA CONQUEST 190 92/06 544 188 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 170 91/10 445 174 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 190 91/08 500 199 PRECISION RAVEN 2 93/01 429 209 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR11 140 92/11 538 136 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR11 160 92/11 592 156 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 218 88/12 758 232 FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 172 92/11 408 183 FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 152 92/11 366 161 FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 134 92/11 334 143 FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 120 92/11 302 126 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR11 120 92/07 414 119 PARA FLITE PURSUIT 230 92/02 735 228 PARA FLITE SWIFT PLUS 175 92/02 433 177 GLIDE PATH HUMMINGBIRD 92/11 357 135 GLIDE PATH NOVA 99 92/09 379 140 GLIDE PATH RAIDER 92/03 515 225 GLIDE PATH FIRELITE-R 92/05 390 170 GLIDE PATH NOVA 150 92/05 429 150 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 218 92/11 610 231 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-193R 92/10 471 200 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 210 92/09 527 218 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-150 90/11 382 159 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 107 92/10 306 115 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 150 92/08 398 159 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-160R 92/03 372 171 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-143R 91/05 363 150 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-260 92/09 570 277 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-230 92/09 516 244 FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 134 92/07 365 FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 206 92/08 481 217 FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 152 92/08 380 155 PRECISION MONARCH 135 92/09 379 140 PRECISION MONARCH 155 92/01 420 160 PRECISION MR-150 92/09 324 150 PRECISION MR-135 92/09 308 134 PRECISION MR-120 92/07 268 114 GLIDE PATH NOVA 135 92/04 340 133 GLIDE PATH NOVA 190 92/04 438 190 PRECISION RAVEN 2S 91/04 467 211 PARA FLITE ROBO-Z 185 00/00 500 179 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 97 92/03 279 103 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-218R 92/03 475 232 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-126R 92/03 296 137 PARA FLITE EVOLUTION 160 90/10 537 166 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-300 87/07 677 300 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-300 92/03 703 317 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-193/CRW 92/02 582 203 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-193/CRW 92/02 594 200 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 135 91/10 363 143 GLIDE PATH NOVA 170 92/02 448 169 AIR TIME JONATHAN 150 92/02 376 NA AIR TIME JONATHAN 136 91/11 333 NA FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 172 00/00 385 181 FREE FLIGHT AMIGO 152 00/00 330 137 GLIDE PATH NOVA 120 92/02 331 116 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 190 90/06 509 195 PARA DE FRANCE MINIMAX 7 91/05 407 174 PARA FLITE EVOLUTION S-200 91/12 796 216 GLIDE PATH ARIEL 135 91/11 408 142 GLIDE PATH CRICKET-R 91/11 347 142 GLIDE PATH ARIEL 170 91/11 461 168 GLIDE PATH STARTRAC II 91/07 722 283 GLIDE PATH STARTRAC I 91/07 740 270 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-218 ZP 90/02 616 226 GLIDE PATH MAVERONE 91/10 576 250 ADVANCED PARA SYS RASCAL 262 91/10 643 259 ADVANCED PARA SYS LASER 9R 91/10 715 290 ADVANCED PARA SYS RASCAL 9 91/10 611 228 PARA FLITE EVOLUTION S-160 91/04 600 168 MISCELLANEOUS IMPULSE 180/CRW 91/04 481 179 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-193/CRW 91/10 610 198 PRECISION MONARCH 155 91/08 395 163 PRECISION FALCON 150 91/08 350 152 GLIDE PATH MAVERICK-R 88/08 468 468 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-253 91/04 573 270 PRECISION MONARCH 175 91/05 440 183 PRECISION FALCON 235 91/03 516 NA PRECISION FALCON 215 91/04 465 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-253R 90/10 597 265 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-193R 90/12 470 201 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-260 91/08 588 277 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-230 91/08 536 244 GLIDE PATH FURY-M 91/06 477 218 GLIDE PATH ARIEL 150 91/08 414 150 GLIDE PATH FURY/CRW 91/07 642 214 PARA FLITE SWIFT PLUS 225 91/07 524 231 PARA FLITE EVOLUTION 240 90/11 642 236 PARA FLITE SWIFT PLUS 145 91/06 330 146 AERODYNE RESEARCH AR7 177 91/04 528 175 PRECISION INTERCEPTOR 200 91/05 524 214 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 107 91/02 287 113 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 120 90/10 328 127 PARA FLITE CRUISLITE 91/03 592 222 ADVANCED PARA SYS LASER 250R 90/10 574 247 PRECISION FALCON 195 91/02 464 200 PARA FLITE ROBO 205 91/02 473 205 PRECISION FALCON 175 90/11 422 179 PRECISION MR-150 89/08 375 148 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-176R 91/01 447 189 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 230 91/01 592 239 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 210 91/01 562 214 PISA REFLEX 145 90/09 405 NA CHUTE SHOP SA MICRON 175 90/09 370 170 PARA FLITE EVOLUTION 240 90/03 707 228 MISCELLANEOUS VECTOR TANDEM I 86/11 980 350 MISCELLANEOUS PRESERVE IV 82/12 343 NA MISCELLANEOUS PEGASUS 83/01 445 220 MISCELLANEOUS TWISTER 200 90/03 444 202 MISCELLANEOUS JETSTREAM 250-7 86/09 532 249 MISCELLANEOUS FIREFLY-R 83/10 384 175 SURPLUS 28' C-9 78/06 815 28' SURPLUS 26' NVY CON 76/02 573 26' SURPLUS 24' T-10A 64/04 661 24' STRONG 26' LOPO 86/05 487 26' STRONG 26' SEMI LT 86/05 443 26' STRONG 26' LOPO LT 86/02 426 26' STRONG WIZARD 87/01 634 278 STRONG SPIRIT 82/08 496 211 STRONG MIGHTY MAK-R 85/05 710 360 STRONG MIGHTY MAK-M 87/01 788 360 STRONG HOBBIT-R 85/01 314 162 STRONG HOBBIT-M 84/06 357 165 PRECISION RAVEN 4 86/12 570 266 PRECISION RAVEN 4 85/03 506 NA PRECISION RAVEN 3 87/03 515 241 PRECISION RAVEN 3 86/10 512 242 PRECISION RAVEN 3 85/05 478 232 PRECISION RAVEN 2 87/04 457 203 PRECISION RAVEN 2 86/10 474 203 PRECISION RAVEN 2 85/05 400 199 PRECISION RAVEN 1 87/05 391 172 PRECISION RAVEN 1 87/04 401 172 PRECISION RAVEN 1 84/11 361 169 PRECISION POLARIS 85/06 465 223 PRECISION INTERCEPTOR 250 90/03 683 276 PRECISION INTERCEPTOR 225 89/09 623 240 PRECISION FALCON 265 90/10 627 274 PRECISION FALCON 235 90/10 566 240 PRECISION FALCON 215 87/05 564 218 PRECISION FALCON 195 87/05 508 198 PRECISION FALCON 175 87/05 455 179 PIONEER MERLIN 81/03 475 206 PIONEER K-26 84/12 426 26' PIONEER K-22 84/12 376 22' PIONEER K-20 81/04 321 20' PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 170 90/05 397 171 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS EXCALIBUR 210 89/01 575 NA PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-340 89/07 880 333 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-260 86/11 627 260 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-260 86/08 545 257 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-230 86/11 589 230 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-210 86/11 493 212 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-193 88/11 414 191 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-190 86/06 436 179 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-170 87/05 432 175 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-150 86/05 375 139 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-218R 89/10 519 230 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-160R 90/08 359 166 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-143R 89/08 355 154 PARA DE FRANCE TRANSFAIR 90/08 292 120 PARA DE FRANCE MAGIC 89/01 535 232 PARA DE FRANCE BT-60 89/01 420 NA PARA DE FRANCE BT-50 89/01 388 NA PARA AUSTRALIA X-300 83/03 723 275 PARA AUSTRALIA X-228 00/00 573 217 PARA AUSTRALIA METEOR 85/08 492 213 PISA INVADER 420 85/06 400 26' PISA INVADER 370 85/06 358 24' PARA INNOVATORS R4-3 85/06 394 26' PARA INNOVATORS R2-3 85/06 321 23' PARA INNOVATORS HAWK 00/00 435 225 PARA INNOVATORS EAGLE 00/00 560 253 PARA FLITE XL-CLOUD 89/04 792 279 PARA FLITE XL-CLOUD 85/07 631 277 PARA FLITE SWIFT 87/06 413 184 PARA FLITE SWIFT 85/04 366 177 PARA FLITE SWIFT PLUS 175 88/10 410 180 PARA FLITE SWIFT/MAIN 00/00 397 199 PARA FLITE STRATO CLOUD 85/06 569 240 PARA FLITE SPORT 260 00/00 715 242 PARA FLITE SAFETY FLYER 78/06 468 152 PARA FLITE PURSUIT 230 85/04 608 236 PARA FLITE PURSUIT 230/RW 85/07 549 232 PARA FLITE NIMBUS XL 85/06 623 273 PARA FLITE NIMBUS BETA 87/05 521 191 PARA FLITE NIMBUS BETA 85/05 454 188 PARA FLITE NIMBUS 87/01 626 N/A PARA FLITE NIMBUS 84/05 537 223 PARA FLITE EVOLUTION 160 89/10 505 166 PARA FLITE DC-5 85/07 556 282 PARA FLITE CRUISLITE XL 90/03 684 246 PARA FLITE CRUISLITE XL 86/05 554 241 PARA FLITE CRUISLITE BETA 85/03 399 175 PARA FLITE CRUISLITE 86/10 569 220 PARA FLITE CRUISLITE 85/05 476 220 PARA FLITE CIRRUS-R 87/03 503 237 PARA FLITE CIRRUS-R 85/02 443 230 NAA PARAFOIL 282 00/00 776 285 NAA PARAFOIL 272 85/04 761 272 NAA PARAFOIL 252 85/04 677 236 NAA PARAFOIL 200 83/08 547 190 NAA TRICON 26 86/02 579 26' NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 328 87/07 974 353 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 305 88/10 984 333 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 282 86/07 780 310 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 259 88/06 823 282 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 240- 89/01 602 264 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 238 88/10 785 254 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 228 88/06 683 247 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 218 88/12 710 236 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 198 88/09 696 214 NEW ENGLAND PARA CHALLENGER 180 88/09 624 196 NATIONAL PHANTOM 180 86/01 369 176 NATIONAL PHANTOM 145 87/03 343 139 NATIONAL PHANTOM 28 85/01 472 28' NATIONAL PHANTOM 26 87/04 435 26' NATIONAL PHANTOM 26 84/11 384 26' NATIONAL PHANTOM 24 87/03 386 24' NATIONAL PHANTOM 24 85/04 332 24' NATIONAL PHANTOM 22 85/04 274 22' NATIONAL VULCAN 00/00 561 NA NATIONAL STINGRAY 84/04 324 142 NATIONAL SPITFIRE 84/06 402 176 NATIONAL SCORPION 84/06 419 178 NATIONAL MARAUDER 84/06 547 253 NATIONAL AVENGER 84/04 457 214 GQ UK/GQ SEC X-210-R 83/04 458 198 GQ UK/GQ SEC X-210-M 83/07 424 196 GQ UK/GQ SEC UNIT III 84/02 643 240 GQ UK/GQ SEC UNIT-F-111 79/11 546 198 GQ UK/GQ SEC SIROCCO 84/07 378 178 GQ UK/GQ SEC SECURITY LOPO 73/02 519 26' GQ UK/GQ SEC SAC 85/01 395 22' GLIDE PATH WILDFIRE-M 86/09 414 165 GLIDE PATH SHARPCHUTER 86/08 503 245 GLIDE PATH RAIDER-M 87/05 559 225 GLIDE PATH RAIDER-M 86/05 484 225 GLIDE PATH MAVERICK-M 87/03 500 197 GLIDE PATH MAVERICK-M 85/03 425 194 GLIDE PATH MANTA 288 87/05 701 284 GLIDE PATH MANTA 288 84/04 621 278 GLIDE PATH MAN-O-WAR 86/08 629 319 GLIDE PATH HUMMINGBIRD 87/06 381 137 GLIDE PATH FURY/CRW 89/02 624 196 GLIDE PATH FURY-M 87/05 538 220 GLIDE PATH FURY-M 85/05 454 213 GLIDE PATH FIRELITE-R 87/06 426 175 GLIDE PATH FIRELITE-R 86/06 368 177 GLIDE PATH FIRELITE-M 87/04 449 175 GLIDE PATH FIRELITE-M 86/08 410 177 GLIDE PATH CRICKET-M 87/06 385 147 GLIDE PATH CLIPPER 87/04 497 188 GLIDE PATH CLIPPER 85/03 432 187 FTS RANGER 7 86/12 576 268 FTS RASCAL 262 87/04 594 261 FTS RASCAL 9 87/05 553 236 FTS RASCAL 202 87/04 435 206 FTS RASCAL 7 87/03 397 186 FTS LASER 9 87/04 629 290 FTS LASER 8 87/04 582 261 FTS LASER 250 87/05 526 235 FTS LASER 7 87/04 490 228 FTS LASER 5 87/03 375 170 FTS BOGEY 229 87/06 474 224 FTS BOGEY 178 87/06 378 174 FTS BOGEY 9 87/06 471 193 FREE FLIGHT PRESERVE III 00/00 384 24' FREE FLIGHT PRESERVE III-1 86/10 439 24' PERFORMANCE DESIGNS SABRE 2 135 09/01 422 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-253 12/99 744 263 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-160R 10/00 419 168 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-143R 8/00 362 149 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-106R 3/01 253 111 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS STILETTO 150 11/00 422 PRECISION 218-DASH M 12/99 553 210 AERODYNE RESEARCH DIABLO 170 12/00 480 BIG AIR SPORTZ LOTUS 136 05/01 413 WINCHESTER SPACE 130 02/01 392 AERODYNE RESEARCH TRIATHALON 99CRW 02/96 409 107 PARA DE FRANCE TECHNO 98 05/99 259 96 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS LIGHTNING 235 PE 12/99 858 249 PERFORMANCE DESIGNS PD-281R 06/01 646 297 EIFF CLASSIC 218 12/00 681 225 EIFF CLASSIC 270 11/01 804 277 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #6 August 2, 2007 Distrust any volume number published by canopy manufacturers - because canopy manufacturers' numbers are written by marketing managers. Riddle: what is the difference between a marketing manager and a compulsive liar? In conclusion, only trust volume numbers published by container manufacturers, because their numbers are based on the professional opinions of riggers who have packed every model of canopy into every size of container (or at least TRIED to pack every model of canopy into every size of container. Tee! Hee!). P.S. Between 1994 and 1997, I was the rigger - at Rigging Innovations - who test-packed all the Talon 2 prototypes. On more than one occasion, I told Sandy: "That combination is possible, but it is an F---ing struggle to close." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #7 August 2, 2007 Quote On more than one occasion, I told Sandy: "That combination is possible, but it is an F---ing struggle to close." [joke] Ah, Yes, the cursing of the name Reid when trying to close a Talon... 1st chant when doing that "choke the chicken" maneuver while compressing the reserve pilot chute... followed by the 2nd chant of when closing the container... I know it well... [/joke] Quote Riddle: what is the difference between a marketing manager and a compulsive liar? At first, I'd guess that the answer to your riddle is "nothing", but after thinking on it, I think your riddle is flawed... as in... you can't always give folks in marketing enough credit to know enough that they'd know they were telling lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
