micro 0 #1 August 19, 2006 Yeah, some of you know what I'm talkin about... Jimson Weed, aka Datura stramonium. Turns out I have a fair bit of it on my farm. From what I'm told, the cows we'll soon be buying are smart enough to avoid it, but humans, well... humans often aren't as smart as cows, believe it or not. Evidentally a fair number of homo sapiens of the adolescent type like to experiment w/ this stuff for it's hallucinogenic properties. However, the weed is pretty low on the dependence-causing quotient, since it's deliterious side-effects FAR outway any "high" that the wayward youth may be seeking. From Wikipedia... "There is a mnemonic for the physiological effects of datura/atropine intoxication: "blind as a bat, mad as a hatter, red as a beet, hot as a hare, dry as a bone, the bowel and bladder lose their tone, and the heart runs alone." The actual effects are reported to be: cycloplegia and mydriasis (extreme dilation of the pupil), flushed, warm and dry skin, dry mouth, urinary retention and ileus (slowing or stopping of intestinal movement), rapid heart beat, hypertension or hypotension, and choreoathetosis/jerky movements. In case of overdose the effects are hyperthermia, coma, respiratory arrest, and seizures. The vast majority of atropine-poisoning cases are accompanied by delirium with hallucinations." The effects of Datura have been described as a living dream: consciousness falls in and out, people who don't exist or are miles away are conversed with etc. The effects can last for days. Tropane alkaloids are some of the few substances which cause true hallucinations which cannot be distinguished from reality. This is unlike psylocybin or LSD, which only cause sensory distortions. The doses that cause noticeable effects, and the doses that can kill are very close with datura. This makes overdosing on Datura stramonium very easy. This can be fatal; it can cause fevers in the 105-110 range which is a range that can kill brain cells, and lead to brain damage. There are many instances of teenagers looking for a cheap high poisoning themselves to death on datura. If someone overdoses on datura it is advised to cause vomiting, to wash out his or her stomach, and to get the person hospitalized immediately. If taken recreationally, the Datura experience seems almost identical from person to person. After ingestion, the user does not notice any conscious effects, no matter how bizarre, for quite a while, which is why overdoses are so common; most people redose, thinking it's not working, when in fact they're passing an imaginary cigarette to an imaginary friend. According to some reports, Datura causes very similar experiences from person to person; often effects are not noticed at all until an unsuspecting user realizes that he or she was hallucinating. Some users have reported seeing an array of people from their lives. A few anecdotal reports also mention the user's perception of "phantom cigarettes"; the person believes that he or she is smoking a cigarette only to find that it has disappeared later, thus realizing that it never existed. At the peak of such experiences users often enter a true psychotomimetic state, in which they "lose touch with reality" altogether; at this point, many find it difficult or impossible to communicate with others. in one instance a person reported seeing demons and hearing demonic speach A majority of users who have written reports on experiences with this drug have described those experiences as unpleasant and often terrifying. This is possibly due to their having taken excessive doses. The powerful effects of Datura continue until the body metabolizes the tropane alkaloids." Nasty stuff, this Jimson Weed. I'm on a mission to eradicate it from my land. It would be truly tragic for one of my kids to get a hold of it. They are currently being educated about it. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindercles 0 #2 August 19, 2006 Here's my address: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #3 August 19, 2006 I had a friend who tried some in high school, many years ago. It was definitely a low point in his life; he got sick as a dog. And there was no cool high to go along with it, either. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #4 August 19, 2006 QuoteHere's my address: On the tube this past week, while travelling, I saw a show that highlighted the case of a woman who got some jimson weed mixed in w/ her lettuce that she had planted in her gargen. The folks in the ER had NO idea what was wrong w/ her or how to treat her and they thought she was just going to die. It was quite a story. Do you really want some? I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #5 August 19, 2006 coming from someone who has experimented a fair bit with a variety of psychadelics (among other things), you really don't want to try datura i've heard nothing but bad things about the high... the only people that use it consistenty do so for religious purposes check out carlos castaneda's The Teachings of Don Juan for some intersting information on it..This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #6 August 20, 2006 I've got a field that is plastered with the stuff. It plugs up the combine and has spines on it and smells real bad making it a real bitch to get out of a combine. My biggest patch is always right by the road and every year I either see someone picking some or see some that has been cut off and taken away. As for riding your place of it permanently, good luck. I believe that the seed can stay in the soil for as long as 60 years with out germinating making it neer impossible to eradicate. If it is growing though a good shot of 2-4-D or Roundup will kill it fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #7 August 20, 2006 Got some of that shit growing in front of our station (ambulance). A couple of the crews here have run folks on that crap in the past. Bad stuff. dropdeded------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites