Sabre2

[Freefly710 0]

ive heard a few people around the DZ complain about the way the Sabre2 opens...so i made this little clip to give them my opinion based on my experiences with the canopy....yes.....im that bored, lol!!! enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJLfhB9akJI

[hookitt 1]

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ive heard a few people around the DZ complain about the way the Sabre2 opens...so i made this little clip to give them my opinion based on my experiences with the canopy....yes.....im that bored, lol!!! enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJLfhB9akJI

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[Freefly710 0]

ahh..thanks for the clicky...

[P-dro 0]

I have had 3 Sabre 2 (all in big size : one 210 and two 190) on which i've made i've made around 300 jumps.
the opening were: 90% off heading, sometimes severely (180° or 360°), 40% brisk, 10% hard to very hard (2 visits to the doctor to put back vertebraes in place).
All 3 have been packed by a lot of different people (regular packer, master rigger, friends and me of course me,most of the time) and I tried an awful lot of tricks to improve opening to no avail.

The only thing that I found to improve things those last 30 to 40 jumps I switchted to a roll packjob, that slows down opening a little and make them relatively comfortable.
I've never had opening like the one you show on your video... So my next canopy won't be a Sabre 2, that's for sure. Maybe later when I use smaller sizes like 135 (my teammates have a 120 and a 135 and are very happy with them, even if they still don't open on heading...)

[phoenixlpr 0]

How about not touching the risers? I would expect a tapered canopy open without baby sitting.

You first opening was not on heading anyway.
Are your 5 nice openings are the proof or the exception?

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

I have over 1000 jumps on a Sabre2 97 and I love the openings. It must be noted that I can't touch my risers (It's my wingsuit canopy). No complaints.

[pilotdave 0]

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I have had 3 Sabre 2 (all in big size : one 210 and two 190) on which i've made i've made around 300 jumps.
the opening were: 90% off heading, sometimes severely (180° or 360°), 40% brisk, 10% hard to very hard

I have around 800 jumps on my sabre2 135. My openings are probably more like 98% off heading, 1% brisk, and I think I've had 2 or 3 hard openings, but all of them were close to each other before I had the canopy relined.

Since the reline (a few months ago), openings have been more on heading. Still tends to turn, but far fewer of the 270-360s on opening. Heck, I count 360s as on heading openings.
But hard openings have never been a problem for me. I had maybe 650 or 700 jumps on it before I ever had a hard opening, and that was packed by a packer when the canopy had 700+ jumps on its original lineset.

Dave

[jheadley 0]

I've got about 150 jumps on a Sabre 2 170 and 350 on a Sabre 2 150, among other sizes. I do a somewhat-sloppy pack job (but am neat where it matters). I have no problem at all with the openings. They don't open on heading as reliabily as say a Spectre or Pilot but are still nice. I feel perfectly comfortable taking mine on bigways. I don't think I've EVER had a hard opening, and maybe just a few brisk ones. All I do to control the openings is quarter the slider, that's it. The Sabre 2 is still my favorite canopy after jumping over 20 different models.

Packing and body position, packing and body position

[beowulf 1]

I have about 850 jumps on a Sabre 2 150 and I just got my new Sabre 2 135 and have about 25 jumps on it. The 150 I always got off heading openings but very rarely did I ever get a slammer opening. The 135 has had all very consistent on heading openings. On every jump I have to pull the rear risers to get the slider to come all of the way down. I personally like Sabre 2's and with the openings being more consistent on this new one I just like that much more.

[divegoddess 0]

I had an off heading opening every once in a while. a nice 90 left usually..... but I'd look up and see end cell closure. I've had some brisk openings, but no whackers.
I have a buddy who complains of of heading openings on his sabre. I packed his rig a couple of times, and he said the openings were on heading.

I personally think that alot of it has to do with how you pack em.Alot of people on my DZ have pocket sliders on their sabres... I never putone on as I never felt a need for one.

Also..... when I switched from a ZP PC to an F111 that improved my openings significantly.

[pilotdave 0]

Are you talking about a Sabre or Sabre2? Can't imagine why anybody would put a pocket slider on a Sabre2...

Dave

[Freefly710 0]

i just randomly picked 6 videos out of my collection...

those openings were very typical for my Sabre2.

this was a sabre2 150 loaded at about 1.35.

[mktoson 0]

I put about 400 jumps on a Saber2 150. I would say that about 95% of my openings were off heading with only a few slammers. People who tend to have smaller sizes of this canopoy seem not to have the problems with the opening characteristics as much.

So far, this is the oldest I've ever been.

[Floats18 0]

250 Jumps on my SabreII

I love it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4arURp4oCtA

Good opening montage about 80% of the way through

--- and give them wings so they may fly free forever

DiverDriver in Training

[squarecanopy 0]

Can't imagine why anybody would put a pocket slider on a Sabre2...

Dave

[longtall 0]

My saber 2 usually takes 900+ feet to open with the usual off heading and slider hang-up...J................

" 90 right, five miles then cut."---Pukin Buzzards

[lilchief 1]

I demoed a Sabre2 170 last autum, did some 15-20 jumps on it. It didn't slam on me, but the openings where fast. I could really feel the harness in my groin during deployment my exit wheight is approx 220.

I talked to people about it, and one person showed me how to pack the slider in a better way, and it worked until i forgot it on the next jump

Most of the opening were on heading/max 45 degree off. But on Sabre 2 210 and 190, I've never experienced any of these problems.
But as mentioned in this post, symmetrical packing is a factor to consider. I've for instance bagged the canopy more on one side in the bag several jumps until I realized that the off heading opening came from the way i bagged the canopy.

To those who are looking for canopies, the sabre2 is a good canopy IMO. There are many variables that will affect flight and opening characteristics that will result in difference bewteen same type of canopy and size.

"Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci
www.lilchief.no

[duroejc 0]

So whats the secret slider technique. I'd try anything- I'm in the 98% off-heading group- new canopy and it seem like now after 150 jumps it is beginning to pack more symetrically and not just a big ball of crap. Some glimmers of hope- It is a down to business opening- no slammers but not the 1000ft snivels like a Spectre.

[UPS 0]

Got a Sabre2 150, 1.1:1, with already 200jumps on it for my first rig. Started jumping it and had 28 jumps. on the 15 first jumps, i would have agreed with everybody here complaning about 180's and 90's on opening. And then started beeing more aware of my body position before opening and always had good on heading openings since. Also, I think my packing as to do with it, lets say I had to repack it about 5+ times before beeing able to putting it in the bag on my first packs . And if you have slammers... Damn just roll the tail!!!

Lesson learned, don't be late to your 8:00AM packing course, even if youre on youre vacancy and were partying the night before! Thx Brian for helping me out when my instructer wasnt!

[lilchief 1]

Hi man! sorry for beeing slow to respond.But as i said, I don't remeber quite, but it has to with the slider. The Sabre 170 at 1,25lb/sqf was very sensitive to the slider during packing. When the canopy is over the shoulder and you're stowing the slider make sure it symetrical and will cathc as much air as possible.

Experiment with pulling the slider more to the front or back, so it cathces more air either in front or tail.

I'm sorry that I can't remeber it. Let mw know how it goes.


Ron

"Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you long to return." - Da Vinci
www.lilchief.no

[Freefly710 0]

when i get home..ill post pics of what i do with my slider when i pack my sabre2 and get the openings i put in my clip.. its all about keeping it symmetrical and carefully quartering the slider..

[duroejc 0]

Thanks both of you- I'll look forwrd to the pics.

[Remolution 0]

wish my Safire2 opens like these Sabre2 in your clip
Parachute Openings are mysterios. My Safire opens very very smooth but i never get a perfect on heading from it!

[UDSkyJunkie 0]

Mine opens always soft and on heading at first, then becomes an adventure after it's 1/2 inflated, almost always diving one direction or the other. Oh, and the slider tends to stay waaaay at the top of the lines for several seconds after the snivel. Took me about 100 jumps to get comfortable with that.

But then again it's a 120 loaded 1.45 to 1... anything would be a little twitchy under such circumstances.

"Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission."

[WingFlyer 0]

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when i get home..ill post pics of what i do with my slider when i pack my sabre2 and get the openings i put in my clip.. its all about keeping it symmetrical and carefully quartering the slider..

Could you post the pics please? I read in the manual to pull the quartered slider halfway towards the nose between the A lines on the center cell. Is this what you do?