SkydiveStMarys 0 #1 September 5, 2006 He always told his camera crew to keep shooting the footage if something should ever happen. Well "something" has happened and do you think it should be shown to the public? Is it a morbid curiosity to want to see it? Do you not want to see it because of a "dignity" factor? BobbiA miracle is not defined by an event. A miracle is defined by gratitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #2 September 5, 2006 QuoteHe always told his camera crew to keep shooting the footage if something should ever happen. Well "something" has happened and do you think it should be shown to the public? Is it a morbid curiosity to want to see it? Do you not want to see it because of a "dignity" factor? Bobbi that would be a SNUFF film, no thanks yes it's morbid curiosity, no i dont want to see it, I will gain nothing from watching a man die.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #3 September 5, 2006 Quoteno i dont want to see it, I will gain nothing from watching a man die. I agree with Squeak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #4 September 5, 2006 no i think i'd be in favor, of destroying the film/video and would do so, If i shot it. no good to be had, by keeping it. only further heartache for those who are/were close to Mr Irwin A friend and colleague of his, was on national news, here in the US this morning, and said, he "would never look at it again." (sidenote) what has been reported is that the Poison on a rays barb can induce pain and physical discomfort, but is not often fatal...Did he make a serious mistake by removing the barb thus allowing the wound to his heart muscle to bleed. could it have been a different outcome if the barb remained as a Blockage to the bleeding,,,,, til they got him ashore...??? i dunno... How sad... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveStMarys 0 #5 September 5, 2006 "could it have been a different outcome if the barb remained as a Blockage to the bleeding,,,,, til they got him ashore...??? i dunno... " I wondered the exact same thing. Though I think it is a natural reaction to pull at it or yank it out when something stings or gets embedded into the skin. As for the film, not sure if I would detroy it. If anything, if I were his wife I would want to hold onto it. Not sure what my reasoning would be for this, but I still would want it. I would keep it in a safe. There may come a time years down the road that I would want to see it and witness his last moments. Call me crazy. Bobbi BobbiA miracle is not defined by an event. A miracle is defined by gratitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntrprnr 0 #6 September 5, 2006 QuoteHe always told his camera crew to keep shooting the footage if something should ever happen. Well "something" has happened and do you think it should be shown to the public? Is it a morbid curiosity to want to see it? Do you not want to see it because of a "dignity" factor? Bobbi Don't see how it's any different from watching him do anything else he's done - it's all part of the cycle of nature/cycle of life, something of which he was a huge proponent of. I think it should be shown. Educationally, as well._______________ "Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?" "Even in freefall, I have commitment issues." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #7 September 5, 2006 Man, that is a tough one.... I would say OK if it can be used for educational purposes to prevent a similar incident. I do realize it is a rare freak type accident but still.... I also think it should be up to the family. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pia 0 #8 September 5, 2006 If it was available to see, I definitely would steer clear of it. I wouldn't want thousands of ppl watching a video of me should that happen **Those who refuse to live and learn simply exist** Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveStMarys 0 #9 September 5, 2006 It makes ya wonder why he would have told his camera crew to keep shooting. What would he use it for? BobbiA miracle is not defined by an event. A miracle is defined by gratitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #10 September 5, 2006 Showing footage of someone's death is both in poor taste and very disrespectful to the family of the deceased. Nobody wants to be flipping through the TV channels and realize, "Oh, here's the footage of my [son, brother, father, or friend] dying." I've heard some friends and family of Rob Harris comment on how difficult it was to watch the commercial Rob was shooting when he died, even though no footage from the fatal jump was included. The only circumstance under which releasing footage of someone's death might be acceptable is when the footage is of a significantly historical nature. Though it was surely very difficult for John F. Kennedy's family when the footage of his death was released, that footage is of such historical significance that I believe there was merit in making it public. But even that footage was not made public for over a decade after the assassination. There is no real historical significance to the accidental death of Steve Irwin; therefore, I don't believe there would be any legitimate reason to release the footage of the incident.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #11 September 5, 2006 QuoteQuoteno i dont want to see it, I will gain nothing from watching a man die. I agree with Squeak. It doesn't happen often, but I agree w/ Squeak too. edit... the only people who should see it are the ones who already have... proper authorities. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #12 September 5, 2006 In this particular case, I would likely not be in favor of publicly showing the footage. There are situations/cases, however, I would be in favor of showing such tragedies.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveStMarys 0 #13 September 5, 2006 So why would he want the camera man to continue to film? I am not saying that I am in favor of releasing it, as I stated above. BobbiA miracle is not defined by an event. A miracle is defined by gratitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #14 September 5, 2006 No! I can see no good, from watching someone die! Maybe, executions should be held in giant stadiums and sell popcorn and cotton-candy! I wish too, the media would show some different footage of him, other than the footage with he and his son and the crocodile. JMO! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weegegirl 2 #15 September 5, 2006 No. Like others said... what's to gain from watching it? Are you going to learn something? Like don't mess with the bull unless you want the horns - or whatever the saying is? It's sad and incredibly real. I don't think his wife or children would want to witness that, just as nobody wants to see their friends or significant others go in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #16 September 5, 2006 QuoteThough it was surely very difficult for John F. Kennedy's family when the footage of his death was released, that footage is of such historical significance that I believe there was merit in making it public I was thinking of using that as an example, too, but it doesn't quite illustrate my point that sometimes such footage or photos are merited. During the Vietnam war, the attached photo (taken by Eddie Adams) was published publicly and became almost instantly famous. I'd be curious to know what people's thoughts are on it and other examples of that nature.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #17 September 5, 2006 QuoteSo why would he want the camera man to continue to film? Obviously Irwin did not know how he would die. Telling his camera men to continue filming in such an event was, imo, a "just-in-case". Ie: Just in case something could be learned from it. He was, afterall, a teacher in many ways. Seems fitting.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #18 September 5, 2006 that image is just before execution, the video footage of that was not released until much much later.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #19 September 5, 2006 Quotethat image is just before execution, the video footage of that was not released until much much later. Thank you, Captain Obvious. Although I would say "during" an execution rather than "before". That was not my point. It is clear in the photo what is taking place. Sometimes I think a photo is more shocking than video footage as it is a particular image in freeze frame. This and other photos were quite controversial as to whether or not they should be published publicly. And it, too, is of a man's death.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImGunnaJump 0 #20 September 5, 2006 This was my thought exactly...there is nothing to be learned by seeing his death. The only thing that remains of curiosity for me is whether or not he knowingly swam too close. They haven't really made this distinction clear. It is possible that the ray was buried under the sand and he was swimming too close to the bottom of the ocean and suddenly startled it with tragic consequences. My guess, though, is that he knowingly swam too close, being complacent about the danger it possessed. Otherwise, his friends and collegues would have spoken up and said he didn't see it. Either way he encountered it, the lesson remains the same: do your best not to swim over top a ray. And you don't need to see the video for that - there is no additional educational enlightenment that would bring, just pain to his family in reminding them of the mistake he made and having to witness the last horrible, pain-filled seconds of his life. I'm very saddened by his death and hope his kids won't be subjected to a cyber freak-show for the rest of their lives."...I've learned that while the "needs" in life are important (food, water, shelter), it's the "wants" in life (ice cream, chocolate, sex) that make it worth the effort." Kbordson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 September 5, 2006 Hell yes. It was danger that the guy made his living on, why not show what it was that ended his career? It's probably not all that anyway.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #22 September 5, 2006 Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douva 0 #23 September 5, 2006 QuoteSo why would he want the camera man to continue to film? I am not saying that I am in favor of releasing it, as I stated above. Bobbi "If anything should happen, keep filming." doesn't mean the same as, "If I should die, publicly air the footage for my friends and family to see." If the stingray had stung him in the shoulder, I'm sure he'd be doing Larry King Live tonight and giving the play-by-play as we watched the footage. In that case he would have been glad his crew had kept filming. Also, it never hurts to have a video record of an incident, for purposes of investigation, assessing liability, etc. Wanting a record of something doesn't necessarily mean you want that record made public.I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #24 September 5, 2006 They post accidents on Americas Worst Police Chases where bodies are flung from cars off bridges and overpasses. They show terrorists beheading people. The news shows provide coverage of blood stains all over the sidewalk during the OJ trial. And they show burned and crispified flesh at the scenes of bombings and plane crashes. Why is this any different?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #25 September 5, 2006 Quote...Wanting a record of something doesn't necessarily mean you want that record made public. I like the way you said it better. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
