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kbordson 8
Yes.
It was up at the park and I was about 10. We were playing tag and I was intent on getting "home." I was running hard and fast and then a dog darted infront of me. I tried to hurdle him, but caught my foot and flipped a bit. Struck my head on the corner of a concrete base around the sandbox of the slide. Got a bit of a head injury (one of several growing up... ). I remember hitting the concrete, closed my eyes and then when I opened them again, I was watching the event from a different perspective. I was quite annoyed too, cuz the poor dog that I tripped over was being hit.... wasn't his fault, poor puppy... but I couldn't do anything. Just watch.
It was up at the park and I was about 10. We were playing tag and I was intent on getting "home." I was running hard and fast and then a dog darted infront of me. I tried to hurdle him, but caught my foot and flipped a bit. Struck my head on the corner of a concrete base around the sandbox of the slide. Got a bit of a head injury (one of several growing up... ). I remember hitting the concrete, closed my eyes and then when I opened them again, I was watching the event from a different perspective. I was quite annoyed too, cuz the poor dog that I tripped over was being hit.... wasn't his fault, poor puppy... but I couldn't do anything. Just watch.
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johnsw71 0
Yup, both on and off shrooms. I agree that they are closely related to lucid dreams (dreams where you are aware that you're dreaming and are in control) except that the one's I'd call "OBEs" always start with an incredible surge of vibrating energy (no, I was not using a dildo!) and there is usually an unbroken stream of consciousness from being awake to being in the "OBE realm", whereas lucid dreams usually start in a dream already in progress. I've done experiments where I would go places I had never been in the OBE and then go there afterwards for real to compare. I did that once in a youth hostel where I went down the hall in the OBE state and into a room I had not yet been in. When I woke up, I went into the room for real, but it was completely different from how it looked in the OBE state, which makes me wonder how "real" these experiences are. As to why over 50% of us have had them but it's never discussed at the DZ, I bet there are a lot of things we'd learn about each other if the discussions over beer covered more topics than sex and drinking! ;-)
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When I woke up, I went into the room for real, but it was completely different from how it looked in the OBE state, which makes me wonder how "real" these experiences are.
"Undeveloped lens of perception" ??
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johnsw71 0
I don' t think so. I purposely studied what the room looked like while I was there in the unconscious state with the idea that I would come back when I was awake to compare. So I memorized what kind of furniture was there and how it was layed out. It was totally different in the waking world. I'm pretty convinced that OBEs take place in our minds and that although they are a very different state of consciousness from dreaming, we are not actually outside of our bodies. There's clearly no way to know for sure -- that is just my personal conclusion after several years of experimenting with them and documenting my findings. (I have about 150 pages of journal entries documenting all of my lucid dream and OBE-like experiences). I'd be curious to know what others think about whether or not we're actually out of our bodies in this state of consciousness. Has anybody experienced the surges of vibrations I mentioned? It's really freaky.
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I don' t think so. I purposely studied what the room looked like while I was there in the unconscious state with the idea that I would come back when I was awake to compare. So I memorized what kind of furniture was there and how it was layed out. It was totally different in the waking world. I'm pretty convinced that OBEs take place in our minds and that although they are a very different state of consciousness from dreaming, we are not actually outside of our bodies. There's clearly no way to know for sure -- that is just my personal conclusion after several years of experimenting with them and documenting my findings. (I have about 150 pages of journal entries documenting all of my lucid dream and OBE-like experiences).
Very interesting stuff. Thanks for posting it.
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Has anybody experienced the surges of vibrations I mentioned?
Yes, I have.
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I'll check it out. Thanks.
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