Bull fighting

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This morning I was in the local bar having my usual morning coffee
an on the telly was a news report of yesterdays bullfighter getting gored. Before My brain could act I was shouting,
"Yeeeees que si muere". Luckly I'm known for my English eccentricity or I could of had problems.

No I did'nt really wish the person to die, I just wish they would ban bullfights


Edit: My bad spelling buged me.

Gone fishing

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I never really, understood all that 'macho' stuff connected with bull-fighting. It all seemed rather senseless. Dramatically killing a bull? I've watched films of bull-fights and have found myself laughing out loud when I see a bull fighter getting the short end of the 'deal'. I don't care for the way bulls are ridden in Mexico, either. The riders where long, very sharp spurs and jab those spurs into the ribs of the bull... so they don't fall off! Since you've pointed it out, it all seems sensless. BUT, it's 'tradition'. It's been done that way for all these years.


Chuck

[Andy_Copland 0]

Or setting the bulls horns on fire and watching it run around in a panic, thats my favourite part its really cool. But as you say, its "tradition."

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People aint made of nothin' but water and shit.

Until morale improves, the beatings will continue.

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I never really, understood all that 'macho' stuff connected with bull-fighting. It all seemed rather senseless. Dramatically killing a bull? I've watched films of bull-fights and have found myself laughing out loud when I see a bull fighter getting the short end of the 'deal'. I don't care for the way bulls are ridden in Mexico, either. The riders where long, very sharp spurs and jab those spurs into the ribs of the bull... so they don't fall off! Since you've pointed it out, it all seems sensless. BUT, it's 'tradition'. It's been done that way for all these years.


Chuck

Just to clarify a bit:
First I was born in and completely descend from Spain, which is where bull fighting originated and unfortunately still exists. I am not by any means a fan of bull fighting and agree with you that it is a barbaric sensless activity.
However, to clarify Mexico. They do not ride bulls there, that is an American tradition. They fight them there, as they were taught to do so by the Spanish. Unfortunately they did not learn how to run an otherwise orderly, first world country. But instead took some of the shameful traditions of Spain and ran with them.
Finally to address bull riding, the American tradition. I know a little something about this, as I have done it, see picture of me attached. First of all the spurs are NOT sharp. If you want, I can show you all my bull riding equipment. Next to get all tearful from a person riding a bull just shows a complete lack of understanding of the sport. A bull that is ridden can typically weigh from 1300 pounds (a very light one) to 2700 pounds. If you want to imagine how much a person riding a bull can hurt it. Picture a two year old child with dull spurs on his little boots and think how much he could hurt you. Also the stupid rumours about stuff being done to the bull's testicles to get him to buck are just that, stupid rumours, made by people who have no clue about the sport. It kind of reminds me of when we as skydivers role our eyes to a whuffo who says something stupid like somebody's shoot didn't open when they actually had a landing accident.

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[jheadley 0]

Bull fighting has a very interesting history. I can't say I completely understand it either, but I just spent some time in Spain and learned some about it, and watched one. It's actually pretty complicated. The Spanish actually don't consider it a sport, they consider it an art, like a play.

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It takes balls to be a matador. Sometimes the bull makes an ass of the matador.

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Or setting the bulls horns on fire and watching it run around in a panic, thats my favourite part its really cool. But as you say, its "tradition."

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I believe, I sense a bit of sarcasm. I agree! I think, setting a bull's horns on fire just to watch what he'll do is wrong. Some traditions, need to die a sudden death. Like circumcising women in some countries.


Chuck

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I never really, understood all that 'macho' stuff connected with bull-fighting. It all seemed rather senseless. Dramatically killing a bull? I've watched films of bull-fights and have found myself laughing out loud when I see a bull fighter getting the short end of the 'deal'. I don't care for the way bulls are ridden in Mexico, either. The riders where long, very sharp spurs and jab those spurs into the ribs of the bull... so they don't fall off! Since you've pointed it out, it all seems sensless. BUT, it's 'tradition'. It's been done that way for all these years.


Chuck

Just to clarify a bit:
First I was born in and completely descend from Spain, which is where bull fighting originated and unfortunately still exists. I am not by any means a fan of bull fighting and agree with you that it is a barbaric sensless activity.
However, to clarify Mexico. They do not ride bulls there, that is an American tradition. They fight them there, as they were taught to do so by the Spanish. Unfortunately they did not learn how to run an otherwise orderly, first world country. But instead took some of the shameful traditions of Spain and ran with them.
Finally to address bull riding, the American tradition. I know a little something about this, as I have done it, see picture of me attached. First of all the spurs are NOT sharp. If you want, I can show you all my bull riding equipment. Next to get all tearful from a person riding a bull just shows a complete lack of understanding of the sport. A bull that is ridden can typically weigh from 1300 pounds (a very light one) to 2700 pounds. If you want to imagine how much a person riding a bull can hurt it. Picture a two year old child with dull spurs on his little boots and think how much he could hurt you. Also the stupid rumours about stuff being done to the bull's testicles to get him to buck are just that, stupid rumours, made by people who have no clue about the sport. It kind of reminds me of when we as skydivers role our eyes to a whuffo who says something stupid like somebody's shoot didn't open when they actually had a landing accident.

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Whoa, there! I am fully aware of bull-riding in the U.S. Though I have never ridden a bull, I know U.S. bull riders and am well aware of their equipment. I know exactly, the type spurs they wear... that 'tickle' rather than gouge or harm the animal. I'm also aware of the stupid 'rumor' about the back cinch rope used. I watch the PBR on OLN, religiously. I'm also, a working cowboy. I made reference to the bull rides held in some of the little Border towns and in the 'interior' of Mexico where sharpened spurs are used. I've seen the videos... they've been shown on network T.V. Yes, they fight them there... it's a big deal in Mexico. I know of bull riders straight from Mexico, who learned to ride bulls IN Mexico.
A lot of care has been taken in this country toward bucking bulls! The treatment that 'Coyote', 'Hotel California', 'Little Yellow Jacket' (ret.) and all the others get is more than good. They get the best of everything. It's 'big' money. It's the riders that get the mis-treatment!
Also, I've worked bulls and been around them and know what they weigh from birth.


Chuck

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I'm also aware of the stupid 'rumor' about the back cinch rope used.
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I am not sure I understand your point here. Since you have been around the sport. I assume you know its called a flank and that it does not in any way touch the bull's genitalia. So I am confused with what you mean by this.
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I made reference to the bull rides held in some of the little Border towns and in the 'interior' of Mexico where sharpened spurs are used. I've seen the videos... they've been shown on network T.V.
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I have never heard of this practice but being that they have no issue with bull fights there, I don't doubt it to be possible.
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Bull fighting has a very interesting history. I can't say I completely understand it either, but I just spent some time in Spain and learned some about it, and watched one. It's actually pretty complicated. The Spanish actually don't consider it a sport, they consider it an art, like a play.

Art or a play it's barbaric, Just for those who don't know. Before the Matador kills the bull, the bull has been weakened by
a guy on a horse stabbing it repeatedly in the shoulder muscles, then another guy sticks up to six barbed spears into it's shoulders
finally the Matador prances around for a while, when the bull can no longer hold it's head up, He then tries to ram a curved sword
down through the shoulders an into the heart. I say tries because normally they botch it an the sword ends up in the lungs,
so the bull suffers choking on it's own blood until yet another guy comes an gives the coup de grace by stabbing the bull
through the third or fourth vertibrate. To add insult to injury the morons in the crowd wave white rags, wait for some undignified dignitary
to give the ok, an the bull gets one or two ears cut off.

The history of bullfighting goes back over two thousand years, imported to Spain by the Arabs refined by the Romans
then exported to south America,

The only reason it is'nt banned is because the governments do not have the balls to ban it.

Gone fishing

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I'm also aware of the stupid 'rumor' about the back cinch rope used.
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I am not sure I understand your point here. Since you have been around the sport. I assume you know its called a flank and that it does not in any way touch the bull's genitalia. So I am confused with what you mean by this.
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I made reference to the bull rides held in some of the little Border towns and in the 'interior' of Mexico where sharpened spurs are used. I've seen the videos... they've been shown on network T.V.
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I have never heard of this practice but being that they have no issue with bull fights there, I don't doubt it to be possible.
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I've heard that rope referred to both ways but, to be correct, you are right in reference to the flank.
Yeah, I've seen videos of riders jabbing their sharpened spurs into the ribs of the bull to keep the rider from falling off. With enough cerveza in them, some of the riders don't even use a bucking rope.
By the way, I wasn't mad or upset by anything you said.


Chuck

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