Icon134 0 #1 September 24, 2006 ok... that's a rather broad generalization... but I am constantly reminded why I would rather have a female dog whenever I watch my friends un-nutered male shiba inu. I swear the next time that little prick tries to mark some of my furniture I'm going to whip it out myself and pee all over him ... ok... I'm not really that pissed... but I really do think (and I tell my friends this regularly) that it is quite irresponsible of them to have him without fixing him. they always claim that "we might want to breed him someday" or "I've heard that it won't reduce his 'roaming' or 'marking' tendancies but at least if he does get out he won't be making illigitimate puppies with some other irresponsible owner... ok vent over... back to your normal business...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #2 September 24, 2006 What does Karma have to say about all this? Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1215 0 #3 September 24, 2006 Electrify something he likes to mark. A good jolt should teach him a lesson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #4 September 24, 2006 QuoteWhat does Karma have to say about all this? Karma's a girl and she's been fixed since well forever... so... she doesn't mark things... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImGunnaJump 0 #5 September 24, 2006 I've never heard of a shiba inu - is it a larger dog, like a husky?"...I've learned that while the "needs" in life are important (food, water, shelter), it's the "wants" in life (ice cream, chocolate, sex) that make it worth the effort." Kbordson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #6 September 24, 2006 QuoteWhat does Karma have to say about all this? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karma's a girl and she's been fixed since well forever... so... she doesn't mark things... Scott, Reading is fundamental. I did not ask if Karma marks anything. I just wanted to know her opinion on this other dog pissing all over her house. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #7 September 24, 2006 QuoteI've never heard of a shiba inu - is it a larger dog, like a husky?its a smallish dog (about 25 lbs) here's a picture: http://www.scottgunshell.com/KumaOrig.JPG and chris... karma more or less just kind of sniffs the "Spots" and moves on... she doesn't seem to care one way or another.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #8 September 24, 2006 They are a cousin to an Akita. They are smaller, but do not have little dog syndrome. I have a female that is fixed. They can be agressive, and like huskies tend to run. This breed is not for the faint of heart, but I can say from personal exp in the right hands are KICK ASS Dogs...!!! Oh I have a husky too She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akjmpplt 0 #9 September 24, 2006 QuoteElectrify something he likes to mark. A good jolt should teach him a lesson. The dog is just doing dog stuff. Electrify the toilet to give the owners a jolt and teach them a lesson. SmugMug Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImGunnaJump 0 #10 September 24, 2006 Scott, thanks for the pic. ------------------------------------------------------------ eeneR: I LOVE huskies - my family had one for 13yrs. He had to be put to sleep a couple yrs. ago. due to old age/inability to walk anymore...he was suffering. But OMG, talk about running! If he got loose, you couldn't catch him, unless you got extremely lucky, until he was tired. He was incredibly stubborn when he didn't want to do something, but also incredibly sweet tempered at the same time. Very good around kids - all the neighborhood kids around my mom's house loved him. Good to know you understand the breeds"...I've learned that while the "needs" in life are important (food, water, shelter), it's the "wants" in life (ice cream, chocolate, sex) that make it worth the effort." Kbordson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #11 September 24, 2006 My sister has an Akita. I love that dog! He is so friendly and does not know his own weight. When he greets you, he puts his front paws on your shoulders to lick your face and you find yourself pinned to the wall.Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eeneR 3 #12 September 24, 2006 QuoteScott, thanks for the pic. ------------------------------------------------------------ eeneR: I LOVE huskies - my family had one for 13yrs. He had to be put to sleep a couple yrs. ago. due to old age/inability to walk anymore...he was suffering. But OMG, talk about running! If he got loose, you couldn't catch him, unless you got extremely lucky, until he was tired. He was incredibly stubborn when he didn't want to do something, but also incredibly sweet tempered at the same time. Very good around kids - all the neighborhood kids around my mom's house loved him. Good to know you understand the breeds Both my dogs are rescues. The Shiba I got at 4 months after a shit ton of research. Fell in love with the breed...Got her thru Obedience training and into Agility. I managed to get her titlled NA, and NAJ in AKC and had a bunch of competition legs in a few of the other venues before I had to retire her due to bad knees. On the circuit I was know as the "Crazy lady with the Shiba" for the first year. The second year that changed when we started kicking all of there asses and taking names LOL. The Husky was rescued at 9 months from a humane society that I was working at. He was brought in from animal control, ready to be put down. The prior owners kept him in a back yard, and he kept getting out. Well I was one of 6 people at that shelter before he was even fully processed that wanted him. Having experince training known running dogs I got him. I have not lost him for more then 2 min. He still likes to run, and when he does get free, I jut drop down on one knee, call him and he comes hauling ass back to me. I spent a ton of time working with both dogs and I am spoiled rotten by them, they dont bark they dont chew, they are absolute angels...She is not a "Dumb Blonde" - She is a "Light-Haired Detour Off The Information Superhighway." eeneR TF#72, FB#4130, Incauto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImGunnaJump 0 #13 September 24, 2006 QuoteBut the biggest thing with these breeds is NOT LETTING THEM INTO A BAD SITUATION. I spent a ton of time working with both dogs and I am spoiled rotten by them, they dont bark they dont chew, they are absolute angels You are absolutely right. My brothers bought this dog from a pet store when they still lived at home, and had no clue about the breed when they got him. All they knew was that "he looked so cool", which he did, but that's beside the point. To make a long story short, after he died one of my brothers and I were talking about all the mistakes made with Kita (his name - we've been talking about akitas and didn't want to confuse). And it all came down to not understanding the breed and keeping him out of situations where he would likely mess up."...I've learned that while the "needs" in life are important (food, water, shelter), it's the "wants" in life (ice cream, chocolate, sex) that make it worth the effort." Kbordson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #14 September 24, 2006 Be honest Scott........Karma's getting some and you're not.......now you're jealous."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #15 September 24, 2006 QuoteBe honest Scott........Karma's getting some and you're not.......now you're jealous. ok... now you need to learn that fundamental skill of reading... Karma's not getting any... karma's never getting any... Karma is gender neutral... and will always be gender neutral... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #16 September 24, 2006 Cruelty to animals..........It should be a requirment that people that spay or neuter their pets, have the same operation perfomed on themselves."No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1215 0 #17 September 24, 2006 Not sure about that Stitch. My cat was spayed before I got her (confirmed by the vet). It's far more pleasant to not have her not going into heat with horny toms staking out my place. In case you haven't realized, there are far more pets than there are homes for them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #18 September 24, 2006 QuoteBe honest Scott........Karma's getting some and you're not.......now you're jealous. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ok... now you need to learn that fundamental skill of reading... Karma's not getting any... karma's never getting any... Karma is gender neutral... and will always be gender neutral... You've got it Grasshopper. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #19 September 24, 2006 Shiba Inus are a pain in the ass, we have a 9 year old female. As far as owners not having their dog neutered being irresponsible, I don't think it's irresponsible if you're not letting your dog run around the neighborhood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #20 September 24, 2006 QuoteShiba Inus are a pain in the ass, we have a 9 year old female. As far as owners not having their dog neutered being irresponsible, I don't think it's irresponsible if you're not letting your dog run around the neighborhood. I agree but he is an escape artist (known for getting through fences) and has managed to get out their yard and thus was in fact roaming around the neighborhood. Fixing him should help reduce his desire to mark (though it may not stop completely) and also should reduce his desire to escape to soe his "royal oats) Oh, and stitch hush about me spading my dog... it is not cruel, it is responsible... especially considering that Karma is already a mutt and thus the product of a somewhat irresponsible owner (or should I say two irresponsible owners) Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #21 September 24, 2006 QuoteShiba Inus are a pain in the ass, we have a 9 year old female. As far as owners not having their dog neutered being irresponsible, I don't think it's irresponsible if you're not letting your dog run around the neighborhood. I'll politely disagree. Spaying/neutering your animal can save it from various cancers, tumors, reproductive issues, etc. AMVA Spaying/Neutering FAQ Dogs Letting children see the miracle of birth is NOT a good reason to breed your dog; only serious breeders who have the desire, expertise, and time to breed well should breed at all. If you don't plan to breed, spay or neuter your puppy. Spaying your female dog can help to prevent cancers of the reproductive tract, including breast cancer, and will decrease the incidence of reproductive infections. Neutering your male dog will prevent testicular cancer and can decrease the incidence of prostate problems. The incidence of certain behavioral problems has also been shown to be reduced when dogs are spayed or neutered. The decision to spay or neuter your puppy is one of the best decisions you can make for its well-being. Your veterinarian can discuss with you its benefits and the best time to schedule the procedure. Cats The decision to breed a cat is not one to be taken lightly. Thousands of cats are euthanized each year simply because there aren't enough homes for them. If you don't plan to breed your cat as an adult, spay or neuter your kitten. Spaying and neutering decrease incidence of some tumors and reproductive infections, both of which require more serious (and costly) surgical procedures. A male cat must be neutered if it will be a housepet because the strong urine odor of unneutered males will make your cat an unacceptable housemate. Discuss with your veterinarian the most appropriate time to spay or neuter your kitten.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #22 September 25, 2006 QuoteI'll politely disagree. Spaying/neutering your animal can save it from various cancers, tumors, reproductive issues, etc. yeah... that too... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #23 September 25, 2006 Trust me fixing a dominant dog does not stop the marking, Sherpa peed on Derek's leg at obedience class once when he was petting this sweet little golden retriever. I have a head strong Belgian, and trust me they aren't for the faint of heart either. Eener have you met Sherpa on your trips to CO?Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #24 September 25, 2006 Yup, agree with you and Cora. Depending on the age of the dog, even getting fixed now may not stop him from wanting to get out of the backyard. It might just be habit now, and some behavior modifications might have to come into the picture. BTW, what do your friends say when the male dog starts making in the house? Next time they come over, tell them that the dog has to either stay in their car or your backyard because he can't seem to control himself.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #25 September 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteShiba Inus are a pain in the ass, we have a 9 year old female. As far as owners not having their dog neutered being irresponsible, I don't think it's irresponsible if you're not letting your dog run around the neighborhood. I'll politely disagree. Spaying/neutering your animal can save it from various cancers, tumors, reproductive issues, etc. AMVA Spaying/Neutering FAQ Dogs Letting children see the miracle of birth is NOT a good reason to breed your dog; only serious breeders who have the desire, expertise, and time to breed well should breed at all. If you don't plan to breed, spay or neuter your puppy. Spaying your female dog can help to prevent cancers of the reproductive tract, including breast cancer, and will decrease the incidence of reproductive infections. Neutering your male dog will prevent testicular cancer and can decrease the incidence of prostate problems. The incidence of certain behavioral problems has also been shown to be reduced when dogs are spayed or neutered. The decision to spay or neuter your puppy is one of the best decisions you can make for its well-being. Your veterinarian can discuss with you its benefits and the best time to schedule the procedure. Cats The decision to breed a cat is not one to be taken lightly. Thousands of cats are euthanized each year simply because there aren't enough homes for them. If you don't plan to breed your cat as an adult, spay or neuter your kitten. Spaying and neutering decrease incidence of some tumors and reproductive infections, both of which require more serious (and costly) surgical procedures. A male cat must be neutered if it will be a housepet because the strong urine odor of unneutered males will make your cat an unacceptable housemate. Discuss with your veterinarian the most appropriate time to spay or neuter your kitten. Can it help prevent certain medical issues? Sure it can, and I agree with you and know that already; but I still don't think not having your pet spayed or neutered is *irresponsible*. I don't know what word would be better suited to describe it, but I don't think it's "irresponsible". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
