Scoop 0 #1 November 3, 2006 Ok, I'm just about to learn Ju Jitsu (Hakuda Ryu), bit later in life than most people to learn a martial art but I've always fancied it but never taken the plunge. Been browsing around trying to learn more and found this. This guy is pretty impressive Sensei Corbell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #2 November 3, 2006 Bless you (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #4 November 3, 2006 Looks good...striking, clinching, takedowns, escapes and groundfighting...covers all the bases. Have fun!-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #5 November 3, 2006 Jiu Jitsu is a pretty solid martial art. The issue I have with it is that it's not the best to use if you have multiple opponents because grappling arts demand more time used than striking arts. If you've got one opponent, grappling them into submission might be a good way to go. If you've got two opponents, it's probably in your best interest to use strikes instead of grappling, because it keeps your hands and feet free to deal with both. Which takes longer? - grappling/wrestling someone into submission, or just giving them a solid reverse punch to the throat and then dealing with the guy coming up behind you? (note: I'm talking about a life threatening situation. don't use throat strikes unless you intend to kill). If you're looking for a sport, jiu jitsu is great. However, as a street art, I believe that its weakness against multiple opponents outweighs its strengths. When I was training regularly, we had quite a few excellent jiu jitsu guys, who realized the weakness the art has against multiple opponents come into our studio to learn striking for exactly that reason. Grappling has its place, but you can pretty much always use a striking based system wherever you could use a grappling based system, but you can't always use a grappling based system in every situation that you can use a striking based system. Basically, you can almost always strike when you can grapple, but you can't always grapple where you can strike. Striking probably saved my life in a situation where grappling probably wouldn't have. Grappling based systems can have a lot of benefit, but they're not as flexible as striking based systems. edited to add: I'm guessing that you don't have prior experience with martial arts in general, or jiu jitsu specifically, so head over to www.martialtalk.com and ask questions. Ask about the instructor, because a good website doesn't mean that the instructor is a good teacher or an honest guy, and people in that community will be able to tell you about the instructor's reputation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeakMindedFool 0 #6 November 3, 2006 Quote If you're looking for a sport, jiu jitsu is great. However, as a street art, I believe that its weakness against multiple opponents outweighs its strengths. What is a street art? I have yet to find a martial art that teaches people to be good fighters. It can teach a fighter to be a better fighter, they don't teach you how to be a good fighter. I agree that balance is the key. A mixed background is best if your going to be throwing down for real, but you have to start with someone who can actually fight. Martial arts are all great sports...but for most they are just sports. I used to prefer to strike as well (I hate rolling around in alleys and parking lots) and grappling with one when there is three opponents is a great way to get kicked in the head. If you do kempo do you have weapons training? That is the shit for multiple opponents! Improvised weapons work just as good at inflicting pain as one you can buy...they just aren't a flashy.Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #7 November 3, 2006 I do Kenpo, and yes, I have weapons training. I consider American Kenpo a street art, mainly because it was specifically designed for the street and geared towards defending against techniques commonly used by attackers. Pure kenpo probably saved my life when I was attacked, and without that training, things probably wouldn't have worked out in my favor. In most kenpo schools, "sparring" isn't the focus of training. Self defense techniques are the focus, and kenpo specifically trains reactions to attacks. Kenpo (at least the way it was designed and taught by Mr. Parker) is street first, sport second, and many other arts put sports and tournaments first, and true self-defense second. I've seen a lot of sport fighters who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag on the street, and a lot of really skilled street fighters who get their tails kicked in tournaments (mainly because their main strikes and techniques aren't legal in tournaments). There's a huge difference between a "martial art" and a "martial sport" and a lot of it really depends on what the school chooses to focus on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WeakMindedFool 0 #8 November 3, 2006 Couldn't agree more. My biggest obstacle has always been fighting within the rules. An oxymoron if there ever was one. I think that the school is important but would argue the individual and their head space is of paramount importance.Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for lost faith in ourselves. -Eric Hoffer - Check out these Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murrays 0 #9 November 3, 2006 To add to the above comments and observations regarding multiple opponents and weapons...Filipino Martial Arts FMA would be worth investigating. They are weapons based and deal with multiple opponents as well. The empty hand techniques are pretty much the same as the techniques used if you have a knife or stick in your hands....so what you learn is applicable to armed and unarmed situations. Here is an outline of the techniques taught by an FMA school in Calgary. (I was fortunate to attend a seminar by the school's founder, Guru Dan Rutano, this past summer...it was very impressive) Lots of possibilities...you'll be better off whatever you do. Have fun!!-- Murray "No tyranny is so irksome as petty tyranny: the officious demands of policemen, government clerks, and electromechanical gadgets." - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #10 November 3, 2006 Nightingale, You didn't seem to be the most bad-ass, karate chick from my brief meeting of you at the Byron Boogie. Do you by chance have some video you can post/link to to demonstrate? The guy in an office around the corner from me is a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt in Budo - has had a lot of weapons training. During a group lunch presentation (a "fun" presentation - I did one and unpacked/packed my canopy during mine), he showed some video of him sparring and such. Looked almost as cool as skydiving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #11 November 3, 2006 Arent you a police officer? If so I think jujitsu will suit you nicely or find someone who teaches mixed martial arts.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #12 November 4, 2006 QuoteNightingale, You didn't seem to be the most bad-ass, karate chick from my brief meeting of you at the Byron Boogie. Do you by chance have some video you can post/link to to demonstrate? The guy in an office around the corner from me is a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt in Budo - has had a lot of weapons training. During a group lunch presentation (a "fun" presentation - I did one and unpacked/packed my canopy during mine), he showed some video of him sparring and such. Looked almost as cool as skydiving. I don't have any video, since it's been about five years since I was competing, so if there was any, I wouldn't even know who to ask for it, but here's a photo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #13 November 4, 2006 QuoteArent you a police officer? If so I think jujitsu will suit you nicely or find someone who teaches mixed martial arts. Yeah and going full time soon Having done some research now I realise that quite a few of the takedown techniques we learnt are lifted from Ju Jitsu. People that say its useless on the street are wrong, if you can walk away with one technique that works for you, just one and you can apply it in the heat of the moment, thats priceless. I've struggled trying to apply techniques on the street only to lose control, disengage and escalate my use of force. Be nicer and safer for everyone if you can get someone down and establish that control promptly. Plus it looks like damn good fun and obviously be good for fitness Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stewie 0 #14 November 4, 2006 Krav Maga is an excellent discipline for real world use, too. However, at the end of the day the fighting spirit, the will to win, and your brain are what matter most. Whatever discipline you choose, enjoy your training! "Fuck that. I'll take a good ass-pounding over a bj any day." -- pyrotech Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woodpecker 0 #15 November 4, 2006 I studied "BOJO NINJITSU" for 13 years if you need some help scoop. Its not the same, but shares some of the ideas and Ju Jitsu. When you make it down to Buckey I'll help you out. SONIC WOODY #146 There is a fine line between cockiness and confidence -- which side of the line are you on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #16 November 5, 2006 *gulp* ok, be gentle with me though, its my first time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
