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The little contraption thing for Sawyer to get fed was a little silly.

That was apparently in a zoo cage as an experiment to teach an animal how to get food for himself. You push the button on the wall, and then that paddle thing dangling from the ceiling. Do that in the correct order, and a biscuit is dispensed.

Later on in the show after Sawyer finally figured it out after a day of much trial and tribulation, the captor came by and commented snidely: "It only took the bears two hours to figure that out." Ha!

So now maybe the humans are the experiment, which were previously trial run with animals?

[sunshine 2]

Last night was alright, nothing too great. I mean they left out all the characters still on the other side of the island. It also made me think of the movie The Village when it showed the Others before the plane crash.

But the writers have definitely changed since whatever the original idea was. Where are the polar bears? And the other magical things?

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The little contraption thing for Sawyer to get fed was a little silly.

That was apparently in a zoo cage as an experiment to teach an animal how to get food for himself. You push the button on the wall, and then that paddle thing dangling from the ceiling. Do that in the correct order, and a biscuit is dispensed.

Later on in the show after Sawyer finally figured it out after a day of much trial and tribulation, the captor came by and commented snidely: "It only took the bears two hours to figure that out." Ha!

So now maybe the humans are the experiment, which were previously trial run with animals?

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But the writers have definitely changed since whatever the original idea was. Where are the polar bears? And the other magical things?

I've been asking the same questions. What happened to whatever was making the T-Rex noise and the mystery smoke that hauled people away? I think the zoo sort of answers where the polar bear came from, but that's merely one small answer in an ever-increasing number of questions.

I will say this, however: it's having the effect the producers want. It's being talked about ALL OVER the Internets.

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I think the zoo sort of answers where the polar bear came from

Good point. Polar Bears come from zoos. Hehe. Overall i'm still disappointed a bit. Lost is no longer one of my MUST SEE shows. If i'm home, i watch. If i'm not home, i won't bother taping it.

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But the writers have definitely changed since whatever the original idea was. Where are the polar bears? And the other magical things?

I've been asking the same questions. What happened to whatever was making the T-Rex noise and the mystery smoke that hauled people away? I think the zoo sort of answers where the polar bear came from, but that's merely one small answer in an ever-increasing number of questions.

I will say this, however: it's having the effect the producers want. It's being talked about ALL OVER the Internets.

The black smoke was the monster. More of that to come soon.
The polar bears will be in episodes very soon.
Did you notice the music at the begginning was very similar to desmonds music at the opening of season 2.

I see that the 'others' are the good guys and the losties are the bad guys.

Locke, ha a big mission in front of him again and will be back to the same old locke we all know, seems they might not be on an island.

Did you notice the earthquake was the magnet, back when desmond missed the buzzer and countdown, that was when the magnet went off and the bought the plane down, that was also what they showed as an earthquake.

from the spoilers i have read this season will be very interesting. Only three more seasons to go until we find the real answers though

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[bigway 4]

The new must see show starts soon, saw the pilot, it is called 'traveller'.... looks really bloddy good.

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[Zenister 0]

"Plot twist by committee" is a piss poor way of writing anything even remotely good..

the only thing keeping this show going is the Hype machine and the Public's gullability..


dont expect any answers.. there never were any good questions to begin with, they didnt have a good story arc when they started, and its only gotten worse since..... another fine example of how little talent is required to write for television audiences...

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"Plot twist by committee" is a piss poor way of writing anything even remotely good..

the only thing keeping this show going is the Hype machine and the Public's gullability..


dont expect any answers.. there never were any good questions to begin with, they didnt have a good story arc when they started, and its only gotten worse since..... another fine example of how little talent is required to write for television audiences...

Oh, I don't know about that. There's something to be said for the Chris Carter method of story telling. You know, tell 'em just enough to keep 'em interested, and never, EVER show the monsters/aliens/oddities in broad daylight. It's still somewhat intriguing to me, mainly because I never watch television except for this show.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but when the story was more character driven, when we knew little about these people except the basics that kept them alive and together, we yearned for more. Now that we're delving deeper into the psyche and motivation of each character, we're losing interest. Familiarity, with these character, breeds contempt.

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That was apparently in a zoo cage as an experiment to teach an animal how to get food for himself. You push the button on the wall, and then that paddle thing dangling from the ceiling. Do that in the correct order, and a biscuit is dispensed.

Later on in the show after Sawyer finally figured it out after a day of much trial and tribulation, the captor came by and commented snidely: "It only took the bears two hours to figure that out." Ha!

Thank you, Captain Obvious. (teasing) That is what I thought was silly.

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So now maybe the humans are the experiment, which were previously trial run with animals?

I definitely think humans are being experimented on, on the island. I don't think all of the experiments which seem to be taking place conducted by the Others were originally run on animals.

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Where are the polar bears? And the other magical things?

Exactly.

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Did you notice the music at the begginning was very similar to desmonds music at the opening of season 2

Yes! I noticed that. And also Juliet seemed a little wigged out.

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Maybe I'm missing something here, but when the story was more character driven, when we knew little about these people except the basics that kept them alive and together, we yearned for more. Now that we're delving deeper into the psyche and motivation of each character, we're losing interest. Familiarity, with these character, breeds contempt
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We were shown backstory on the characters in Season 1, elaborated on them in Season 2, and so far we find Jack was obsessed with a cheating wife. Thats just about everybody who thinks they're being cheated on. Not Interesting. Where's Echo and Locke and Hurley? Didn't they send Hurley back with a warning? Or did I just forget?

What I did find interesting was where the Others put the Losties: Kate was objectified and made pretty..Jack was put in an aquarium (he WAS a big fish on the other side of the whatever this thing is), and Sawyer ends up in a cage.
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There's something to be said for the Chris Carter method of story telling.
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Sure is, and its this: tell them the truth is out there, make enough money, hold the carrot just THAT far away from the viewers nose, then leave them with nothing. The X-files got screwed up becaue they ran off telling stories and forgot there was supposed to be a 'truth'. As for Chris Carter, I'm calling him a One Trick Phony:

Anything else, Chris?

I liked Lost and I thought the story was going some where, not EVERY where. Bleah~~April

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[tigra 0]

I don't think the "others" are the good guys or the "lost-a-ways" are bad. This season, they're just making it more clear that the others aren't ALL bad. The remaining lostaways were never really protrayed as being ALL good. They're all damaged in one way or another. Still, I think I liked the show better when the island was a metaphor for purgatory instead of some gigantic over-reaching social experiment.

And yeah, I'll still watch next Wednesday!

And did you catch that Jack was responsible for his father falling OFF the wagon-which also makes him responsible for his drinking himself to death? (At least in Jack's eyes?)

[bigway 4]

Did you notice that jack and claire are half brother/sisters? jacks father is claire's father.

Did you also notice that jacks father use to call ana lucia 'sarah'.

Jacks fathers body was also taken when they crashed, or maybe it was never on the plane, or hell maybe he aint dead.

Think you will also find lockes father to be the 'real' sawyer. I think lockes father is the man that killed sawyers parents.

Jack is offered something soon in an episode that is so big he will stay with the 'others' so i have heard. I wonder if this is his father alive?

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Yeah- I got the Claire thing from last year. All the characters seem to be inter-connected. But I thought the Jack thing was interesting- a semi legit reason for his guilt and angst. Kate and Sawyer both killed people pretty much in cold blood. Up until now, Jack's "crimes" were being a bad husband and turning his drunk dad in to the medical board. Not really enough to make him the morose, guilt ridden guy he is. The fact that his obsession with his wife caused him to burst into his father's AA meeting, scream at him and cause him to fall off the wagon and kill a patient on the operating table, lose his license and go off to Australia to drink himself to death- well- that's a little more guilt and angst worthy!

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Yeah- I got the Claire thing from last year. All the characters seem to be inter-connected. But I thought the Jack thing was interesting- a semi legit reason for his guilt and angst. Kate and Sawyer both killed people pretty much in cold blood. Up until now, Jack's "crimes" were being a bad husband and turning his drunk dad in to the medical board. Not really enough to make him the morose, guilt ridden guy he is. The fact that his obsession with his wife caused him to burst into his father's AA meeting, scream at him and accuse his dad of sleeping with his wife and cause his dad to fall off the wagon after killing a patient on the operating table, lose his license then go off to Australia to drink himself to death- well- that's a little more guilt and angst worthy!

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I tend to watch week by week and when I can't keep up, I buy the season box set and watch it in 3 hour sets. Some 45 min episodes are amazing, but LOST usually needs a 3 episode arc to complete a tale.

The airplane survivors are villans. Most of season 1 & 2 are spent finding thin lines of sympathy for characters that are all shades of grey.

Lost has more depth than you may suspect.

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The airplane survivors are villans. Most of season 1 & 2 are spent finding thin lines of sympathy for characters that are all shades of grey.

Lost has more depth than you may suspect.

I tend to agree with this sentiment, especially after watching Michael sacrifice six other lives to save his son, to include killing two of them in cold blood. Now, I know I'm not a parent, so I don't know what I would and would not do to save my child, but it seems a bit evil to think that it's okay to kill as many people of relatively unknown backgrounds and origins as you need in pursuit of what YOU want. But that's just me.

You're right, it almost as if the show has been trying its best to find ways to make you feel sorry for the survivors...as if to leave you totally unprepared when they do drop the ball on the true nature of these people.

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Well, I figured Jack's dad would have lost his license for good if he killed a patient on the table because he was drunk. That's why I assumed the flashback took place BEFORE he killed the patient, and that killing the patient and losing his license were the catalyst that sent him to Australia. It makes it even more tragic that way too.

I'm not sure they are ALL villains, but there sure was an unusually large number of killers and bad guys on that plane! What makes them NOT villains is the fact that most of them are haunted by their past and what they've done- but of course, that's the hook to the show.

Here's a question for you though- I just popped in the first of my Season 2 dvds and watched the Dharma Orientation film again. Could the couple that started the "experiment" be NotHenry and Juliet???

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Here's a question for you though- I just popped in the first of my Season 2 dvds and watched the Dharma Orientation film again. Could the couple that started the "experiment" be NotHenry and Juliet???

Didn't Ben(ry) say something along the lines of "I've lived on this island my whole life"? As in, maybe he was born there to the people who DID start it? I mean, there's a whole lot of research project across both(!) islands for the amount of people in the "Others" camp. In perusing the season 2 DVDs, did you see the Dharma logo on the shark's tail in the episode where Michael and James (Sawyer) are floating back on the remains of their raft? And isn't Jack being held captive in an old aquarium?

As an aside, I take it that we've dispensed with the whole "monster in the jungle" thing with the revelation of the smoke-based "security system"? That was resolution for that question like the word "magic" was when you asked your parents how certain things worked as a kid.

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Jack's in an old aquarium, and Benry did say he'd been on the island his whole life, so yes, now I think he may be the son of the couple who started it. I'm also wondering if there are other "others"- the barefoot people they showed sneaking through the jungle last season- perhaps children of previous experiment subjects whom Benry and company don't feel are "worthy" of their society?

And have we seen the last of Michael and Walt? It would have been interesting to explore Walt and his "gifts" a little bit more.

[McDuck 0]

It seems like they're wussing out on maintaining the story arcs that require some maintenance. The jungle monster, for instance. I'm not satisfied with the smoke critter abduction device. But I think it was becoming more trouble than it was worth to the crew to keep that one alive. Same goes for characters who have complications like asthma or "gifts" that are going to take a while to explain without being too terribly cheesy about it. It's almost as if the third season is the beginning of the cop-out. I still love the show, but things are being tidied up in a very slipshod manner, in my estimation.

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I dont watch the show at all, but from reading some of the posts you guys put up about it.
It would seem to be a less comedic version of Gilligans Island

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[bigway 4]

the smoke is the monster, it portrays what people are scared of. Each person sees something different in the smoke. the gifts are an on going story. We find out that there are no gifts soo, you watch. jin is not the father, locke loses his legs again and that lady rose will die.
There are 3 more seasons to go so it will take time but i feel they are answering alot of tings, you just need to look closer.

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