payback462 0 #1 March 10, 2007 ok, so i was asked to give a safety day seminar tomorrow on packing/gear maintenance. and i kinda forgot about it until today when they posted the schedule for tomorrow. im trying to make an outline of shit that i should go over, but i honestly cant think of anything right now. any ideas on what i should/shouldnt cover? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #2 March 10, 2007 one of the things i think is important, and im drawing a blank right now too. When packing, all lines especially the brake lines and d lines should be right down the middle to prevent lineovers. A lot of people i've seen packing is careless and some don't even know. BOC maintenance is huge too. Hope this lil bit helps man sorry for not sharing more. Pulling the kill line instead of the hackey is good too. That is just useless wear on the pilot chute. good lick bro joeldon't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #3 March 10, 2007 QuotePulling the kill line instead of the hackey is good too. That is just useless wear on the pilot chute. If you don't pull it super fast, I wouldn't think it should cause wear on the PC. A few items that I think are abuse of rigs: Standing them on their yoke (bad for rig and AAD), and using your feet to push against the bottom of a rig as you pull on the pull up cord. Both of these are common among packers. Also, a lot of people don't have their slinks oriented with the tab in the riser, and everyone should examine the condition of their soft links, obviously a current issue with the recent fatality. The condition of the white loop of the 3-ring is often ignored.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenneth21441 0 #4 March 10, 2007 Just the top of the subject: I would cover 3 ring maintance (turning of the rings to prevent ware on just one area)(Ive seen a few rigs that this was not done and the rings are now somewht egg shaped... on a personal note Il always turn mine about every few jumps), riser bendng and twisting at least once a month (preventing nylon forming one sharpe), lubrication/ cleaning of the cutaway cables when replacing them back in place, Gear inspection of 3 ring, proper pin placement (on main and reserve), buckle (metal hardware) inspection for cracks, rust, even have them move the webbing that is routed throught the buckles to check that webbing are for ware, checking to get reid of twist in the control lines when repacking-at least every jump or every so offten to prevent ware and tare on the line, etc,..Also cover what damages can occur if you do not place the hook and pile tape back together after jumping..IE.. hook can damage nylon webbing and gather crap like grass, and all those other things. Hope that this information helps,.... Just some information. thanks, kenKenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndreLapointe 0 #5 March 10, 2007 Pull-outs are still misunderstood by many. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #6 March 10, 2007 Did you check out the stuff on the USPA site about Safety Day?"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bofh 0 #7 March 10, 2007 Quoteon a personal note Il always turn mine about every few jumps) I'm not a rigger, but some riggers I've talked to claim they've seen more wear at the risers from people turning their rings at every jump than wear on the rings from people not turning them. Personaly I only turn them when it is time for flexing the rings. After 500 jumps on the risers, I can't see any wear on either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #8 March 10, 2007 QuoteJust the top of the subject: I would cover 3 ring maintance (turning of the rings to prevent ware on just one area)(Ive seen a few rigs that this was not done and the rings are now somewht egg shaped.. The physics of the forces would not do this unless you mean the the main harness ring, which one can't turn on modern gear. take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenneth21441 0 #9 March 10, 2007 ive got two sets of risers that have been turned into some what egg shape from not ever being turned.this is the middle ring or bottom ring on the riser...... just turn it a little to make sure that it moves freely and no grass or other things are stuck between the rings..... and done this once a month or so depending on use.... ken..Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #10 March 10, 2007 Quoteive got two sets of risers that have been turned into some what egg shape from not ever being turned.this is the middle ring or bottom ring on the riser...... just turn it a little to make sure that it moves freely and no grass or other things are stuck between the rings..... and done this once a month or so depending on use.... ken.. Are you sure? Comments from Bill Booth: -from http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=995974#995974 Spinning the rings was never necessary. All you do when you spin the rings, is put salt from your hands on the hardware. By the way, each opening rotates the rings a little anyway. If you will look at cadmium plated middle rings with over 100 jumps on them, you will see a slight "compression" of the plating evenly all around the "back" side of the ring. Flexing the webbing was a good idea when we used 1 3/4" Type 12 webbing to attach the smallest ring on "large" 3-ring systems. (We've used 1" square weave for over 20 years now.) On mini-rings, flexing the webbing was never really necessary. We left it in the generic 3-ring instructions only because not all risers are made with the correct webbings, and it doesn't hurt anyway. - from http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1704668#1704668 Go ahead and play with your stainless steel riser rings if you must (I do). It won't do any good, but the oil or sweat on your hands won't hurt stainless. By the way, riser rings, when loaded toward failure, "potato chip", they do not "oval". In every case I've seen (with type 17, 1" risers), the riser webbing fails before the rings are damaged. The harness ring, which you can't rotate, is the only ring that will oval. We did have a problem with large (RW-1) harness rings which the manufacturer fail to heat treat, but that was back in 1981."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base283 0 #11 March 10, 2007 Quoteive got two sets of risers that have been turned into some what egg shape from not ever being turned.this is the middle ring or bottom ring on the riser...... They would be egg shape from something else. I would recommend you send them in to get a technical opinion on them and then publish your findings. Post fotos or better yet send them (risers) to me and I will bring it to the attention of the top riggers here in Europe. This situation you speak of is unheard of as far as I know. You're maybe on to something here. PM me. take care, space Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #12 March 11, 2007 If the rings themselves have become elongated, this is a VERY serious issue. It is certainly not due to never having been turned as part of routine maintenance. DO NOT JUMP THEM. Have the entire rig, and risers inspected carefully. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
