mamajumps 0 #1 February 25, 2007 I just purchased an older vector II rig with a raider 175 main. I don't know anything about this canopy other than that it is a 9 cell f-111 canopy. Would those of you who have expierence with this canopy. please post your expierences. I've been skydiving since 2003 but have low jump numbers due to kids and family etc... I am approx 155 out the door... if I did my math right, it would be a .88 wing loading... thanks for any advice! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrBrant 0 #2 February 25, 2007 um, wasn't the Raider only a 220 sq. ft? I know Glide Path (Flight Concepts?) used to call the same canopy different names depending on its size (Raider, Clipper, Manta, wildfire?, etc.) - i thought the Raider was the 220 version of thier 9-cell F-111 line. Hopefully somebody can confirm, or correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mamajumps 0 #3 February 25, 2007 Thats what I thought however, when the master rigger at Lodi examined this for the seller (who is a non skydiver) that is what he told her???? Im really not sure what I am getting, but for what I paid it is a killer deal.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RkyMtnHigh 0 #4 February 26, 2007 Last time I saw you, you are sooo petite..I can't imagine you under a 175....that's even large for me and I'm a big girl much taller and larger bone than you...hmmm...when I see you this coming weekend, I'll reevaluate _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrBrant 0 #5 February 26, 2007 QuoteI am approx 155 out the door... if I did my math right, it would be a .88 wing loading... thanks for any advice! QuoteLast time I saw you, you are sooo petite..I can't imagine you under a 175....that's even large for me I don't know if I'd want to load a baffed-out F-111 canopy much over 0.9:1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #6 February 26, 2007 From Flight Concepts web page Wildfire 170 170 6.5 386 187 LBS. Clipper 195 195 7.4 398 215 LBS. Raider 220 220 8.3 445 242 LBS. Maverone 250 9.5 562 275 LBS. Manta 290 290 11 570 319 LBS. Man-O-War 320 320 12.1 590 352 LBS. None of what you were told makes sense. A Raider is 220, nothing is 175. Pull it out and look on the label. It may be on the tail or by the pilot chute attachment. If it's something like 175, it may be pretty small for you. Especially if it's got more than a couple of hundred jumps. If it truely is 220, then it will be a little big for you unless it's wore out. No matter what a future transition to a zp canopy will entail re-learning some piloting skills.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyblu3 0 #7 February 26, 2007 I have a number of jumps on a raider 220, this was in my student days. They performed just like you would expect a student canopy to perform. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flydude 0 #8 February 26, 2007 I too have a number of jumps on Raider 220. Almost half of my jump#, Id guess.. The Raider perform somewhat as a student canopy, but may not be as forgiving for some maneuvers, as some of the newer student canopies. The one I jump (my dads) is no fan of quick moves, both on toggles and risers. Ive tried and it does some rather strange things. It shakes you all about, till you let go and it will fly perfect again. But when handling it nice and calm, it will react nice and calm, maybe somewhat late at times, but thats what large canopies does... Its no bad canopy for a person with not too many jumps. Ive jumped Sabre2 170 and 190s too (and thats what Im getting within the next month ) , so I do have something to compare with, if someone thought different. About 15-20...A skydiver's famous last words: - Hey! Hold my beer, and watch this...! - If that guy can do it, so can I...! - In 9 out of 10 this will work out just fine. Don't worry about it...! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brumby 0 #9 February 28, 2007 I put abour 50 jumps on a raider 220 just after i came off student status and really enjoyed flying the canopy. For my experience (at the time) it was a nice canopy i though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #10 February 28, 2007 I actually have 4 to 5 jumps on each canopy in the list. To the OP: I found them all to be good for new jumpers still gaining knowledge of parachute handling and forgiving when a mistake was made. I think you could do no wrong with the Raider or the Wildfire, it will just depend on your attention to detail when flying your canopy. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
MrBrant 0 #2 February 25, 2007 um, wasn't the Raider only a 220 sq. ft? I know Glide Path (Flight Concepts?) used to call the same canopy different names depending on its size (Raider, Clipper, Manta, wildfire?, etc.) - i thought the Raider was the 220 version of thier 9-cell F-111 line. Hopefully somebody can confirm, or correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mamajumps 0 #3 February 25, 2007 Thats what I thought however, when the master rigger at Lodi examined this for the seller (who is a non skydiver) that is what he told her???? Im really not sure what I am getting, but for what I paid it is a killer deal.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #4 February 26, 2007 Last time I saw you, you are sooo petite..I can't imagine you under a 175....that's even large for me and I'm a big girl much taller and larger bone than you...hmmm...when I see you this coming weekend, I'll reevaluate _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrBrant 0 #5 February 26, 2007 QuoteI am approx 155 out the door... if I did my math right, it would be a .88 wing loading... thanks for any advice! QuoteLast time I saw you, you are sooo petite..I can't imagine you under a 175....that's even large for me I don't know if I'd want to load a baffed-out F-111 canopy much over 0.9:1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #6 February 26, 2007 From Flight Concepts web page Wildfire 170 170 6.5 386 187 LBS. Clipper 195 195 7.4 398 215 LBS. Raider 220 220 8.3 445 242 LBS. Maverone 250 9.5 562 275 LBS. Manta 290 290 11 570 319 LBS. Man-O-War 320 320 12.1 590 352 LBS. None of what you were told makes sense. A Raider is 220, nothing is 175. Pull it out and look on the label. It may be on the tail or by the pilot chute attachment. If it's something like 175, it may be pretty small for you. Especially if it's got more than a couple of hundred jumps. If it truely is 220, then it will be a little big for you unless it's wore out. No matter what a future transition to a zp canopy will entail re-learning some piloting skills.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyblu3 0 #7 February 26, 2007 I have a number of jumps on a raider 220, this was in my student days. They performed just like you would expect a student canopy to perform. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flydude 0 #8 February 26, 2007 I too have a number of jumps on Raider 220. Almost half of my jump#, Id guess.. The Raider perform somewhat as a student canopy, but may not be as forgiving for some maneuvers, as some of the newer student canopies. The one I jump (my dads) is no fan of quick moves, both on toggles and risers. Ive tried and it does some rather strange things. It shakes you all about, till you let go and it will fly perfect again. But when handling it nice and calm, it will react nice and calm, maybe somewhat late at times, but thats what large canopies does... Its no bad canopy for a person with not too many jumps. Ive jumped Sabre2 170 and 190s too (and thats what Im getting within the next month ) , so I do have something to compare with, if someone thought different. About 15-20...A skydiver's famous last words: - Hey! Hold my beer, and watch this...! - If that guy can do it, so can I...! - In 9 out of 10 this will work out just fine. Don't worry about it...! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brumby 0 #9 February 28, 2007 I put abour 50 jumps on a raider 220 just after i came off student status and really enjoyed flying the canopy. For my experience (at the time) it was a nice canopy i though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #10 February 28, 2007 I actually have 4 to 5 jumps on each canopy in the list. To the OP: I found them all to be good for new jumpers still gaining knowledge of parachute handling and forgiving when a mistake was made. I think you could do no wrong with the Raider or the Wildfire, it will just depend on your attention to detail when flying your canopy. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
