udder 0 #1 February 25, 2007 Anyone jumping one? My brake lines just got replaced and it still bucks somewhat under front risers. Do I need to lengthen them more?"In one way or the other, I'm a bad brother. Word to the motherf**ker." Eazy-E Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #2 February 25, 2007 Pedder let me jump it next weekend if you were trying to front riser isn the heat of this weekend that will effect it too. Turbulance and front risers are not a good matchYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #3 February 25, 2007 Look up at your brake lines when your pulling front risers. They should still have some slack."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #4 February 26, 2007 I've got a hornet 170 and it bucks like crazy when I pull down on the front risers. I've lengthened the steering lines and it still does the same thing. Let me know if you figure this one out. Maybe this is a characteristic of this canopy. It also opened really hard when I first got it. I started psycho packing it and it helped a lot......Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #5 February 26, 2007 How many jumps on the lineset Steve?"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swoopgaz 0 #6 February 26, 2007 the hornet is a basic square canopy, a copy of the sabre. they are not a high performance canopy and because of the trim they are not really suitable for big front riser turns especially if they aren't loaded much. it will buck around on you, it is just a characteristic of the canopy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #7 February 26, 2007 The Hornet is not a copy of the Sabre. The Pilot is a copy of the Hornet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #8 February 26, 2007 I have always wondered about that. What are the similarities between the pilot and the hornet? Maybe some one for Aerodyne can share that info? Edit: My hunch is that my pilot 168 is just a Hornet with a bigger slider to open slower. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #9 February 26, 2007 Quotethe hornet is a basic square canopy, a copy of the sabre. The Hornet is NOT a copy as Pecjerstated, The Sabre 1 is a square cnaopt the Hornet has a Tapered trailing edge, it looks nothing like a Sabre. It can however open like a Sabre 1 Hornets can slamm open. My Hornet 150 used to buck a bit on fronts, but I found if I gradually pulled it and not yanked the riser it would be less jumpyYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #10 February 26, 2007 QuoteHow many jumps on the lineset Steve? ......................... There's probably 400 jumps on them. I've heard the Sabre II is more or less a copy of the hornet. Both are semi-tapered. Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. I'm no canopy expert. I bought it new for an unbelieveably low price from South Africa, about five years ago. It's well made, and I really like it for the most part.....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #11 February 26, 2007 Quote What are the similarities between the pilot and the hornet? I've owned both in the same size... they are not really similar. Not any more than two other 9-cell canopies are similar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos340 1 #12 February 26, 2007 QuoteI've heard the Sabre II is more or less a copy of the hornet. I had heard that the hornet was the predecessor to the Pilot. PISA made the Hornet. When Aerodyne started up, The Pilot was made in the former PISA Factory in South Africa. I do know the Pilot and the Hornet do have some similar features such as Colored Packing tabs and Line Connectors. I am not sure if they have any other similarities other than that. Someone else one told me that comparing a Hornet to the Pilot was more like comparing the Sabre 1 to the Sabre 2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #13 February 26, 2007 QuoteSomeone else one told me that comparing a Hornet to the Pilot was more like comparing the Sabre 1 to the Sabre 2. Aerodyne claims that Pilot is a new design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #14 February 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteI do know the Pilot and the Hornet do have some similar features such as Colored Packing tabs and Line Connectors. . Coloured line attachments were on ALL PISA main canopies and are on all Areodyne main canopiesYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MagicGuy 0 #15 February 27, 2007 I just started jumping a Hornet 135 loaded at 1.1, previously jumped a Sabre 2 150. I haven't noticed all that many similarities between them, although I've only made 4 jumps on the Hornet. Hornet's openings have been on heading every time and seem slightly more brisk, but still not slammers. Front riser dives were smoother on the Sabre 2. I, too, noticed some bucking when I did diving 360s on my Hornet. The Sabre 2 seems to have a better glide ratio, as well. Finally, the Sabre 2 had a more forgiving flare. That is, you could flare late and still have a stand up landing. I flared a little late on my first jump, no wind day, and had to run it out a few steps. Same situation with the Sabre and it would've been a pretty soft landing. But the Hornet is a hell of a lot easier to pack!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #16 February 27, 2007 Corey... you should mention that slider has been modified by the previous owner. That being said I was never slammed by the 210 that I jumped as a student."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MagicGuy 0 #17 February 27, 2007 It sure was! Pocketed slider, and damn does it look ghetto as hell. But it works. I should also say that the lower control lines have been shortened, in what looks to be like an attempt at delaying an inevitable replacement of said lines. There's not much left to stow once the toggles are set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mozencrath 0 #18 February 27, 2007 MagicGuy I think I sold you that hornet with the pocket. to clear up some confusion, the Sabre II design is BASED ON the Hornet, as is the Pilot. The major difference being that the Hornet utilizes a non-slippery ZP material that makes it easier to pack than an F111 canopy-no joke. I used to be able to drop it on the ground and have it in the bag in less than 30 seconds. Iguess a big difference would also be about $1000!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #19 February 27, 2007 Quoteto clear up some confusion, the Sabre II design is BASED ON the Hornet, as is the Pilot. So you state the PD's R&D department is called Aerodyne? Nice joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #20 February 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteto clear up some confusion, the Sabre II design is BASED ON the Hornet, as is the Pilot. So you state the PD's R&D department is called Aerodyne? Nice joke. Sure! Just like the Spectre is based on the Triathlon!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jojo0815 0 #21 February 27, 2007 QuoteI had heard that the hornet was the predecessor to the Pilot. PISA made the Hornet. When Aerodyne started up, The Pilot was made in the former PISA Factory in South Africa. I do know the Pilot and the Hornet do have some similar features such as Colored Packing tabs and Line Connectors. I am not sure if they have any other similarities other than that. I had Hornet 170 for my first canopy. never had a slammer with it but the line kit was out of trim. I tried to get a new line set from PISA and found out they had just been bought by aerodyne. called aerodyne for a new line set and after sending my hornet back to them they called me back to offer me 40% off or so on a new canopy if they can keep the hornet. I think for a while Aerodyne was producing in SA but ownership of Aerodyne has tragically changed since then and I think the SA factory is now doing military stuff. please correct me if I am wrong!. besides the packing tabs, the pilot and the hornet do have more similarities and fly very much alike too. the slider on the pilot is huge though compared to the Hornet. both the canopies seem to have the most response on top of the toggle stroke. for a lot of people that means the flare is less forgiving because if you flare too soon you aint got much left. I would say it just takes some getting used to. another side effect is that if your brake lines are too short and you do front riser dives, the tail deflection induced by the short brake lines has more of an effect than on other canopies that have the effective toggle range deeper in the stroke. oh, bucking can be dangerous! fix it :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peckerhead 0 #22 February 27, 2007 QuoteAerodyne claims that Pilot is a new design. What do you expect them to say, we just changed the name and doubled the price? Having jumped both the Pilot and the Hornet they seem identical to me. I prefer the Hornet because of the fabric, much easier to pack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #23 February 27, 2007 Since I have both I will compare them side by side the next time I have a chance. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steve1 5 #24 February 27, 2007 Another thing that may be peculiar about my hornet 170 is that it is impossible to stall it out in full brakes. My steering lines may be a hair long, but even when they were set way too short it would not stall, no matter how low I put my hands in brakes....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AllisonH 0 #25 February 27, 2007 I've done a couple hundred jumps on Hornets (170 and a 150) and I haven't been able to stall either of them without using the rear risers. Also, both of my Hornets have had quite large sliders and I've never had even close to a hard opening with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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MagicGuy 0 #15 February 27, 2007 I just started jumping a Hornet 135 loaded at 1.1, previously jumped a Sabre 2 150. I haven't noticed all that many similarities between them, although I've only made 4 jumps on the Hornet. Hornet's openings have been on heading every time and seem slightly more brisk, but still not slammers. Front riser dives were smoother on the Sabre 2. I, too, noticed some bucking when I did diving 360s on my Hornet. The Sabre 2 seems to have a better glide ratio, as well. Finally, the Sabre 2 had a more forgiving flare. That is, you could flare late and still have a stand up landing. I flared a little late on my first jump, no wind day, and had to run it out a few steps. Same situation with the Sabre and it would've been a pretty soft landing. But the Hornet is a hell of a lot easier to pack!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #16 February 27, 2007 Corey... you should mention that slider has been modified by the previous owner. That being said I was never slammed by the 210 that I jumped as a student."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagicGuy 0 #17 February 27, 2007 It sure was! Pocketed slider, and damn does it look ghetto as hell. But it works. I should also say that the lower control lines have been shortened, in what looks to be like an attempt at delaying an inevitable replacement of said lines. There's not much left to stow once the toggles are set. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mozencrath 0 #18 February 27, 2007 MagicGuy I think I sold you that hornet with the pocket. to clear up some confusion, the Sabre II design is BASED ON the Hornet, as is the Pilot. The major difference being that the Hornet utilizes a non-slippery ZP material that makes it easier to pack than an F111 canopy-no joke. I used to be able to drop it on the ground and have it in the bag in less than 30 seconds. Iguess a big difference would also be about $1000!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #19 February 27, 2007 Quoteto clear up some confusion, the Sabre II design is BASED ON the Hornet, as is the Pilot. So you state the PD's R&D department is called Aerodyne? Nice joke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #20 February 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteto clear up some confusion, the Sabre II design is BASED ON the Hornet, as is the Pilot. So you state the PD's R&D department is called Aerodyne? Nice joke. Sure! Just like the Spectre is based on the Triathlon!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jojo0815 0 #21 February 27, 2007 QuoteI had heard that the hornet was the predecessor to the Pilot. PISA made the Hornet. When Aerodyne started up, The Pilot was made in the former PISA Factory in South Africa. I do know the Pilot and the Hornet do have some similar features such as Colored Packing tabs and Line Connectors. I am not sure if they have any other similarities other than that. I had Hornet 170 for my first canopy. never had a slammer with it but the line kit was out of trim. I tried to get a new line set from PISA and found out they had just been bought by aerodyne. called aerodyne for a new line set and after sending my hornet back to them they called me back to offer me 40% off or so on a new canopy if they can keep the hornet. I think for a while Aerodyne was producing in SA but ownership of Aerodyne has tragically changed since then and I think the SA factory is now doing military stuff. please correct me if I am wrong!. besides the packing tabs, the pilot and the hornet do have more similarities and fly very much alike too. the slider on the pilot is huge though compared to the Hornet. both the canopies seem to have the most response on top of the toggle stroke. for a lot of people that means the flare is less forgiving because if you flare too soon you aint got much left. I would say it just takes some getting used to. another side effect is that if your brake lines are too short and you do front riser dives, the tail deflection induced by the short brake lines has more of an effect than on other canopies that have the effective toggle range deeper in the stroke. oh, bucking can be dangerous! fix it :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #22 February 27, 2007 QuoteAerodyne claims that Pilot is a new design. What do you expect them to say, we just changed the name and doubled the price? Having jumped both the Pilot and the Hornet they seem identical to me. I prefer the Hornet because of the fabric, much easier to pack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #23 February 27, 2007 Since I have both I will compare them side by side the next time I have a chance. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #24 February 27, 2007 Another thing that may be peculiar about my hornet 170 is that it is impossible to stall it out in full brakes. My steering lines may be a hair long, but even when they were set way too short it would not stall, no matter how low I put my hands in brakes....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AllisonH 0 #25 February 27, 2007 I've done a couple hundred jumps on Hornets (170 and a 150) and I haven't been able to stall either of them without using the rear risers. Also, both of my Hornets have had quite large sliders and I've never had even close to a hard opening with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
