Broke 0 #1 February 4, 2007 I was working on getting a reserve for my rig. I thought I found one, but unfortunatly it is in another country. So this reserve doesn't have the TSO patch on it. The reserve I am looking at is a popular one in the states, but due to the lack of the patch I am under the impression that I cannot place it in my rig i.e. it would be illeagle for a rigger to do so. Would I be able to have it shipped to the manufacturer to be inspected, and then have them certify it?Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #2 February 4, 2007 I would question why it doesn't have a TSO label on it. My first guess is that it is stolen, and I sure wouldn't want that much bad karma on my reserve. I can't think of a good reason to remove the label, only bad reasons remain. Does the seller say why there is no label? What does the seller say about the canopy? Number of jumps, age, etc... -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #3 February 4, 2007 What do you mean by TSO patch? I sold plenty of stuff to other countries including USA, never a problem. Never heard of a TSO patch though You mean the manufacturer's label? ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #4 February 4, 2007 no label just a stampDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livnbored 0 #5 February 4, 2007 Just looking at it, it appears that the label says it was manufactured in 1988. (it could be 1998, but I doubt it) Many riggers won't pack reserves older than 20 years. Just something to consider. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #6 February 4, 2007 That's a 5-cell Swift, not a 7-cell Swift Plus. If you had to use it, I think you'd be disappointed with the performance. The label reads "made under license," which according to RiggerRob in a previous thread (search "swift reserve pisa") identifies it as a PISA-made canopy. No worries on quality of workmanship or materials, but without "TSO" on the label, it isn't TSO'd. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #7 February 4, 2007 QuoteI was working on getting a reserve for my rig. I thought I found one, but unfortunatly it is in another country. So this reserve doesn't have the TSO patch on it. The reserve I am looking at is a popular one in the states, but due to the lack of the patch I am under the impression that I cannot place it in my rig i.e. it would be illeagle for a rigger to do so. Would I be able to have it shipped to the manufacturer to be inspected, and then have them certify it? To answer your last question, no it can be "inspected into compliance". Being "TSO'd" means being manufactured by a particular company and under a particular FAA approved manual. If this stamp doesn't mention "TSO C23b" somewhere, and I can't quite tell, it is not legal in the U.S. Also, I can't quite tell if this is a five cell swift or not but it does appear to be. If it is I, as a rigger, have stopped packing them due to age and design. I'd suggest keep looking.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
highspeeddirt 0 #8 February 7, 2007 "removal of this label voids TSO" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #9 February 7, 2007 Quote "removal of this label voids TSO" Well, that's certainly true if there is a (sewn-on) label. TSO information can be handwritten on the fabric or etched in the hardware and still be legal, and many older canopies and containers (and a few newer ones) have the TSO label stamped on the article itself instead of on a sewn-on label. Racers, for example, have the TSO info stamped on the inside of the pin flap. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #10 February 8, 2007 Please tell us which model of reserve you are considering buying. If it is a Swift 5-cell reserve - made in South Africa - it will be impossible to distinguish from an American-made (Para-Flite) Swift, because Para-Flite licensed Parachute Industries of Southern Afirca to make Swifts, etc. As part of their sales agreement, PISA agreed not to sell Swifts directly to North Americans, but other than that, I cannot see any technical differences. Similarly, National Parachute Industries (USA) licensed PISA to build Phantom round reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #11 February 8, 2007 Well I have ultimately decided against this reserve, due to the fact that there is too many unknowns to me. And if other riggers will not pack it then I should avoid wasting my money alltogether. I didn't choose my user ID because I had money to burn I have a couple of other ideasDivot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
