mark 107 #51 February 9, 2007 QuoteI didn't say the canopy would twist or turn. Yes, the 90 degree twist will clear when coming out of the bag. I'm a rigger just like you, a very new one but I've done the course. One more time. There is no twist in a flat pack. I'm happy to hear you have earned a rigger certificate, as it shows a level of interest in the technical side of our sport not found in the average skydiver. Where did you do that, if I might ask? Please do not use your rigger ticket to claim special insight. FAA S-8081-25 (Parachute Rigger Practical Test Standards) doesn't ask rigger applicants to demonstrate knowledge of how parachutes work, only to pack and fix them. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #52 February 10, 2007 got from tom dolphin at mrvs i think that were talking about something different because i have seen this but doesn matter anywaydon't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #53 February 10, 2007 >a true flat pack will have the nose pointing to the outside . . . You can make the nose point in any direction you like while flat packing. But it really doesn't matter that much. The canopy is still (when looking at the lines, not the fabric) perfectly straight; the only issue is that the canopy is S-folded left or right between each line group instead of left _and_ right (i.e. flaked away from the center) between each line group. The nose direction has little to do with opening direction. Consider the following thought experiment - if during a flat pack you orient the nose the opposite way, will that somehow rotate the rest of the pack job? Nope - you'll just have the nose pointing in a different direction. This has a minor effect on opening direction, but it's usually not significant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #54 February 10, 2007 Quoteif you can see it it will make sense ask you rigger to show you if they know what im talking about To which of my questions are you referring? Do you mean 'what is a true flat pack?' or 'what is a flat to pro pack?' By 'flat to pro pack' do you mean the reserve packing method where the canopy is laid out on its side, then as the line groups are brought on top of each other, the folds of each cell are evenly separated as would result from a pro pack? A fast version of that is pretty much what I do for my main canopy, not bothering to separate the folds of each cell evenly left/right. Some might call my method a stack pack, as opposed to a roll pack, where everything was flopped inward to the middle. That was very common when dinosaurs roamed the earth, and it worked well.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #55 February 10, 2007 thats what i meant. and said that because people have a million diff names for flat packing, flat , side, flat to pro, side to pro etc.don't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #56 February 10, 2007 OK, so we understand what flat to pro means. What do you mean by 'true flat pack'?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #57 February 10, 2007 flat pack but nose is to the outside is what i think of when i hear flat maybe not right but thats what i thinkdon't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #58 February 10, 2007 Quoteflat pack but nose is to the outside is what i think of when i hear flat maybe not right but thats what i think OK, I just don't think the term 'true' conveys any meaning. The old style roll up it up toward the center has often been called 'briefcase pack'. A lot of people have never seen it. Now that we've wised up to the fact that stacking the line groups on each other is a better idea (as does a pro pack), then the term 'stack' pack has been used. Where the nose points is completely independent, I like to have it pointing forward, same as a pro pack.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2shay 0 #59 February 10, 2007 to me and people i talk w true eliminates confusion w flat to pro thats all and yes i totally 100% agree w the nose pointing forward, the nose pointing to the outside will be no different, but why not have it oriented w where you want it to godon't try your bullshit with me!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
