Unstable 9 #1 January 12, 2007 This is one of those stupid questions I can't find an answer too - and it's getting under my skin.... You know how spam always has a little "remove" link on the bottom of the email - does that really work - or just sign me up for more spam? And - what kind of people make a living sending out thousands of those buggers a day? Is it good money - does it really work?=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #2 January 12, 2007 I prefer mine pan fried with a slice o cheese on top. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #3 January 12, 2007 Quote I prefer mine pan fried with a slice o cheese on top. Off the subject - I don't know many girls (or even Guys) I can get to admit to eating the stupid stuff - but I KNOW everybody and their dogs eat it all the time...=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 January 12, 2007 They're fishing for email addresses - answering the email or clicking the link confirms they've "got a live one".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 January 12, 2007 QuoteQuote I prefer mine pan fried with a slice o cheese on top. Off the subject - I don't know many girls (or even Guys) I can get to admit to eating the stupid stuff - but I KNOW everybody and their dogs eat it all the time... Fry it up crispy... little mayo... good stuff!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdav 0 #6 January 12, 2007 Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam! You had to know that was comin! Noooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!! M.P.F.C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #7 January 12, 2007 Quotepam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam! Hey, don't you write Haiku with the same technique?=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #8 January 12, 2007 If it's a list you actually signed up for at one point from a legit business, then yes, clicking the "remove" link will take you somewhere where you can (usually) get yourself off the list. But as others have said, for true, unsolicited SPAM ... it's just a confirmation that they have you in their clutches."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdav 0 #9 January 12, 2007 Quote Hey, don't you write Haiku with the same technique? Caught me, I'm just a one trick ponyBut loves it when the girls ride me bareback Noooobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!! M.P.F.C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #10 January 12, 2007 Anybody have any spammer friends? Is there good money is doing this - is it effective marketing? I can't imagine that it is - but people still keep doing it - which makes me think that somehow it MUST be worth their time....=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 898 #11 January 12, 2007 I was once offered $20k to drop a spam box within one of the networks I support... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #12 January 12, 2007 Quote I was once offered $20k to drop a spam box within one of the networks I support... wouldn't that get you sent to Jail or fired or worse - fired THEN put in jail? =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zeppo 0 #13 January 12, 2007 Companies can actually charge a few pennies each e-mail...now when your sending thousands of e-mails a day...that's alot of money. The E-mail advertising is a mixed one. If you get a regular e-mail from Circuit City, with sales advertisements and other announcements, typically, the remove button does work. The other type (and far more annoying type) is a method to generate e-mail lists. What companies do, is send out a bunch of e-mail that can say anything (from make your penis 50% larger, or click here to show support for our troops overseas) pretty much anything to get you to click. Once they confirm that your e-mail address is live, they sell it to a more legit company who will then try to advertise to that e-mail address. (while also providing a functioning "Remove" button) Mostly though, it's just like in the past with junk snail mail...just throw it away, or in the case of e-mail, just mark that e-mail address as junk, and you'll never have to worry about them again. In the future, if any suspect site asks for an e-mail address, and you think its fishy, just give them a e-mail address that you setup just for that purpose, that you ignore otherwise, then you can help avoid unwanted junkmail in your actual e-mail box. Don't really know if I helped answer your question or not.What goes up, must come DOWN!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 898 #14 January 12, 2007 yep...that would be a given in network security...damnit that money would have bought a few jumps or something worthless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites McDuck 0 #15 January 12, 2007 Actually, Mailinator is a better way of accomplishing the email registration process without divulging your true email address. It's a site that lets you create "disposable" email addresses for registering and such.Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 898 #16 January 12, 2007 if no confirmation e-mail is required... i typically use fuck@off.com now if anyone ever registers that address..it will be like the guy that got the "no tag" license plate! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #17 January 12, 2007 Depending on the Botnet you are refering to there is some money to be made there. At least 1 person has came forward and admitting to making over 100k cash by spamming and installing spyware. The real money is to be made in the running and leasing of the botnets. Some companies pay up to .25-.50 cents to have their piece of spyware installed, once they can take control of your machine via a bot they can force it to install the spyware and they get paid for it. Then they can use your PC to send other spam, force your computer to install other malware or other little things like that. Leasing out the net can get you a couple of thousand for a single job.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites McDuck 0 #18 January 12, 2007 Quoteif no confirmation e-mail is required... i typically use fuck@off.com now if anyone ever registers that address..it will be like the guy that got the "no tag" license plate! My favorite is get@bent.com Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #19 January 12, 2007 Support@microsoft.com works too. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites McDuck 0 #20 January 12, 2007 Now THAT one is a classic! Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #21 January 12, 2007 QuoteCompanies can actually charge a few pennies each e-mail...now when your sending thousands of e-mails a day...that's alot of money. Last year a spammer was arrested in South Korea. It was alleged that he used botnets to send 18 Million spams/day. $18,000 a day if he got only 1 cent per spam. No wonder spammers are so persistent. And yep, you can't stop the spam unless you get a new email address. All you can do is filter it as well as possible. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zeppo 0 #22 January 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteCompanies can actually charge a few pennies each e-mail...now when your sending thousands of e-mails a day...that's alot of money. Last year a spammer was arrested in South Korea. It was alleged that he used botnets to send 18 Million spams/day. $18,000 a day if he got only 1 cent per spam. No wonder spammers are so persistent. And yep, you can't stop the spam unless you get a new email address. All you can do is filter it as well as possible. Even $0.01 is conservative. I worked for an e-mail marketing company (a more legit one) that charges $0.25USD per e-mail sent.What goes up, must come DOWN!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #23 January 12, 2007 QuoteEven $0.01 is conservative. I worked for an e-mail marketing company (a more legit one) that charges $0.25USD per e-mail sent. I wonder how much I delete per day in regards to money - I could clear my spam box and in one day probably toss out $1 worth - Methinks this is not effective marketing.... =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #24 January 12, 2007 QuoteEven $0.01 is conservative. I worked for an e-mail marketing company (a more legit one) that charges $0.25USD per e-mail sent. Wow. Definitely legit, no random mass mailings at that cost. A bit off-topic, but have you ever seen subliminal messages in spam? A while back I got an image spam with two flashing "buy" frames that lasted 1/10 second each, but only every 15 seconds. I had no idea the were doing that until reading about it. I've seen them in only a coule emails, but don't really look for them anymore. I tweaked the frame rate to make it easier to see and attached it after changing the extension from gif to jpg; it may or may not work here. It was really hard to see the hidden frames at the original timings. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 898 #25 January 12, 2007 THAT is the best...damn...now I will have to re-register wiht all the sites! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. 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Unstable 9 #10 January 12, 2007 Anybody have any spammer friends? Is there good money is doing this - is it effective marketing? I can't imagine that it is - but people still keep doing it - which makes me think that somehow it MUST be worth their time....=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #11 January 12, 2007 I was once offered $20k to drop a spam box within one of the networks I support... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #12 January 12, 2007 Quote I was once offered $20k to drop a spam box within one of the networks I support... wouldn't that get you sent to Jail or fired or worse - fired THEN put in jail? =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeppo 0 #13 January 12, 2007 Companies can actually charge a few pennies each e-mail...now when your sending thousands of e-mails a day...that's alot of money. The E-mail advertising is a mixed one. If you get a regular e-mail from Circuit City, with sales advertisements and other announcements, typically, the remove button does work. The other type (and far more annoying type) is a method to generate e-mail lists. What companies do, is send out a bunch of e-mail that can say anything (from make your penis 50% larger, or click here to show support for our troops overseas) pretty much anything to get you to click. Once they confirm that your e-mail address is live, they sell it to a more legit company who will then try to advertise to that e-mail address. (while also providing a functioning "Remove" button) Mostly though, it's just like in the past with junk snail mail...just throw it away, or in the case of e-mail, just mark that e-mail address as junk, and you'll never have to worry about them again. In the future, if any suspect site asks for an e-mail address, and you think its fishy, just give them a e-mail address that you setup just for that purpose, that you ignore otherwise, then you can help avoid unwanted junkmail in your actual e-mail box. Don't really know if I helped answer your question or not.What goes up, must come DOWN!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #14 January 12, 2007 yep...that would be a given in network security...damnit that money would have bought a few jumps or something worthless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #15 January 12, 2007 Actually, Mailinator is a better way of accomplishing the email registration process without divulging your true email address. It's a site that lets you create "disposable" email addresses for registering and such.Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #16 January 12, 2007 if no confirmation e-mail is required... i typically use fuck@off.com now if anyone ever registers that address..it will be like the guy that got the "no tag" license plate! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #17 January 12, 2007 Depending on the Botnet you are refering to there is some money to be made there. At least 1 person has came forward and admitting to making over 100k cash by spamming and installing spyware. The real money is to be made in the running and leasing of the botnets. Some companies pay up to .25-.50 cents to have their piece of spyware installed, once they can take control of your machine via a bot they can force it to install the spyware and they get paid for it. Then they can use your PC to send other spam, force your computer to install other malware or other little things like that. Leasing out the net can get you a couple of thousand for a single job.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #18 January 12, 2007 Quoteif no confirmation e-mail is required... i typically use fuck@off.com now if anyone ever registers that address..it will be like the guy that got the "no tag" license plate! My favorite is get@bent.com Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #19 January 12, 2007 Support@microsoft.com works too. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #20 January 12, 2007 Now THAT one is a classic! Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #21 January 12, 2007 QuoteCompanies can actually charge a few pennies each e-mail...now when your sending thousands of e-mails a day...that's alot of money. Last year a spammer was arrested in South Korea. It was alleged that he used botnets to send 18 Million spams/day. $18,000 a day if he got only 1 cent per spam. No wonder spammers are so persistent. And yep, you can't stop the spam unless you get a new email address. All you can do is filter it as well as possible. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeppo 0 #22 January 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteCompanies can actually charge a few pennies each e-mail...now when your sending thousands of e-mails a day...that's alot of money. Last year a spammer was arrested in South Korea. It was alleged that he used botnets to send 18 Million spams/day. $18,000 a day if he got only 1 cent per spam. No wonder spammers are so persistent. And yep, you can't stop the spam unless you get a new email address. All you can do is filter it as well as possible. Even $0.01 is conservative. I worked for an e-mail marketing company (a more legit one) that charges $0.25USD per e-mail sent.What goes up, must come DOWN!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #23 January 12, 2007 QuoteEven $0.01 is conservative. I worked for an e-mail marketing company (a more legit one) that charges $0.25USD per e-mail sent. I wonder how much I delete per day in regards to money - I could clear my spam box and in one day probably toss out $1 worth - Methinks this is not effective marketing.... =========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #24 January 12, 2007 QuoteEven $0.01 is conservative. I worked for an e-mail marketing company (a more legit one) that charges $0.25USD per e-mail sent. Wow. Definitely legit, no random mass mailings at that cost. A bit off-topic, but have you ever seen subliminal messages in spam? A while back I got an image spam with two flashing "buy" frames that lasted 1/10 second each, but only every 15 seconds. I had no idea the were doing that until reading about it. I've seen them in only a coule emails, but don't really look for them anymore. I tweaked the frame rate to make it easier to see and attached it after changing the extension from gif to jpg; it may or may not work here. It was really hard to see the hidden frames at the original timings. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #25 January 12, 2007 THAT is the best...damn...now I will have to re-register wiht all the sites! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
