Holy shit, real facts about drugs & alcohol

[ryan_d_sucks 0]

Hahaha, wow. While some of that was kind of interesting and readable, these 2 are so laughable it really makes me question the integrity of the entire list...


- Cannabis use causes severe permanent brain damage

This is an absurd statement, especially since it lacks any sort of information as to how it causes 'severe brain damage,' and what exactly constitutes 'severe brain damage.' I don't smoke pot, but I have in the past. I have lots of friends who currently do, and have been for a while. I've seen people start, stop, and keep going. I have never seen any long lasting decline in their mental functioning from smoking pot. This sounds like a 5th grade Guidance councilor's anti-drug class slogan.


- If youve ever drunk to the stage where you have woken up not able to remember a thing of the night before, that means you were probably only 2-3 drinks away from killing yourself as the part of the brain below where your memory is handled is the part thhat controls your breathing and heart rate

Hah. Wow. WRONG. Once you have had one blackout you become more prone to blacking out. Chronic drinkers actually lose some of their tolerance as they continue drinking over time, as well. Therefore, really heavy drinkers will get drunk off of less alcohol, and will 'black out' before they really achieve a high level of intoxication. I know some people who will have a 6 pack, be decently drunk, and not remember a damn thing the next day. In no way were they on the brink of death, and 2 or 3 more drinks wouldn't have pushed them over the edge. Besides that, have you ever blacked out and not thrown up? I have, and I've seen it happen. Your body will throw up the booze, or try to expel it long before death approaches.

I didn't read through all 5 pages of this thread, because those 2 points were just so ridiculous I had to immediatley post. Sorry if its been thoroughly hashed out by now.

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Hahaha, wow. While some of that was kind of interesting and readable, these 2 are so laughable it really makes me question the integrity of the entire list...


- Cannabis use causes severe permanent brain damage

This is an absurd statement, especially since it lacks any sort of information as to how it causes 'severe brain damage,' and what exactly constitutes 'severe brain damage.' I don't smoke pot, but I have in the past. I have lots of friends who currently do, and have been for a while. I've seen people start, stop, and keep going. I have never seen any long lasting decline in their mental functioning from smoking pot. This sounds like a 5th grade Guidance councilor's anti-drug class slogan.


- If youve ever drunk to the stage where you have woken up not able to remember a thing of the night before, that means you were probably only 2-3 drinks away from killing yourself as the part of the brain below where your memory is handled is the part thhat controls your breathing and heart rate

Hah. Wow. WRONG. Once you have had one blackout you become more prone to blacking out. Chronic drinkers actually lose some of their tolerance as they continue drinking over time, as well. Therefore, really heavy drinkers will get drunk off of less alcohol, and will 'black out' before they really achieve a high level of intoxication. I know some people who will have a 6 pack, be decently drunk, and not remember a damn thing the next day. In no way were they on the brink of death, and 2 or 3 more drinks wouldn't have pushed them over the edge. Besides that, have you ever blacked out and not thrown up? I have, and I've seen it happen. Your body will throw up the booze, or try to expel it long before death approaches.

I didn't read through all 5 pages of this thread, because those 2 points were just so ridiculous I had to immediatley post. Sorry if its been thoroughly hashed out by now.

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From what Ive seen In my family and within family friends, alcohol definetly causes more mental/physical problems over time than weed.

[karenmeal 0]

I did find some studies that explored the damage that heroin use during pregnancy can cause to a fetus. Whether it causes less damage than alcohol, I don't know.

I would have researched more, but it is a fact that I have a test tomorrow.

"Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham

[Scoop 0]

...and hopefully you have more of a life than that

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...and hopefully you have more of a life than that

Well, some people like to know what they're talking about before going and spouting things off as fact....

Just because you research something doesn't mean you don't have a life...

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[Akey 0]

Just a reply to the original poster of this thread:
I take it you have never worked in a hospital ward where a heroin addict has gone into arrest. It is not safe. Excluding the fact that i am yet to have a user on a ward i work on who does not have hepititus. If you trust the 50 odd people that have handled it until you pump it into your system, (brick dust and vim are 2 things that have been used to bulk out heroin) don't care that you will probably bankrupt yourself to try and pay for another fix great. I don't, and you would be a fool if you thought so. Off the top of my head i don't know the dangers of heroin on pregnancy. But the way that the statement was worded 'heroin is better than alcohol' sounds suspiciously like 'freediving with great whites is safer than BASE I could rant all day on this subject, but play with heroin, your stupid.

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Obviously people believe whatever they like. I just find it ammusing that some people would rather believe the sales pitch from their dealer than medical and scientific evidence.

This guy was a dealer, he told us how he used to cut the drugs, both heroin and cocain. Theres no money in cocaine so they have to cut it alot. Its a recreational drug too, people take it, regardless of the quality, swear on the effects they are getting. In some cases thats the effects of toxins or solvents youve just inhaled. Why do you think peoples noses rot?

Their noses 'rot' because of the vasoconstrictive effects of the cocaine. No blood supply and the tissue turns necrotic.

Dude, you've been conned by a con.

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Just a reply to the original poster of this thread:
I take it you have never worked in a hospital ward where a heroin addict has gone into arrest. It is not safe. Excluding the fact that i am yet to have a user on a ward i work on who does not have hepititus. If you trust the 50 odd people that have handled it until you pump it into your system, (brick dust and vim are 2 things that have been used to bulk out heroin) don't care that you will probably bankrupt yourself to try and pay for another fix great. I don't, and you would be a fool if you thought so. Off the top of my head i don't know the dangers of heroin on pregnancy. But the way that the statement was worded 'heroin is better than alcohol' sounds suspiciously like 'freediving with great whites is safer than BASE I could rant all day on this subject, but play with heroin, your stupid.

I think the point was that unless you overdose on heroin, it's less dangerous to you physically than most illicit drugs. The morbidity from heroin use comes from overdose and from problems caused by using needles that aren't sterile for the most part. Heroin is similar to morphine. We give people morphine all the time.

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I think the point was that unless you overdose on heroin, it's less dangerous to you physically than most illicit drugs. The morbidity from heroin use comes from overdose and from problems caused by using needles that aren't sterile for the most part. Heroin is similar to morphine. We give people morphine all the time.

Yeah, but the problem is nobody is getting medical grade heroin with physician's knowledge of proper dosage. Street heroin is not comparable, in any way, to any medical grade opiate.

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[karenmeal 0]

Considering that I am a full-time college student, am working on a thesis and several research projects, learning actually is my life right now. What is sad about that?

I think it is sad when people aren't interested in learning.

But as far as what you may think constitutes having a "life".. yes I have one of those too.

"Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham

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I think the point was that unless you overdose on heroin, it's less dangerous to you physically than most illicit drugs. The morbidity from heroin use comes from overdose and from problems caused by using needles that aren't sterile for the most part. Heroin is similar to morphine. We give people morphine all the time.

Yeah, but the problem is nobody is getting medical grade heroin with physician's knowledge of proper dosage. Street heroin is not comparable, in any way, to any medical grade opiate.

That does not contradict in any way what scoop posted on this. You just didn't like the information getting out because it didn't fit your preferred message.

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Scoop,

I really think you should print out this thread and show it to your superiors and the guy who taught the class. I would be interested in hearing what their point of view/reaction is after reading these posts.


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I think the point was that unless you overdose on heroin, it's less dangerous to you physically than most illicit drugs. The morbidity from heroin use comes from overdose and from problems caused by using needles that aren't sterile for the most part. Heroin is similar to morphine. We give people morphine all the time.

Yeah, but the problem is nobody is getting medical grade heroin with physician's knowledge of proper dosage. Street heroin is not comparable, in any way, to any medical grade opiate.

That does not contradict in any way what scoop posted on this. You just didn't like the information getting out because it didn't fit your preferred message.

Really? What's my preferred message?

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[stayhigh 2]

To all the people who says heroin is safer than alchy..

Okay why don't you use heroin for whole night,,and you tell me how was the come down,,

Just a little pinprick.
There'll be no more ...Aaaaaahhhhh!
But you may feel a little sick.
Can you stand up?
I do believe it's working. Good.
That'll keep you going for the show.
Come on it's time to go.
There is no pain, you are receding.
A distant ship's smoke on the horizon.
You are only coming through in waves.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're sayin'.
When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse,
Out of the corner of my eye.
I turned to look but it was gone.
I cannot put my finger on it now.
The child is grown, the dream is gone.
I have become comfortably numb.

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[karenmeal 0]

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Really? What's my preferred message?

That heroin is dangerous.

C'mon now, if I've learned anything from this thread it's to step away from the bong and pick up the needle.

"Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham

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Really? What's my preferred message?

That heroin is dangerous.

C'mon now, if I've learned anything from this thread it's to step away from the bong and pick up the needle.

Yeah, you're right. I can't believe I was so stupid to blow so many brain cells sitting around taking bong hits and eating Cheetoh's. And I did irreversible damage to my brain. Oh my! What have I done? I wish I spent my college years shooting up heroin instead. I would have caused far less damage to my body.

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[Butters 0]

Why would a dealer tell you that heroin is the safest drug? How addicting is heroin, how much does heroin cost, ...

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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My reasoning is it's all propaganda by the government. They know that nobody in their right mind who hasn't done drugs before is going to try heroin. They are very likely to smoke pot, and somewhat likely to try coke or x.

So, if the government says that heroin is really not that dangerous, people will think it's a truly objective study and that they're being honest. Then they can go ahead and make shit up about the popular drugs (or at least present facts misleadingly) and the public will be more apt to believe it.

Not to say these things aren't true, but it's all about context.

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[daremrc 0]

Man, I picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue...

Good judgement comes from experience, and most of that comes from bad judgement.

[caspar 0]

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/mg19325876.600

"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading."

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http://www.newscientist.com/channel/being-human/mg19325876.600

They are looking at similar research with other psychotropic drugs such as lsd/psilocilin for depression and other brain related problems. A lot of drugs on the surface in a pure form are not bad for you in a physical way. Most of them just degenerate your acceptance into common culture and can lead to making bad decisions based on what is accepted social behavior.

This goes back to a topic in an ethics course I took regarding the understanding of right and wrong. In today's culture right and wrong is defined different for many different people depending on what your overall moral beliefs are. This leads to these kinds of arguments.

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O.K. true believers

I have read the post and at random read a lot of the replies, I did this do to being about 6 pages of replies. I have to disagree from what Scoop posted. As a correctional officer I have seen people come in from county lock looking like death warmed over from a lot of the drugs in his post, The only exception being POT. Most of the long term Potheads have college degrees and it was not the pot that got them locked up. It was something stupid that had nothing to do with drugs. I personally feel that all of that stuff should be made legal and sold at Wal-Mart, K-Mart, and even Target. I can see all of you thinking that I have lost all sense of reality or I am trying to be funny, but I am not trying to be funny. Here is how I see it, if you make something a taboo people want it more. For example, lets use the good old Prohibition. If I remember correctly lots of people died needlessly the Mob made tons of money. Yes, I know if you were to make all of those drugs legal at first every body would feel the need to try it and drug addiction would rise, but in the long run it would be as everyday as ol’booze is now. You will always have people that abuse drugs legal or not the same goes with anything on the planet, Diet pills, Coffee, Dr. Pepper or what have you. Pick anything in the world and you can find some that will or has abused it. If you look at countries that have made drugs legal along with prostitution look at the rate of STD, and Drug addiction. I had to throw in the prostitution just to see how many were still reading this post. Sorry if I offended any one. But to get back on topic I would hate to lose a friend or loved one to a drug overdose, but I would hate to lose a friend or loved one to cancer, car accident, drive by shooting. Yes, by the way I have lost very close friends and loved ones killed in all of those manners and it does hurt, but we are humans and we make choices and have to live with them and sometimes the people left behind have to live with them, but that is life on this blue green marble. You can’t count on anyone to nor should you trust any one to makes those choices for you. If it the government making those choices run and hide because they will %100 of the time make the wrong choice.

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You don't see marijuana smokers killing anyone and then blaming it on their habit either. Name one. You can't.

Ok, I'm confused. Are you're upset that drunk drivers kill people or that they don't take responsibility for it?

Because if it's the former, then you should know that pot smokers kill people too. I did a simple google search and picked the first one that came up. Here. I'm sure there were more in the list if you'd like me to post them.

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The driver of a boat that killed a two-year-old British boy on holiday in the Bahamas tested positive for cannabis, according to a confidential police report

I heard he had an extra glass of orange juice that morning. Damn OJ drinkers are killing people!

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[skyberdyber 0]

We could say the same of your p.o.v. Police, governments, big pharma have a huge sales pitch when it comes to drugs. Much of that "scientific evidence" is questionable and frankly the government has a long track record of manufacturing it in order to push the policy of the politician seeking power. Merck had tons of scientific evidence and government oversight saying that Vioxx was great stuff and perfectly safe. Need I say more?

You've picked the one place to say this where many of the readers are as expert as they come with regards to alcohol and drug use. If drugs were legal and pharmaceutical quality, there would be no corollary crime, users would know what they were getting, and would be more educated about the real effects adverse or otherwise. As it is now, nobody really has any "scientific evidence" of the effects of extasy because until recently it was illegal to do research. The only data comes from hospitals when people mix drugs and have a bad interaction or water intoxication. That one damn case with the girl dying from overhydration that has gotten so much press that everyone thinks it's happening constantly. I don't have the actual data but I've seen thousands of people do thousands of pills and never known anyone to overhydrate to the point of toxicity.

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