SpeedRacer 1 #101 January 19, 2007 no, they're not denying that there are risks. Just that many of those specific "facts" in th OP are inaccurate. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #102 January 19, 2007 QuoteGive me a break, skydiving is way safer than doing drugs. I know because two members of my family died because of drugs I don't have enough fingers to count how many people that I used to know who have died because of skydiving. That list grew by two less than a month ago - and both of them were very experienced and very current. QuoteSkydiving also doesn't mess up your body and make you 30 years older than you are. Maybe you don't consider things like being paralyzed, having rods/plates/screws attached to various bones and/or living with pain that will never go away to be things that "mess up your body" or make you feel like you're 30 years older than you are. I do. QuoteAlso most skydivers know the risks. If a drug user wants to keep using despite the risks, it's up to them, but people here are actually denying that there are any real risks. Some people here actually deny that they can get seriously hurt or die skydiving. Saying that skydiving is safer than doing drugs seems to me to be as much a denial of the risks involved in jumping out of airplanes as does anything anybody has said about drugs in this thread. But that's just my opinion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #103 January 19, 2007 QuoteGive me a break, skydiving is way safer than doing drugs. I know because two members of my family died because of drugs and I've worked in a mental health facility. How many dead jumpers do you know? At 17 jumps probably not many. Give it time. You will. QuoteSkydiving also doesn't mess up your body and make you 30 years older than you are. Doesn't mess up your body? Like having a metal bar in your leg? Spending months in the hospital due to a mistake? QuoteAlso most skydivers know the risks. Not quite. There's many a young jumper that downsizes to fast, ignores advice to slow down, claiming he knows what he's doing, and up putting a crater somewhere. Knowledge and understanding comes with age and experience. Skydiving is far more dangerous than any drug I've ever done (and although I'm clean now, I've done more than you've heard of.) Why? I can control what is happening. If I notice a drug is having a bad effect, I can stop, go get water, go to sleep, etc, to help my body recover. A friend can grab me and give me things to counteract what just happened. If I'm in a bad skydive, guess what? I've got sixty seconds to fix something. If I'm in a collision with someone else (has happened to me) and I get knocked out, and I don't have a Cypres, I'm dead. No one can save me. QuoteIf a drug user wants to keep using despite the risks, it's up to them, but people here are actually denying that there are any real risks. No one is denying anything.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #104 January 19, 2007 QuoteI can only regurgitate what I was told today: Quote Yes, we can tell that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #105 January 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteI am sorry for whatever happened to you. Quite the sharp wit today Yes, I have been in a zone. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #106 January 19, 2007 Quote - Heroin has no harmful effects to the body (excluding overdoses) This is simply wrong. Quote - Taking heroin whilst pregnant is safer for the unborn child than drinking alcohol This might be true depending on how placenta works. Quote - 85% of people who have mental health issues previously used cannabis This is the same as "95% of those who died ate cucumbers at least once". Quote - Cannabis has approximately 37 carcinogenic (sp?)chemicals whereas a cigarette has 3 Might be true. However the number of chemicals does not matter. The amount of those chemicals does. Your bottled drinking water might contain traces of mercury and uranium, and still be safe to drink. Quote - 8 out of 10 ecstacy tablets are fake, nothing more than placebos I heard the same about Viagra, and don't believe into it. Quote - After a mad night of drinking, the headache you get is the membrane surrounding the brain which has shrunk crushing your brain due to dehydration This one is partially correct, the headache is a result of increased internal brain pressure. This is also a well-known fact that you can reduce or even eliminate the hangover if you drink a lot of water - no less than 1 liter - right before going to bed after having a good party, and if you wake up at night, you drink more (and this is why I almost never had a hangover :) Quote - It takes roughly 38 glasses of water to rehyrdrate yourself the next day About 12 (4 liters), if I'm right. Quote - Taking aspirin whilst hungover prevents your body from breaking down the alcohol so should avoid taking it And doesn't actually help. It is much better to eat a non-sweet yogurt. Quote - Cannabis use causes severe permanent brain damage Same as with cucumbers above. Quote - If youve ever drunk to the stage where you have woken up not able to remember a thing of the night before, that means you were probably only 2-3 drinks away from killing yourself as the part of the brain below where your memory is handled is the part thhat controls your breathing and heart rate This is not true either. Quote - Eating before drinking closes your stomach releasing enzymes to break down food and therefore alcohol meaning you can drink more before feeling the effects of alcohol Nope. The food you ate will absorb alcohol, therefore delaying the cosequenses of the consumption. If you ate before you drink, you will be able to drink more, but your hangover tomorrow will be worse. However if you get a single drink just 30-40 minutes before the party starts, this will help to prepare your liver for alcohol, therefore helping your body getting rid of it faster. Quote - GHB (the date rape drug) is used more in robberies than rapes as it puts people in a sleepwalking type state and you can be marched to a cash machine and told to withdraw money and you will without question Maybe. However there are more robberies than rapes. Quote Kettamine can kill you when mixed with alcohol despite peoples belief you can take as much as you want and be fine And one of the worst things you can do to your body is mixing alcohol with Red Bull.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,440 #107 January 20, 2007 A simple line-by-line search on Google would dispute your "experienced" presenter's credibility and "facts."Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JSBIRD 1 #108 January 20, 2007 Quote Had a drugs input today from a very exprienced person in that field who works with multiple agencies. Some of the interesting facts we learnt: - Heroin has no harmful effects to the body (excluding overdoses) - Taking heroin whilst pregnant is safer for the unborn child than drinking alcohol - 85% of people who have mental health issues previously used cannabis - Cannabis has approximately 37 carcinogenic (sp?)chemicals whereas a cigarette has 3 - 8 out of 10 ecstacy tablets are fake, nothing more than placebos - Cocaine on the streets is on average only 4% pure - After a mad night of drinking, the headache you get is the membrane surrounding the brain which has shrunk crushing your brain due to dehydration - It takes roughly 38 glasses of water to rehyrdrate yourself the next day - Taking aspirin whilst hungover prevents your body from breaking down the alcohol so should avoid taking it - Ecstacy is the biggest killer amongst drugs often causing the brain to swell and being forced out of gaps in your skull as your body takes on too much water. You feel you need to drink but youur body doesn't get rid of it - Cannabis use causes severe permanent brain damage - If youve ever drunk to the stage where you have woken up not able to remember a thing of the night before, that means you were probably only 2-3 drinks away from killing yourself as the part of the brain below where your memory is handled is the part thhat controls your breathing and heart rate - Eating before drinking closes your stomach releasing enzymes to break down food and therefore alcohol meaning you can drink more before feeling the effects of alcohol - GHB (the date rape drug) is used more in robberies than rapes as it puts people in a sleepwalking type state and you can be marched to a cash machine and told to withdraw money and you will without question - Amphetamine use can cause a haemorage (sp?) in the brain due to the over exertion of the body and undue stress caused to it - Kettamine can kill you when mixed with alcohol despite peoples belief you can take as much as you want and be fine Plenty of other facts we learnt too. Really was a fascinating input. Honest, no nonsense from someone who really knows. Guy who taught us was a previous drug dealer/user who got sent away, studied on physiology etc and now works in partnership with organisations all over the world including the Srious Organised Crime people in UK, DEA in the states and many other places. It seems if you really want to do a drug, do Heroin despite its social stigma its the only drug that is truly clean when prepared properly and has no adverse effects on the body. Its the lifestyle often associated with the addiction (crime/lack of self hygiene) that causes the problems. Plenty of people have full time jobs and are heavily reliant on heroin. THought you guys might find some of these interesting and shocking like I did. Knowing quite a few users of cannabis I was also concerned to see how harmful it really is, more so than alot of other drugs yet its socially acceptable. Dude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA 359"Now I've settled down, in a quiet little town, and forgot about everything" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #109 January 20, 2007 Quote Dude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA 359 You just compared this situation to Hilter. awesome.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,571 #110 January 20, 2007 QuoteQuote Dude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA 359 You just compared this situation to Hilter. awesome. I have a whole new respect for Godwin's law.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 871 #111 January 20, 2007 god that made me laugh...thanks for that!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #112 January 20, 2007 Drug Prohibition is an attempt at Social Engineering... very little to do with protecting the public or the individual and everything to do with exercising control over the populace..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #113 January 20, 2007 QuoteDude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA Do I really need to make any comment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #114 January 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteDude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA Do I really need to make any comment? He doesn't know what you do. He also read with lots of preconceptions. But I do think at least one of your points confused MJ with E, but maybe they both cause cumulative brain damage. Best to avoid the lot & JUMP!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #115 January 20, 2007 QuoteBut I do think at least one of your points confused MJ with E, but maybe they both cause cumulative brain damage. Quite possible QuoteBest to avoid the lot & JUMP!. AMEN! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #116 January 20, 2007 So is your new avatar an intentional clue to the dude who thinks "Reefer Madness" is a training video? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #117 January 20, 2007 I don't know what your refering to unfortunately. lol Simple boredom I'm afraid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dorbie 0 #118 January 20, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHjHFkDZ1nk It's an old movie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #119 January 20, 2007 You mean documentary right .... Im messing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites imaginatione 0 #120 January 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteGive me a break, skydiving is way safer than doing drugs. I know because two members of my family died because of drugs I don't have enough fingers to count how many people that I used to know who have died because of skydiving. That list grew by two less than a month ago - and both of them were very experienced and very current. QuoteSkydiving also doesn't mess up your body and make you 30 years older than you are. Maybe you don't consider things like being paralyzed, having rods/plates/screws attached to various bones and/or living with pain that will never go away to be things that "mess up your body" or make you feel like you're 30 years older than you are. I do. QuoteAlso most skydivers know the risks. If a drug user wants to keep using despite the risks, it's up to them, but people here are actually denying that there are any real risks. Some people here actually deny that they can get seriously hurt or die skydiving. Saying that skydiving is safer than doing drugs seems to me to be as much a denial of the risks involved in jumping out of airplanes as does anything anybody has said about drugs in this thread. But that's just my opinion... ok sorry. I just can't stand people that don't want to hear that there may be risks involved with something they are doing (I know there are lots of risks in skydiving). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #121 January 20, 2007 QuoteQuote - 85% of people who have mental health issues previously used cannabis This is the same as "95% of those who died ate cucumbers at least once".Quote - Cannabis use causes severe permanent brain damage Same as with cucumbers above. Quote Kettamine can kill you when mixed with alcohol despite peoples belief you can take as much as you want and be fine And one of the worst things you can do to your body is mixing alcohol with Red Bull.actually mixing canabis and cucumbers seems much worse scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georgerussia 0 #122 January 20, 2007 Quote I don't have enough fingers to count how many people that I used to know who have died because of skydiving. As with driving example, we should compare percentages, not just numbers. How many people do you know who are active skydivers, and how many people do you know who are active drug users?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stayhigh 2 #123 January 20, 2007 i know more smoker than jumpers,,, don't know about drug user tho,,,,, since i don't know any drug user so,,,,Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites karenmeal 0 #124 January 20, 2007 It sounds like you fell for this guys supposed "expertise." It doesn't sound like he really has any scientific basis for those facts. Does he have a degree in any related field? Or did he just do a bunch of google searches? When someone says that they studied something it has a fairly vague meaning. Now if he had a PhD on the subject I would put more stock in these statistics. I'd also listen to him if he only cited research that was peer reviewed. But it doesn't sound like this was one of those kinds of fact-based lectures. Now you've de-railed me from my "studies" and I am on a quest to find peer reviewed research to prove some of these "facts" wrong. Wish me luck. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #125 January 21, 2007 QuoteNow you've de-railed me from my "studies" and I am on a quest to find peer reviewed research to prove some of these "facts" wrong. Wish me luck. not very likely.. the Government has a long history of denying funding for ANY study or research that might contradict its political position when it comes to "Illegal Drugs"... so much for a Free Society...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 5 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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GTAVercetti 0 #105 January 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteI am sorry for whatever happened to you. Quite the sharp wit today Yes, I have been in a zone. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #106 January 19, 2007 Quote - Heroin has no harmful effects to the body (excluding overdoses) This is simply wrong. Quote - Taking heroin whilst pregnant is safer for the unborn child than drinking alcohol This might be true depending on how placenta works. Quote - 85% of people who have mental health issues previously used cannabis This is the same as "95% of those who died ate cucumbers at least once". Quote - Cannabis has approximately 37 carcinogenic (sp?)chemicals whereas a cigarette has 3 Might be true. However the number of chemicals does not matter. The amount of those chemicals does. Your bottled drinking water might contain traces of mercury and uranium, and still be safe to drink. Quote - 8 out of 10 ecstacy tablets are fake, nothing more than placebos I heard the same about Viagra, and don't believe into it. Quote - After a mad night of drinking, the headache you get is the membrane surrounding the brain which has shrunk crushing your brain due to dehydration This one is partially correct, the headache is a result of increased internal brain pressure. This is also a well-known fact that you can reduce or even eliminate the hangover if you drink a lot of water - no less than 1 liter - right before going to bed after having a good party, and if you wake up at night, you drink more (and this is why I almost never had a hangover :) Quote - It takes roughly 38 glasses of water to rehyrdrate yourself the next day About 12 (4 liters), if I'm right. Quote - Taking aspirin whilst hungover prevents your body from breaking down the alcohol so should avoid taking it And doesn't actually help. It is much better to eat a non-sweet yogurt. Quote - Cannabis use causes severe permanent brain damage Same as with cucumbers above. Quote - If youve ever drunk to the stage where you have woken up not able to remember a thing of the night before, that means you were probably only 2-3 drinks away from killing yourself as the part of the brain below where your memory is handled is the part thhat controls your breathing and heart rate This is not true either. Quote - Eating before drinking closes your stomach releasing enzymes to break down food and therefore alcohol meaning you can drink more before feeling the effects of alcohol Nope. The food you ate will absorb alcohol, therefore delaying the cosequenses of the consumption. If you ate before you drink, you will be able to drink more, but your hangover tomorrow will be worse. However if you get a single drink just 30-40 minutes before the party starts, this will help to prepare your liver for alcohol, therefore helping your body getting rid of it faster. Quote - GHB (the date rape drug) is used more in robberies than rapes as it puts people in a sleepwalking type state and you can be marched to a cash machine and told to withdraw money and you will without question Maybe. However there are more robberies than rapes. Quote Kettamine can kill you when mixed with alcohol despite peoples belief you can take as much as you want and be fine And one of the worst things you can do to your body is mixing alcohol with Red Bull.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,440 #107 January 20, 2007 A simple line-by-line search on Google would dispute your "experienced" presenter's credibility and "facts."Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSBIRD 1 #108 January 20, 2007 Quote Had a drugs input today from a very exprienced person in that field who works with multiple agencies. Some of the interesting facts we learnt: - Heroin has no harmful effects to the body (excluding overdoses) - Taking heroin whilst pregnant is safer for the unborn child than drinking alcohol - 85% of people who have mental health issues previously used cannabis - Cannabis has approximately 37 carcinogenic (sp?)chemicals whereas a cigarette has 3 - 8 out of 10 ecstacy tablets are fake, nothing more than placebos - Cocaine on the streets is on average only 4% pure - After a mad night of drinking, the headache you get is the membrane surrounding the brain which has shrunk crushing your brain due to dehydration - It takes roughly 38 glasses of water to rehyrdrate yourself the next day - Taking aspirin whilst hungover prevents your body from breaking down the alcohol so should avoid taking it - Ecstacy is the biggest killer amongst drugs often causing the brain to swell and being forced out of gaps in your skull as your body takes on too much water. You feel you need to drink but youur body doesn't get rid of it - Cannabis use causes severe permanent brain damage - If youve ever drunk to the stage where you have woken up not able to remember a thing of the night before, that means you were probably only 2-3 drinks away from killing yourself as the part of the brain below where your memory is handled is the part thhat controls your breathing and heart rate - Eating before drinking closes your stomach releasing enzymes to break down food and therefore alcohol meaning you can drink more before feeling the effects of alcohol - GHB (the date rape drug) is used more in robberies than rapes as it puts people in a sleepwalking type state and you can be marched to a cash machine and told to withdraw money and you will without question - Amphetamine use can cause a haemorage (sp?) in the brain due to the over exertion of the body and undue stress caused to it - Kettamine can kill you when mixed with alcohol despite peoples belief you can take as much as you want and be fine Plenty of other facts we learnt too. Really was a fascinating input. Honest, no nonsense from someone who really knows. Guy who taught us was a previous drug dealer/user who got sent away, studied on physiology etc and now works in partnership with organisations all over the world including the Srious Organised Crime people in UK, DEA in the states and many other places. It seems if you really want to do a drug, do Heroin despite its social stigma its the only drug that is truly clean when prepared properly and has no adverse effects on the body. Its the lifestyle often associated with the addiction (crime/lack of self hygiene) that causes the problems. Plenty of people have full time jobs and are heavily reliant on heroin. THought you guys might find some of these interesting and shocking like I did. Knowing quite a few users of cannabis I was also concerned to see how harmful it really is, more so than alot of other drugs yet its socially acceptable. Dude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA 359"Now I've settled down, in a quiet little town, and forgot about everything" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #109 January 20, 2007 Quote Dude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA 359 You just compared this situation to Hilter. awesome.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #110 January 20, 2007 QuoteQuote Dude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA 359 You just compared this situation to Hilter. awesome. I have a whole new respect for Godwin's law.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 871 #111 January 20, 2007 god that made me laugh...thanks for that!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #112 January 20, 2007 Drug Prohibition is an attempt at Social Engineering... very little to do with protecting the public or the individual and everything to do with exercising control over the populace..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #113 January 20, 2007 QuoteDude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA Do I really need to make any comment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #114 January 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteDude, you fell for a dealers BS. Adolph Hitler was a pretty convincing speaker as well...I suppose you'd fall for his lines as easy as you went for the ones your 'expert' was spewing. HAHAHAHAHAHA Do I really need to make any comment? He doesn't know what you do. He also read with lots of preconceptions. But I do think at least one of your points confused MJ with E, but maybe they both cause cumulative brain damage. Best to avoid the lot & JUMP!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #115 January 20, 2007 QuoteBut I do think at least one of your points confused MJ with E, but maybe they both cause cumulative brain damage. Quite possible QuoteBest to avoid the lot & JUMP!. AMEN! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #116 January 20, 2007 So is your new avatar an intentional clue to the dude who thinks "Reefer Madness" is a training video? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #117 January 20, 2007 I don't know what your refering to unfortunately. lol Simple boredom I'm afraid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #118 January 20, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHjHFkDZ1nk It's an old movie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #119 January 20, 2007 You mean documentary right .... Im messing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imaginatione 0 #120 January 20, 2007 QuoteQuoteGive me a break, skydiving is way safer than doing drugs. I know because two members of my family died because of drugs I don't have enough fingers to count how many people that I used to know who have died because of skydiving. That list grew by two less than a month ago - and both of them were very experienced and very current. QuoteSkydiving also doesn't mess up your body and make you 30 years older than you are. Maybe you don't consider things like being paralyzed, having rods/plates/screws attached to various bones and/or living with pain that will never go away to be things that "mess up your body" or make you feel like you're 30 years older than you are. I do. QuoteAlso most skydivers know the risks. If a drug user wants to keep using despite the risks, it's up to them, but people here are actually denying that there are any real risks. Some people here actually deny that they can get seriously hurt or die skydiving. Saying that skydiving is safer than doing drugs seems to me to be as much a denial of the risks involved in jumping out of airplanes as does anything anybody has said about drugs in this thread. But that's just my opinion... ok sorry. I just can't stand people that don't want to hear that there may be risks involved with something they are doing (I know there are lots of risks in skydiving). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #121 January 20, 2007 QuoteQuote - 85% of people who have mental health issues previously used cannabis This is the same as "95% of those who died ate cucumbers at least once".Quote - Cannabis use causes severe permanent brain damage Same as with cucumbers above. Quote Kettamine can kill you when mixed with alcohol despite peoples belief you can take as much as you want and be fine And one of the worst things you can do to your body is mixing alcohol with Red Bull.actually mixing canabis and cucumbers seems much worse scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #122 January 20, 2007 Quote I don't have enough fingers to count how many people that I used to know who have died because of skydiving. As with driving example, we should compare percentages, not just numbers. How many people do you know who are active skydivers, and how many people do you know who are active drug users?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #123 January 20, 2007 i know more smoker than jumpers,,, don't know about drug user tho,,,,, since i don't know any drug user so,,,,Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #124 January 20, 2007 It sounds like you fell for this guys supposed "expertise." It doesn't sound like he really has any scientific basis for those facts. Does he have a degree in any related field? Or did he just do a bunch of google searches? When someone says that they studied something it has a fairly vague meaning. Now if he had a PhD on the subject I would put more stock in these statistics. I'd also listen to him if he only cited research that was peer reviewed. But it doesn't sound like this was one of those kinds of fact-based lectures. Now you've de-railed me from my "studies" and I am on a quest to find peer reviewed research to prove some of these "facts" wrong. Wish me luck. "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #125 January 21, 2007 QuoteNow you've de-railed me from my "studies" and I am on a quest to find peer reviewed research to prove some of these "facts" wrong. Wish me luck. not very likely.. the Government has a long history of denying funding for ANY study or research that might contradict its political position when it comes to "Illegal Drugs"... so much for a Free Society...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
