Holy shit, real facts about drugs & alcohol

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Obviously people believe whatever they like. I just find it ammusing that some people would rather believe the sales pitch from their dealer than medical and scientific evidence.

This guy was a dealer, he told us how he used to cut the drugs, both heroin and cocain. Theres no money in cocaine so they have to cut it alot. Its a recreational drug too, people take it, regardless of the quality, swear on the effects they are getting. In some cases thats the effects of toxins or solvents youve just inhaled. Why do you think peoples noses rot?

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- 85% of people who have mental health issues previously used cannabis
While that may or may not be true, even if it was, that statement alone means nothing
- Cannabis has approximately 37 carcinogenic (sp?)chemicals whereas a cigarette has 3
- 8 out of 10 ecstacy tablets are fake, nothing more than placebos
While most tablets don't contain MDMA most of the are not placebos, they tend to be meth or another upper
- Cocaine on the streets is on average only 4% pure
I wouldn't doubt that - the shit changes hands so many times. All depends how far up the chain you're buying stuff. Bottom line is - it's a dirty drug stay away from it
- Taking aspirin whilst hungover prevents your body from breaking down the alcohol so should avoid taking it
That really isn't true. It isn't good for you but not for that reason. What asprin can do however is prevent first-pass metabolism which is the inital breakdown in the stomach before it is absorbed into the blood stream
- Ecstacy is the biggest killer amongst drugs often causing the brain to swell and being forced out of gaps in your skull as your body takes on too much water. You feel you need to drink but youur body doesn't get rid of it
My understanding of ecstacy deaths is that that most are due to overheating. People on it don't realize they need to drink water and or drink alcohol and become dehydrated.

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It seems if you really want to do a drug, do Heroin despite its social stigma its the only drug that is truly clean when prepared properly and has no adverse effects on the body. Its the lifestyle often associated with the addiction (crime/lack of self hygiene) that causes the problems. Plenty of people have full time jobs and are heavily reliant on heroin.

THought you guys might find some of these interesting and shocking like I did. Knowing quite a few users of cannabis I was also concerned to see how harmful it really is, more so than alot of other drugs yet its socially acceptable.

That just isn't true. The problem with heroin and all opioids is that the body develops a dependence on it. You have to detox to stop taking it. Many drugs develop no physical dependance only mental dependances. To say that doing any drug that your body develops a physical dependence on has no adverse effects is just insane. Also, the needles that go along with doing heroin can end up giving you a whole lot of problems if you end up with an injection site infection.

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same here in the states...not that I think any chemical intake is good for us...nor do I condone it or do it...BUT!
the research here has repeatedly stated that when E goes bad in us...it shuhts down the body's ability to regulate temperature...THAT cooks the brain as I recall. Of course I will add the disclaimer that this is hearsay..good enough for terrorist courts but not good enough for me...and ALL governments lie to their people so I don't believe much of their data either....

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Not my point.

How many E users are there in the UK is my point, every weekend, and how many die a year?

Just because its not in the media doesnt mean people dont die mate.

I saw about 4-5 photos which have been taken this year alone in the UK by this paticular person.

Also because ecstacy formulas are continually changing to avoid classification as a class A drug, if the paticular formula (36 currently on record) isnt registered. They just verdict the death as 'death by toxicology' or something anonymous like that.

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That just isn't true. The problem with heroin and all opioids is that the body develops a dependence on it. You have to detox to stop taking it. Many drugs develop no physical dependance only mental dependances. To say that doing any drug that your body develops a physical dependence on has no adverse effects is just insane. Also, the needles that go along with doing heroin can end up giving you a whole lot of problems if you end up with an injection site infection.

Yes. This is due to the body shutting down its production of serotonine. It mistakes heroin for serotonine and stops producing it naturally which is why your body needs the dose and why you become dependent. If your body maintained that dependency and you met it continually you would have no adverse effects

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Holy shit, (more) fake facts about drugs & alchohol.

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How many E users are there in the UK is my point, every weekend, and how many die a year?

Well apparently about 80% of them are only taking placebos.

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Obviously people believe whatever they like. I just find it ammusing that some people would rather believe the sales pitch from their dealer than medical and scientific evidence.

This guy was a dealer, he told us how he used to cut the drugs, both heroin and cocain. Theres no money in cocaine so they have to cut it alot. Its a recreational drug too, people take it, regardless of the quality, swear on the effects they are getting. In some cases thats the effects of toxins or solvents youve just inhaled. Why do you think peoples noses rot?

I'm going to believe experience before I'm going to believe anything the government releases, especially when it's about something they want to keep illegal.

And I'm definitely going to believe in experience before I'm going to believe somebody who is extremely opinionated and unexperienced.

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same here in the states...not that I think any chemical intake is good for us...nor do I condone it or do it...BUT!
the research here has repeatedly stated that when E goes bad in us...it shuhts down the body's ability to regulate temperature...THAT cooks the brain as I recall. Of course I will add the disclaimer that this is hearsay..good enough for terrorist courts but not good enough for me...and ALL governments lie to their people so I don't believe much of their data either....

Yeah, he did say if it doesnt knock you out you will be cooked from the inside out.

I just dont know how anyone can say putting all this shit in your body, by whatever method isnt harmful, paticularly cannabis users.

The old chestnut of 'its natural so it cant be harmful' is bollocks for a start. It is harmful.

I wish you guys could have been present for the input. It really was informative. He delivered the points very well, it took all day. Each with evidence and explanation in huge detail. Unfortunately I cant relay the info with the same efficeincy, only relay it as bullet points.

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lol, I'm not buying some of that crap.

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Cannabis use causes severe permanent brain damage

"Someone" getting straight A's in college after 20+ years of daily use would seem to contradict this.

Of course the fact that I'm replying to this thread at all could seem to prove it...

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I just dont know how anyone can say putting all this shit in your body, by whatever method isnt harmful, paticularly cannabis users.

Nobody's saying its not harmful.

Just that those facts are bullshit.

Besides, everything causes cancer these days.

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"because of their lifestyle"

No, no, no.....I have seen what herion can do to a brain after repeated usage, during an autopsy. Not a pretty sight.

I have heard all of these facts before. I don't think you were lied to, intentionally, BUT, there are some misnomers there.


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Was this guy a Dr? PhD? Was he a college grad? I know he used to use, but did he further his education after his stint with drug use?


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I'm not gonna argue anymore. I believe what I was told to be true. I can only apologise I cant deliver it in the same manner and I can't argue individually as I don't have the expertise or knowledge
I think its useful for people to see these statements and make their own minds up, but I think automatically dismissing it as rubbish because alot of it sounds nasty and maybe even relates negatively to a substance that you may be using is foolish

We are all adults, do what you want. It would be sad if in 10 years time we have a huge wave of people suffering from diseases directly related to this when the info was always there but dismissed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to preach

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Was this guy a Dr? PhD? Was he a college grad? I know he used to use, but did he further his education after his stint with drug use?

His story is, used to be a dealer and user, got put inside. Whilst inside or shortly after leaving studied effects of drugs/phsyiology and toxicology. Now works for police departments and military all over the world dealing with drug issues, training staff, working on covert operations etc

I think he holds more credibility than anyone else. I'd trust him more than any government initiative. I wish I could post some of the images I saw today

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I think the only way to disprove this is lay out all the above and let the people deceide Except the bad ones of course.
My belief these days is, the worst drugs out there are the ones prescribed to you. But hey, don't want this thread to end up in SC

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I think its useful for people to see these statements and make their own minds up, but I think automatically dismissing it as rubbish because alot of it sounds nasty and maybe even relates negatively to a substance that you may be using is foolish

I am not using any of these substances, and I have quite a bit of knowledge on the harmful effects of drugs. I just don't agree with most of the "facts" that you posted, and I think that you might want to do a bit more research for yourself before you decide what to believe.

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Haha, apparantly the biggest symptom that someone is misusing drugs is continual denial of their effects

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Haha, apparantly the biggest symptom that someone is misusing drugs is continual denial of their effects

True, Anything taken to extreme is harmful.
If you abuse painkillers they will damage your liver But they are good because they are prescribed to you.

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I guess it's natural for drug users to not want to look at the facts, because that might mean that what they're doing isn't healthy, and they might actually have to change something. I think there's a word for that...oh yeah, denial, as you said.

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Can you repost the facts again. I seemed to have missed them.

Oh, I don't think there is any.

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I guess it's natural for drug users to not want to look at the facts, because that might mean that what they're doing isn't healthy, and they might actually have to change something. I think there's a word for that...oh yeah, denial, as you said.

Yeah, hopefully all the drinkers and pot smokers on here will pay attention to these "facts" and realize that they would be better off using heroin instead of weed or alcohol.

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I guess it's natural for drug users to not want to look at the facts, because that might mean that what they're doing isn't healthy, and they might actually have to change something. I think there's a word for that...oh yeah, denial, as you said.

Just like many skydivers don't want to think about the fact that they might die because they chose to jump out of airplanes. Is your will up to date?

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I guess it's natural for drug users to not want to look at the facts, because that might mean that what they're doing isn't healthy, and they might actually have to change something. I think there's a word for that...oh yeah, denial, as you said.

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