livendive 8 #51 January 31, 2007 QuoteThe most important thing to remember is never hit an animal or get angry while trying to train because of the energy your putting out is not calm and assertive, and they will pick up on that and you will get no where. This type of training takes time and only working with the dog a few hours a week is not the best way to do this. This needs to be done fulltime and both of you have to be the same in how you work with the dog. For example you can't tell the dog it is ok to get on the bed, if mama don't let the dog on the bed durring the week. I agree with the not hitting an animal or acting in anger, however I establish dominance a little differently. On leash, it's an absurd amount of patience and absolute unwillingness to accept anything other than obedience if there's an outstanding command. I can say heel 50 times in a row (all in the exact same uncompromising tone of voice, no yelling), each with a mild correction (tug on the leash), and without us going anywhere. When the dog minds, there will be treats (for starters) and he/she will get to walk with a gradually increasing amount of slack leash. When they don't, they get no treats, a short leash, and a very boring interaction. Off leash, reverse time-out (ignoring them) and the occasional domination while wrestling gets the point across pretty well. Again, no hitting/hurting them. In both cases, treating does help establish dominance as well...when they know you have all the tasty morsels and they can only get them by submitting, it helps reinforce that you are alpha. Of course I've not had to work out a developed food aggression, so I can't be sure my methods would work. Off hand, I'd think patience, repetition, and only treating proper behavior would work...I suppose that's pretty much what you said. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #52 January 31, 2007 My favorite saying from my schutzhund trainer. "You must be consistently consistent with your consistency" LOL...so true when it comes to the to smart for their own good herding breeds. (I have a Belgian Malinois and an Blue Heeler/GSD mix) Here are some shots of my trouble maker Sherpa. (oh wow my butt looks big )Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #53 January 31, 2007 QuoteI suppose that's pretty much what you said Yes, but everything you posted is so true and the right way to go about training your dogs, and my guess is anyone who knows you and your "pack" would say you have done well, based on what has been said about how well they are at the DZ. I guess the main point in my post was, it takes time and being consistent in your actions and commands in a calm and assertive manner.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladydyver 0 #54 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe most important thing to remember is never hit an animal or get angry while trying to train because of the energy your putting out is not calm and assertive, and they will pick up on that and you will get no where. This type of training takes time and only working with the dog a few hours a week is not the best way to do this. This needs to be done fulltime and both of you have to be the same in how you work with the dog. For example you can't tell the dog it is ok to get on the bed, if mama don't let the dog on the bed durring the week. I agree with the not hitting an animal or acting in anger, however I establish dominance a little differently. On leash, it's an absurd amount of patience and absolute unwillingness to accept anything other than obedience if there's an outstanding command. I can say heel 50 times in a row (all in the exact same uncompromising tone of voice, no yelling), each with a mild correction (tug on the leash), and without us going anywhere. When the dog minds, there will be treats (for starters) and he/she will get to walk with a gradually increasing amount of slack leash. When they don't, they get no treats, a short leash, and a very boring interaction. Off leash, reverse time-out (ignoring them) and the occasional domination while wrestling gets the point across pretty well. Again, no hitting/hurting them. In both cases, treating does help establish dominance as well...when they know you have all the tasty morsels and they can only get them by submitting, it helps reinforce that you are alpha. Of course I've not had to work out a developed food aggression, so I can't be sure my methods would work. Off hand, I'd think patience, repetition, and only treating proper behavior would work...I suppose that's pretty much what you said. Blues, Dave So Dave....is that how you train everyone???DPH # 2 "I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~ I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #55 January 31, 2007 I think it's more how Dave likes to be trained. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladydyver 0 #56 January 31, 2007 QuoteI think it's more how Dave likes to be trained. DPH # 2 "I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~ I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #57 January 31, 2007 Quotemy guess is anyone who knows you and your "pack" would say you have done well, based on what has been said about how well they are at the DZ. They're pretty good dogs. They have a couple commands other than the absolute basics. "Truck" works great for the boxer, as does "Gimme hug" (allowing her up on me by command, thereby forbidding it otherwise), but the bulldog is too short & fat for either of them. On the other hand the rolly-polly build of the bulldog is quite conducive to "bang" (otherwise known as "lay down, roll on your back, and wiggle, pretending you've been shot") Both of them get the gist of "you cross this line, you die" regarding when they can step across the door-line into the hangar and when they can't. The looks they give me when other dogs are allowed inside and they aren't are awful! The bulldog likes to test me on that one though, just putting one or two paws across the line and waiting to see if it's noticed...then entering if uncorrected and particularly tempted, especially by a child. She's a brat, but I don't think anyone can watch her for 5 minutes without at least grinning, if not totally cracking up. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #58 January 31, 2007 QuoteI think it's more how Dave likes to be trained. You obviously have me confused with Remi. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #59 January 31, 2007 QuoteSo Dave....is that how you train everyone??? Would such methods be succesful in getting me wine, massages, and new socks? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #60 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteI think it's more how Dave likes to be trained. You obviously have me confused with Remi. Blues, Dave Trust me Remi likes spankings and collar pops. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladydyver 0 #61 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteSo Dave....is that how you train everyone??? Would such methods be succesful in getting me wine, massages, and new socks? Blues, Dave LOL......you would get that anywayDPH # 2 "I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~ I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #62 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo Dave....is that how you train everyone??? Would such methods be succesful in getting me wine, massages, and new socks? Blues, Dave LOL......you would get that anyway This year is going to ROCK!!! Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladydyver 0 #63 January 31, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo Dave....is that how you train everyone??? Would such methods be succesful in getting me wine, massages, and new socks? Blues, Dave LOL......you would get that anyway This year is going to ROCK!!! Blues, Dave Yep....I think you will be spoiled...one way or anotherDPH # 2 "I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~ I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gonzalesna 1 #64 January 31, 2007 I'll try that...Some people refrain from beating a dead horse. Personally, I find a myriad of entertainment value when beating it until it becomes a horse-smoothie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
