betsi 0 #1 December 3, 2006 can someone give me the link to calculate the price of the cypres? Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #2 December 3, 2006 http://www.cypres-usa.com/usedcypres.aspNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #3 December 3, 2006 Im confused... What do I fill in in the "cypres cost" -part ? Isn´t this exactly what this calculator is supposed to do for me ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #4 December 3, 2006 QuoteIm confused... What do I fill in in the "cypres cost" -part ? Isn´t this exactly what this calculator is supposed to do for me ? Put in what a new one would cost from your favorite dealer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #5 December 3, 2006 New Cypres (original) are no longer on the market. The last ones were being sold at $900 - $1,000. From my observations, the market is generally plugging in about $1,000. The the best value for your money, but if you don't have $1,300 for a new one your kinda stuck with what supply and demand dictates. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betsi 0 #6 December 3, 2006 well, think that looking in all forums,ebay, adverting you're looking for one(well, not buying on rush) you can get much cheaperr that the price of the webside... Also the cypress 2 doesnt need to get battery replaced every 2 years, thats an extra cost you dont have to pay... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #7 December 3, 2006 So are you saying the value of your cypres is higher if you got ripped off by your dealer ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #8 December 3, 2006 I usually suggest $950 for the new price. That was about street price when they went off the market. Street price varied from $850 to $`250 over the years. 4 year service is $160 plus shipping and insurance (usually about $20 total both ways in the midwest). Battery cost ranges from $75 to $90 or $95, sometimes plus installation. With a repack I only charge $75 total. Check your local market. Don't forget the trade in value. This all applies to the original cypres. I don't think there is a cypres II calculator but I haven't looked lately. Obviously all this is negotiable between the parties but I consider $950 fair for both. I paid over $1100 for one of my cypres' and $900 for the other.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betsi 0 #9 December 3, 2006 why do you say ripped off? you can choose your dealer, and most of them have around the same price ... You pay for technology, there is no way to complain because the 2 is more expensive than the one; like everything, prices are increasing,.. Well, by giving you advantanges of the number 2 like no change of battery, the total cost at the end of the life of your AAD will be the same... yes there is a calculator for the cypres 2 as well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #10 December 4, 2006 QuoteNew Cypres (original) are no longer on the market. The last ones were being sold at $900 - $1,000. From my observations, the market is generally plugging in about $1,000. The the best value for your money, but if you don't have $1,300 for a new one your kinda stuck with what supply and demand dictates. Here is a weird one for ya... Yes the "original" Cypres may have sold at $900 - $1,000.... However - if someone wants to buy a new Cypres - they have to pay something more than that on the market, lets say $1,200 for sake of argument... So, the basis for depreciation for the "original" units may be somewhat more than what they used to sell for - as the consumer's "other choice" is a more expensive newer model. Let me give you an example - using two other used widgets to illustrate. Lets say I want to sell a sport bike motorcycle that is 5 years old... The market value for a new bike has increased $1,000 since the purchase of the bike - so generally the market value of used is pretty high. (I am selling my 8 year old bike for 55% of what I paid for it new). Lets say I want to sell a computer that is 5 years old. Technology has made my 1 GHz computer, that I paid $1,500 for new 5 years ago, worth $500 new now. Hence - the used price is about $100 - or 6% of the new cost. Since the motorcycle's new purchase price went up, the used value stayed high. Since the computer's new purchase price went down, the used value is very little. Bring it to skydiving examples... When PD increased the cost of new canopies - used ones all of a sudden were worth a bit more, because someone with 50 jumps on their canopy could say to a buyer, "Ya I know I got it at the old price, but if you don't like my used price, then buy a new one at the new price." So how does this effect the Cypres... If you are going to sell a Cypres 1 - you might get slightly more than what the calculator suggests because the inflation and market forces that make the Cypres 2 more expensive now helps keep the value of the Cypres 1 high. Conversely, a Cypres 2 sold used may be worth slightly less than what the calculator suggests - because the buyer always has the option of saying, "why don't I just buy the Cypres 1 used and save a bit." So, I would argue - that in a free market economy - what should be plugged into the Cypres Calculator "new price" should be an adjusted for inflation and value cost of a new unit sold TODAY. So if a Cypres 1 sold for $900 four years ago - if it was still on the market in today's dollars, perhaps it would actually have sold for $1,150 - and that is what should be plugged into the calculator... Why? Because TODAY's used price is based upon TODAY's new value less depreciation, adjusted for market forces (the computer versus motorcycle example) and inflationary changes. So, if I was selling a 4 year old Cypres 2, I would plug in TODAY's selling price of a new one. If I was selling a 4 year old Cypres 1, I would plug in the best guess of what a new one might sell for TODAY. Then it all comes to negotiation and this whole conversation is thrown in the toilet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #11 December 4, 2006 So you can do all the super secret calculations that you want. It all boils down to Economics 101: "It's all about supply and demand." Just plug in $950 and $1000. And take a round number somewhere in between. That should be fair. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KindredSpirit 0 #12 December 4, 2006 I thought you were supposed to put in the amount you spent on the unit when you first bought it. "Kicking gravity's ass since 2003!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #13 December 4, 2006 Quotewhy do you say ripped off? you can choose your dealer, and most of them have around the same price ... You pay for technology, there is no way to complain because the 2 is more expensive than the one; like everything, prices are increasing,.. Well, by giving you advantanges of the number 2 like no change of battery, the total cost at the end of the life of your AAD will be the same... yes there is a calculator for the cypres 2 as well I think you missunderstood me ... I was only trying to point out how stupid the calculator is. Example : If you were stupid enough to pay 1500$ for your new cypres, the calculator says your unit is worth more than your friends unit wich only cost him 1000$ when he bought it from another dealer.. (both are as new and identical in everyway) My example sure is exaggerated but you get the point I presume... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 December 4, 2006 Quote You pay for technology, there is no way to complain because the 2 is more expensive than the one; like everything, prices are increasing,.. Is that actually the reason? I thought it was pretty much the same price. However, back around the time the C2 was released the Euro was worth about 95 cents, and now it's in the 1.30-1.20 range. Instant 30% increase in price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #15 December 4, 2006 QuoteI thought you were supposed to put in the amount you spent on the unit when you first bought it. If you do that, the calculator ignores the fact that inflation has changed the value of the dollar since you purchased your cypres and you undercut yourself. You should put in the new cost, in today's dollars, if you purchased it today new... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #16 December 4, 2006 Quote You should put in the new cost, in today's dollars, if you purchased it today new... Not many people have bought their Cypres DOM 1999 on "todays dollars purchased it today new" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #17 December 4, 2006 QuoteQuote You should put in the new cost, in today's dollars, if you purchased it today new... Not many people have bought their Cypres DOM 1999 on "todays dollars purchased it today new" Ok - so you have two options... 1) Enter what a DOM 2006 would sell for new... And, since the Cypres 1 is no longer sold, this is a best guess... or 2) Adjust your then purchase price for 8 years of inflation. But I am done arguing economics and accounting because I have to go back to work today and do it for real. Have you heard that commercial on the radio, I think a Mcdonalds commercial - "Laterz, I have to go dominate a spreadsheet". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betsi 0 #18 December 4, 2006 Yes you should put the amount you paid for it... It is true the dollar is very low now, and prices are the same in USA or Europe for this product.. Looks like some of you forget it isnt the same product... lets compare it to a Saber 1 and a saber 2....same name but not same product...(this is why there is no reason to produce the cypress one when you can get better...) and as I explained before, the cypres's prices has to be calculated by his life time including the maintenance..you should take the price+ 2 maintenances and divide it by 12 then get the cost per year...we are not gonna get into maths but guess you guys could understand me (sorry for my unperfect inglish), for the same reason, in the cost of the number one you have to include the price of the battery changes(free in the 2), then at the end both of them would cost you the same... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #19 December 4, 2006 QuoteLooks like some of you forget it isn't the same product... Not me... I suggested you should plug in what the Cypres 1 WOULD HAVE sold for today if it was still produced. This is going to be less than the Cypres 2, because it is older technology. All the other factors (maintenance, battery life) are handled by this online calculator tool. Scientific practice says a calculator (or formula) should have the best data going into it - then the end results can be annotated or altered for emotional and subjective variables. If you plug in the emotional stuff and subjective stuff in the beginning - that emotional stuff can be compounded thru the equation and make the results inaccurate. This is especially true when you plug the emotional and subjective stuff into a variable that is not directly linked to the "stuff". For an example, ignoring inflation and the value of the dollar vs euro in the "new cost" to ADJUST the fact the unit is older technology - is putting dirty numbers in a formula. This is a pretty simple formula - so the compounding of errors is not going to get anyone in big trouble - but still - I believe I would, if I owned a 4 to 5 year old Cypres 1, plug in about $1100 in the calculator and start with that end result as my starting price in the classifieds... That number was by taking a $950 purchase price in 2001 dollars, and compounding 5 years of 3% inflation. (950 * 1.03 * 1.03 * 1.03 * 1.03 * 1.03 = $1101.31) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianfry713 0 #20 December 5, 2006 A new Cypres 2 will cost you around $1,325 + $160 * 2 - $80 = $1,565 total considering maintenance and the trade in after 12 years. That's $130.42 per year, or $133.75 including shipping during maintenance. A used Cypres will cost you whatever you paid for it, plus $160 for a 4 year or 8 year service, plus $85 for a battery every 2 years or 500 jumps or as necessary, minus $80 trade in. This is assuming you never need to buy a new cutter, you're using the 1-pin version, and does not including shipping and insurance, and doesn't include anything your rigger would charge to deal with the servicing or battery changing. I'm assuming shipping is about $20 each service for me. So, if all you care about is cost per year, buy the new one or find a used one for a better value. Otherwise buy whatever you can afford. Calculate value per year of a used one as above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
