cocheese 0 #26 January 30, 2006 I used to be like you with the reckless flying. Now i'm trying to fly like a white man for the first time in my life. Who am i kidding. I'm a nut bag with my planes.Totalled the Tower Hobbies Voyager 40 last Friday. I ran about 2 gallons through it at least. I loved that plane. Bummer.Advice to all : Don't fly low and far away with your antenna horizntal. Bad signal zone. I was coming in to land and was low, slow and far away. Plane flipped at 30 feet high and got squirrly. And if you are fixing the needle valve assembly, hand tighten the fuel nipples or you will swear more than you do after a hard opening. @#$%^%$#@ !!! Two friends just bought the Blade CP heli. Looks like something you should learn indoors with lots of room and keep that puppy no more than an inch high for the first week.Can somebody explain PCM or what it's all about ? and what is the difference between 4.8 and 6 volts when it comes to the receiver/servos etc. Is it safer to go with the 6 volt system ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #27 January 30, 2006 QuoteTwo friends just bought the Blade CP heli. Looks like something you should learn indoors with lots of room and keep that puppy no more than an inch high for the first week. My hobby guy said to learn in your garage. I got the training booms too. Mark off a 10' square and shut it down if you get out of that square. Always nose away hover and if it turns toward you, shut it down. Nose toward you hover is a whole nother thing. -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #28 January 30, 2006 Well I was just at my local crack dealer (Hayes Hobby Shop) and I bought me some new shit. -ParkZone Typhoon 3D. I bought this because I am totally ready for it and am wanting to throw down some hover action. I already have the upgrade 2100 mah LiPo for it. This is the smartest choice as a four-channel RTF 3D plane on the market in my opinion. It comes brushless and ready to run my upgrade Thunder Power LiPo. -Replacement fuselage , cowling, and prop for my ParkZone P-51. This is positively the last time I am going to rebuild this airplane. I was smart enough to buy some of the thin birch plywood as well. I am going to reinforce the backside of the firewall with it. I am also either going to do one of the two following extreme things to the fuse: *install the electrics and then totally fill it with polyethelyne expanding foam.... or... *expoxy the entire fuse to make it stiffer and more damage-proof Either will make it substantially heavier, but I really don't care since I run a big LiPo in this plane. Which would you do if you knew this was a "throw away" plane on it's last chance at life? I also ordered a new replacement fuselage for my AeroBird Extreme from HobbyZone. I don't care how fun the Typhoon might be, the Extreme is still going to be flown tons. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #29 January 30, 2006 A guy at our dz takes all of our wings n things and makes "Franken Otter" type planes simular to the Dura Stick.He only bought one plane in his life, but he keeps fixing up the never ending pile of planes in the trash bin by the trailers.You should see his latest creation with a 91 4stroke on it. Sucker is wing loaded !He's getting my Voyager parts. Another plane that he'll bring back to life like Frankenstein. I like your foam filled fuse idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #30 January 30, 2006 I totally tried to fly my Extreme with the smaller Challenger wing, but it simply wouldn't lift off the ground from taxi launch and wouldn't say airborne from a hand launch. I would have thought it would have had the balls to do it with the big Speed 550 in it.... I am seriously considering putting a brushless motor on my Extreme and using the receiver and servos from a trashed P-51. The only problem then comes from inproper weight distribution. The LiPo up front is simply way too light, so I would have to throw some ballast up front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #31 January 30, 2006 The extreame looks fun. I started out on that line of birds. Electric was cool, now i'm loving the smell of burning nitro like i did when i was kid with a airboat and a Cox .049Can't wait to go 4 stroke and quad flaps. This is a good time to be in r/c. 20 years ago sucked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #32 January 31, 2006 QuoteTwo friends just bought the Blade CP heli. Looks like something you should learn indoors with lots of room and keep that puppy no more than an inch high for the first week. I taught myself to fly heli's with the blade. (I did have 20 years of planes behind me). Get the training gear. Like someone else said make sure that you learn to hover tail in/nose out. Don't even lift it off the ground till you can control the tail and keep it pointing at you. (one thing, as the battery goes from full charge to low, the tail will start moving to the right and as the battery lowers and it requires more pitch the tail will want to move left.) If the tail moves more than 20 deg or so, shut it down and point it back in the right direction. Once you can keep the tail pointed at you, start moving the tail laft and right and bring it back to the starting position. Then lift it off a few inches. This will make it much easier to learn. Once you can hover a full battery, then start sliding left and right keeping the tail still pointing at you. Also work on forward and back. Then start holding the heli in place and turning it left and right. Then start fiqure 8's in a large area. The Blade took a ton of abuse and kept flying. I still fly it in my living room, but have moved on to a Shogun and a .50 sized heli. I have never used training gear on any of the other helis, and have started some acro. I got the Blade in Sept."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #33 February 1, 2006 Great day to fly. Last day of good ice for a while. My foot slipped toward the seawall as i grabbed the plane to fuel it.And i even had spiked boots on. (The top of the sea wall makes a good work bench.) Anyway........ my foot went through the ice (because there is a 2 inch gap of water from the heat of the metal sea wall.) and at the same time my forearm crushed the wing of the Twist 40. @#$%&$$$ It was sign not to fly today. too windy anyway. Beyond true and straight repair for my nerves so i'm going to order a new wing or maybe a new arf version for $100 and have spare parts. Or i could just use duct tape and card board for about $1. and fly the warped wing from hell. Ever smash your plane walking out the door of the house ? or by falling on it ? Oh the joys of r/c. Tell me i'm not the only one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #34 February 1, 2006 QuoteTell me i'm not the only one. Try driving out to your field (45+minutes away), only to have the wing get snapped in half by a bystander 5 year old. NOT impressed. As a quick aside: To any looking to get into 3D helis, the biggest improvement I can suggest is getting some decent weight in your blades (If you're going electric). You are really relying on keeping up the rotor rpms, and those little foamie blades kinda suck. Or just go gas and buy some v-blades and the lightest paddles you can find. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #35 February 2, 2006 QuoteEver smash your plane walking out the door of the house ? or by falling on it ? Oh the joys of r/c. Tell me i'm not the only one. I took my cherry Goldburg Chipmunk. I mean the thing is perfect, no wrinkles in the covering cowl fits like a glove...Most perfect plane I own. Very proud of it. Anyway had it in the trailer I take to the field (5' X 10' feet, shelf in the front so I can put my 1/3 scale Pitts). Anyway, my Sig Hog Bipe works itself loose and performs a half flip swan dive from the shelf. Makes a perfect OS .91 outline of the head in the covering and breaks a rib. I was not happy, but the repair came out pretty good. You can't tell unless you know to look for it. In other news had my first extended Heli inverted hover today. Made 4 flights and was able to hold an inverted hover for about 2 mins a couple of times. Also had my first nose in landing."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #36 February 2, 2006 QuoteAs a quick aside: To any looking to get into 3D helis, the biggest improvement I can suggest is getting some decent weight in your blades (If you're going electric). You are really relying on keeping up the rotor rpms, and those little foamie blades kinda suck. Really? I found the foam blades to have a quicker response time. I have wood blades on there now, but the stock shogun blades were really quick on the cyclic. I was told that light paddles and light blades make the cyclic faster. If light paddles work better...Would'nt light blades have the same effect? I have only been flying helis since Sept/Oct, so I don't know. What do you think?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #37 February 2, 2006 I guess it has always been my impression that it's nice to maintain those head rpms, and the only electrics I've flown bogged down pretty quick without that extra momentum. Then again, I haven't flown a li-poly/brushless, so I might just be stuck in the old days. For my gasser and glow, I definately enjoy a little more weight in the blades. The drag blades have 80 grams of lead in the tip, and I think the V-blades (which I use solely for 3D) are also pretty heavy too. P.S - Raptors are the bomb.com when it comes to maintenance/fixing. I cry a little when I crash my carbon xcell. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #38 February 2, 2006 QuoteI guess it has always been my impression that it's nice to maintain those head rpms, and the only electrics I've flown bogged down pretty quick without that extra momentum. Then again, I haven't flown a li-poly/brushless, so I might just be stuck in the old days Funny story. I have a Shogun with a brushless 400. I set it up with an old Lipo 1500 battery (the only one I had. Well it seems that the battery was really worn down. I bought some more lipo's 1320 and 1700. The head speed jumped up a bit...But Im new to heli's and don't know much so I never worried about it. Anyway I had wood blades on it and was flying it around at the field. It was flying weird, so I brought it in to land. The landing was not perfect, but not bad...The thing just blew up. I sat there shocked while my shogun was doing the chicken dance. Everyone that saw it thought it was a soft landing, but the thing just blew apart. One blade was found 30 feet away and the section between the hole and the edge towards the head was gone like it was cut with a knife. Anyway it was not a blade strike since the boom was perfect. I took it to the hobby shop and rebuilt it there. For the maiden after the repair the LHS owner took it up...Before it spooled all the way up he shut it down and said ,"Damn, what head speed do you have?" It seems the speed was so fast that it just threw the balde. YIKES! For glow everyone said to get heavy blades once I break the wood ones I have now. They say they are stiffer and better for auto's. QuoteP.S - Raptors are the bomb.com when it comes to maintenance/fixing. I cry a little when I crash my carbon xcell I plan on buying a Raptor soon. Once I either go as far as I can with the Venture .50 I have, or make a smoking hole with it"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #39 February 2, 2006 I think it is HILARIOUS that you describe the floppy chicken dance. Is this a description all RC heli pilots just know from birth? Seriously, I've never seen it described anywhere, but EVERY heli pilot I know has used it. I suppose it is an extremely accurate description though. As for winging off a blade, HOLY HELL! Probably not something you would have appreciated while hovering at eye level. QuoteOne blade was found 30 feet away and the section between the hole and the edge towards the head was gone like it was cut with a knife. Did it not have blade grips on there? .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #40 February 2, 2006 QuoteI guess it has always been my impression that it's nice to maintain those head rpms, and the only electrics I've flown bogged down pretty quick without that extra momentum. Then again, I haven't flown a li-poly/brushless, so I might just be stuck in the old days. For my gasser and glow, I definately enjoy a little more weight in the blades. The drag blades have 80 grams of lead in the tip, and I think the V-blades (which I use solely for 3D) are also pretty heavy too. P.S - Raptors are the bomb.com when it comes to maintenance/fixing. I cry a little when I crash my carbon xcell. .jim A brushless motor with a Castle Creations controller in "governor" mode won't bog down unless you are under-batteried or over-pitched on the rotor. Some other controllers have governor mode too, but all my experience is with CC.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #41 February 2, 2006 QuoteI think it is HILARIOUS that you describe the floppy chicken dance. Is this a description all RC heli pilots just know from birth? Seriously, I've never seen it described anywhere, but EVERY heli pilot I know has used it. I call it "The Kicken Chicken" from my SCUBA days, but the guys around here call ti the chicken dance. QuoteDid it not have blade grips on there? It had blade grips. You know the hole where you put the bolt through? Imagine if you took a saw and cut from the hole to the end of the blade. There was a perfect "U" as if it just spun so fast it ripped out. YIKES! Just another example of a newbie not knowing something was dangerous, I thought it was OK...This time in a different hobby."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #42 February 2, 2006 Joey D'Annunzio and I were out flying today. As he totally pounded in his Stryker yesterday afternoon (didn't know if it were upright or inverted and piled in at full throttle from about 40 feet when he tried to "pull up"), we botched together a plane out of some of our many wrecked parts. We screwed a Speed 550 brushed motor on the top-rear of an Aerobird Challenger wing, used an ESC, servos and batteries from his Corsair, and put it all in a busted up Challenger fuse. It was very heavilly wingloaded, but we thought it might fly. We were, of course, wrong. Under-batteried was my final conclusion. I didn't want to smoke his ESC with my big LiPo, so we called that plane dead. On a different note, I have been amazingly good these past two days with my much-wrecked P-51. I seem to have it totally dialed now and flew three full LiPo battery evolutions without ever smacking in. I guess it's gonna be some time till I transfer the electrics over to my Stryker.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #43 February 3, 2006 Does anybody here have good experience/thoughts on 3D indoor electrics? I'd be interested in investing, but not if they suck. I can definately handle CCPM, and would prefer that, and symmetric blades. Suggestions? As for the governer, those I have used, but only for our little foamie airplane that has adjustable pitch. It's pretty sweet to go into a hard reverse. Like I said, my experience with electric helis is just a little outdated. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #44 February 4, 2006 Well had an exciting day. Flew 7 or 8 flights with my venture and had a blast. The exciting part. Had my first Auto. Everyone told me that my Venture with the wood blades does not auto very well, so I should wait to practice till I get my next heli. Anyway a guy named Anthony that used to work for Youngblood helped me get it running really well. But my dumb ass left a clip on the back pressure hose and during my climb out at 100 feet or so the engine died. All I heard was "Auto!!!!" and in my mind my buddy telling me that this thing will not auto well. I dumped the pitch, and managed to pull a pretty good auto (As in the thing is still in one piece ) Honestly it was about as exciting as my first cutaway."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #45 February 4, 2006 It's always a 2 cent part bringin ya down. I once had a Quickie 40 hydro plane boat i spent all winter building and buying parts for it. The switch viberated off just as i hit full throttle. Damn she cooked sweetly without my control for about 7.3 seconds. Then it hit a sea wall. A 2 cent piece of fuel line could have prevented the switch from doing that. And i even thought about putting it on the water proof switch i had, but i forgot. Well my 1st 4-stroke came today and so did i when it started right up on the test stand. Man the Ultra Stick, i can't wait to finish it. I heard "crow" flaps are too cool. And did i mention i'm done buying 2 strokes ?Trying to fly the Twist with new wing in 9 hours. I better get to bed. R/C power ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #46 February 4, 2006 Chuck, I did not know that you flew R/C, along with the rest of you guys. A little history, I used to perform with my R/C models at full scale airshows before I stated Skydiving. You need to come down and fly my new Extra 330L (38%).With the BME it is a great 3D performer. Or depending on your skill, I can let you fly my .60 Stik that has a Veco .61 Clarence Lee Custom engine. The engine is about 36-38 years old and the Stik was built about 1986. MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #47 February 4, 2006 QuoteI did not know that you flew R/C, along with the rest of you guys. I started flying when my dad got me a plane for my 13th birthday, 20 years ago. Ironicly, the only time I really never flew RC was when I was in Raeford in the Army."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #48 February 4, 2006 QuoteChuck, I did not know that you flew R/C, along with the rest of you guys. A little history, I used to perform with my R/C models at full scale airshows before I stated Skydiving. You need to come down and fly my new Extra 330L (38%).With the BME it is a great 3D performer. Or depending on your skill, I can let you fly my .60 Stik that has a Veco .61 Clarence Lee Custom engine. The engine is about 36-38 years old and the Stik was built about 1986. MEL Hey, I've done "full size" airshows too, most recently with my r/c rocket planes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrigger1 2 #49 February 4, 2006 Kallend, That's got to be wild!! Oh by the way, we did the air show thing, I used smoke systems designed and built by Don Harris in CA to help please the crowd. Does anyone know if he is still around out there??? I think he lived in Irvine, CA. MELSkyworks Parachute Service, LLC www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #50 February 5, 2006 OK heli pilots. Question. Raptor .50 or Sceadu .50? Maybe the new Skyskipper? Although since I hate being the kid on the block with the new toy its at the bottom....But at least it will not kill me if it sucks."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
