PhreeZone 20 #1 October 22, 2006 I know there was the old Parachuteriggers.com listing of manuals online but it seems that they have moved to a pay model for the manauls. Is there another online site for them or if not is there enough interest out there for me to put something together?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #2 October 23, 2006 A similar repository has also been suggested for the PIA Riggers' Forum. Last thing I heard, councilman was trying to talk the web administrator into finding the space. The next step would include convincing a PIA member to sponsor the repository of old manuals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #3 October 23, 2006 I'd be more than happy to donate space. I've got lots to spare, but I don't have the time or expertise to collect the manuals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 October 23, 2006 I just threw 250 megs worth of manuals online at my site. I've got another 17 gigs of storage space if needed. www.phreezone.com/rigging If anyone has additional material please contact me and I'll upload it to the site and spin it off as its own domain.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #5 October 23, 2006 Relative Workshop has several PDF manuals. Sunrise Rigging, too (Wings Manual)"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 October 23, 2006 RWS manuals are adding as we speak... Anything else anyone can point me at? I'll work on getting a domain setup for this in the next few days.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katzurki 0 #7 October 23, 2006 Some canopies. Some containers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #8 October 23, 2006 QuoteAnything else anyone can point me at? These manuals always seem to be asked for every once in awhile.If you want them let me know and I'll send them to you: TM 10-1670-287-23&p (this is for the MC4 and MTX series) TM 10-1670-305-23&p (this is for the AR2 unit) TM 10-1670-300-20&p (this is for repairs and special tools for ancillary equipment) TM 10-670-201-23 (this is a technical and maintenace manual for the up keep of Military parachutes and systems) Spotting class and wind calculation formulas can be downloaded from these links http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=3213; http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=3212 http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=3450;"It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #9 October 23, 2006 All of these are uploading currently. Looks to be about 45-50 manauls so far. Anyone have the Sidewinder or Raven manuals?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,454 #10 October 23, 2006 Hi Phree, Sidewinder manual is on Flying High's website. You should be able to get it there. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #11 October 23, 2006 Hey Phree, How many copyrights are you violating? Seriously, not to be a wet blanket but recently a two cd library, (not particularly complete) was published and is for sale. The author did not receive permission to duplicate many of the manuals. Actually, as I understand it, he never asked, at least some manufacturers. And never checked with the manufacturers on which manuals should be included. He DOES include many service bulletins but not all. Also some manuals had addendums that may or may not be included. While obviously more information is better than none, incomplete information is not good. For, instance, Sunrise has change the wings manual at least once if not more. I always have to go to the website to make sure I grabbed the right one. (one of these days I'll mark it.) There are Security pilot rig manuals that indicate a 10 year plus 5 with evaluation service life. There are others that don't. I'd suggest some caution, not only with the copyright issue but with the completeness of the information and the limited scope of any particular manual. These are some of the issues I've been thinking about in trying to decide if this was do-able. I'm more than happy to share and often send out manuals that I have electronically. But, what about the newbie rigger who pulls a Reflex manual but doesn't know about the service bulletins? A little caution might be in order. In the mean time I'll download everything you have up.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytash 0 #12 October 23, 2006 my understanding of copywrite is around making money from other people's IP. So selling a CD would be a violation, but just having a copy of something already on the internet somewhere else on the internet should be ok. Perhaps an IP lawyer can fill us in. On the fact that things may go out of date, perhaps it's worth adding links to those manufacturer website that have manual on them rather than the manual itself? I guess the older ones aren't that likely to be out of date . And now that you're a greenie - perhaps worth making a sticky link to the repository (somehow that sounds like toilet humour, but isn't meant to be ) tashDon't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #13 October 23, 2006 QuoteBut, what about the newbie rigger who pulls a Reflex manual but doesn't know about the service bulletins? I'd suggest a "Here's the link to the manufacturer's website, but if it's down, here's the manual." In addition, maybe a link to the APF SB page? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #14 October 23, 2006 Dactyl Manual Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #15 October 24, 2006 QuoteAll of these are uploading currently. Looks to be about 45-50 manauls so far. Anyone have the Sidewinder or Raven manuals? Here's a link to the Sidewinder Manual http://www.telusplanet.net/public/flyhigh/ownersmanual/Sidewider.manual2001.pdf"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koppel 5 #16 October 30, 2006 If your ever on the South Side of the Equator let me know and you get a big bottle of anything you like for making mhy life so much easier. Thanks dudeI like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #17 October 30, 2006 QuoteI know there was the old Parachuteriggers.com listing of manuals online but it seems that they have moved to a pay model for the manauls. Is there another online site for them or if not is there enough interest out there for me to put something together? I have a copier at work that acts like a high speed scanner. I can make a PDF out of any old manual that is not online. I then can send it to Phree... So Phree and guys, if you need my services, PM me for my address and you will have a digital version ASAP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #18 October 30, 2006 Quote I'm more than happy to share and often send out manuals that I have electronically. But, what about the newbie rigger who pulls a Reflex manual but doesn't know about the service bulletins? A little caution might be in order. In the mean time I'll download everything you have up. Well - Phree could LINK to all the manufactures for the recent versions of the manuals and just be a great one stop domain so you don't have to dig thru the manufacturer's site but just get to the right page in one click - if the manufacture has it online. I think Phree's services are best used for the manufactures who don't have their manuals online - or an archive of previous versions...??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #19 November 8, 2006 Any reason the whole directory has been removed from your server? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #20 November 8, 2006 He moved it to another dedicated site and sent it out to some for review. PM him for the site. Not mine to tell.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #21 November 15, 2006 As some of you may have noticed in my sig line, www.parachutemanuals.com is now online. I've just put the files up there. If you have additional files let me know. Some are missing since I do not have them, others have been removed at the request of the owner. This is an early version of what I have envisioned but its going to take a long time to get my vision to reality so I figured I'd go with what I have done already. I'd love to have feedback on the site.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LisaM 0 #22 November 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteBut, what about the newbie rigger who pulls a Reflex manual but doesn't know about the service bulletins? I'd suggest a "Here's the link to the manufacturer's website, but if it's down, here's the manual." In addition, maybe a link to the APF SB page? Rigminder stores service bulletins on their website. Several of the manufacturers have agreed to send any they get as well so Rigminder can stay up to date. http://www.rigminder.net/servicebulletin.asp ~ Lisa ~ Do you Rigminder? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #23 November 15, 2006 As its been pointed out to me several times, I don't have all the service bulletins. I scanned Rigminder and they are short of lots of them also. The industry is lacking an effective storage location for all the SB's and documention. Its no wonder that field riggers often don't comply with some of the less publicized or older SB's, they just don't know they are out there. I have a vision for where I would like my site to go towards but before I put any more time into it I would like some feedback from those that have taken a look at it to see what I need to do to make it an ideal site.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #24 November 15, 2006 APF List of Service Bulletins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USPA 0 #25 November 15, 2006 I just learned Icarus has a reserve, I didn't know that yet.. :D. The site is a bit boring, but extremly functional. Maybe move the manufactorers to a "manufactorer contact" page. I don't like the setup with folders etc. as a layout, but it is clear and functional. Maybe you should add a "new servicebulletins" page. I mised the Argus, manual can be found on their site: http://www.argus-aad.com/media/Downloads/Manual.pdf Out of curiousity, what manuals did you remove and for which reasons? (They have every right. since there are copyright laws, just curious of why someone would want that..)The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites