ACMESkydiver 0 #1 April 20, 2007 Yeah my sig line rocks, I'm excited. There is one little tiny insignificant glitch we might have to deal with, though... Joe is an SFC, and his out date is 25 April. ETS. Done. No further reserve commitment, blah blah blah. HOWEVER, they did make him send in a letter to DA to REQUEST to leave the service on his out date... Ok. Here's the sticky part; apparently the reenlistment NCO from his unit is pissed off or something that he didn't realize Joe's out date was here. So he gave him some shit at drill last weekend saying that if the unit didn't file his request and paperwork in time, he might have to come in for May drill (he said something like, "Ok sure." followed with "BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!" to his buddies. ) My question is if THEY didn't file his 'out' paperwork in time, and they say he needs to attend May drill (and FUCK THEM, by the way -I have tickets to New York that weekend) does that ALSO then extend out his time meaning that they could then put him on active duty for deploy up until they get their paperwork straight?!? This is not an 'opinion on the government' thread, I'm looking for facts. Don't anyone be a prick and get it moved to SC, please. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #2 April 20, 2007 I never heard of having to request getting out, but then again, we live in different times. When I was in the Army guard, I didn't commit to re-up and they submitted the paperwork without my approval, and apparently someone signed it for me. I told them to froget it - and ignored their calls, since I did not sign anything. I got my honorable discharge a few months later in the mail. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #3 April 20, 2007 I am not sure what his exact circumstances are since he's not really retiring from active duty. What I CAN tell you, though, is that "you are not out till you are out." You are not out until you have signed your final out and have been given your certified copy of your DD 214. That's how it works on the active duty side anyway. I am not exactly sure what you are implying that he owes them. Are you saying that they do not have his final out paperwork completed? With us, it's a backwards planning process. -Submit 4187 requesting retirement on a certain date (including back-dating for terminal leave and permissive TDY). This, of course, only possible if your MOS is not stop-lossed because of the war. -wait for your paperwork to be signed up to the O6 level (I walked mine through). -wait for PAC to submit your signed 4187 retirement packet to retirement services. -get your orders cut by retirement services and make appointments -attend mandatory pre-retirement briefings, physicals, etc. -get your clearing papers ten days out -clear your unit and post -show up in uniform for your final out, get your DD-214, say good bye -get on with the rest of your life Chuck Blue SFC (ret) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #4 April 20, 2007 QuoteMy question is if THEY didn't file his 'out' paperwork in time I had a friend go through something similar going from the Guard to the Reserves. What it means is that he is still "in" until his paperwork is processed and is subject to being called up and is required to show up for drill. As long as his CoC is aware of his intentions to seperate and he continues to make sure that his paperwork is submitted by the unit, which may require him to hound someone in the S1, he should be "ok". Sounds like the re-enlistment guy had his ass handed to him by the CoC for not knowing one of the units Soldiers was seperating. If my friends past experience is any indicator of how much effort(lack there of) they put into these types of matters, it would behoove Joe to be the proverbial "squeeky wheel" and ensure his paperwork is in order and submitted."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #5 April 21, 2007 Quote Quote My question is if THEY didn't file his 'out' paperwork in time I had a friend go through something similar going from the Guard to the Reserves. What it means is that he is still "in" until his paperwork is processed and is subject to being called up and is required to show up for drill. As long as his CoC is aware of his intentions to seperate and he continues to make sure that his paperwork is submitted by the unit, which may require him to hound someone in the S1, he should be "ok". Sounds like the re-enlistment guy had his ass handed to him by the CoC for not knowing one of the units Soldiers was seperating. If my friends past experience is any indicator of how much effort(lack there of) they put into these types of matters, it would behoove Joe to be the proverbial "squeeky wheel" and ensure his paperwork is in order and submitted. Ok, thanks for the info. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #6 April 21, 2007 There isn't a 'retirement request'...he's been in 15 years and they don't offer an early retirement any more. It's just a letter to his unit commander and DA requesting exit from the reserves on his termination date, ref: dependants diagnosed with severe autism. Nobody from his unit has been stop-lossed, and there is no pending deployment as of right now...I think we'll be alright as long as jerky-boy doesn't wet himself over the paperwork not being in at the right time... ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joblades 0 #7 April 21, 2007 He will no longer be required to attend battle assemblies (drill) with the consent of his CO which is the only person that can declare him AWOL if he fails to show up. Once his ETS date hits he can't legally go in because he is not going to get paid for it as DFAS will put a hold on all his pay until his re-enlistment goes through or DD214 is issued. I have been the XO so I get to do the dirty work. To be on the safe side, he should talk to the CO and if that doesn’t work talk directly to BN or BDE S1~Freedom is never free Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #8 April 23, 2007 Quote He will no longer be required to attend battle assemblies (drill) with the consent of his CO which is the only person that can declare him AWOL if he fails to show up. Once his ETS date hits he can't legally go in because he is not going to get paid for it as DFAS will put a hold on all his pay until his re-enlistment goes through or DD214 is issued. I have been the XO so I get to do the dirty work. To be on the safe side, he should talk to the CO and if that doesn’t work talk directly to BN or BDE S1 Thanks for the info! Fortunately, he's pretty good with his CO. I guess he even lives right down the steet from us, and we never knew it! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
