OMFG!!!!!!!

[bloody_trauma 2]

so im having my wife drive around a little bit before she takes her road test for her liscence and right as we turn out not a block away from the house she runs the tire into the curb and scratched the shit out of my alloy rim, that OH BTW costs 300 bones to replace. and i was saying the whole time she was going towards the curb that she was gonna hit the curb and she F in did it anyway!!! man im sorry america but im about to set my wife out on the road so yall keep an eye out for her. and now she understands why i didnt buy her a new car

Fly it like you stole it

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Rule #1 about cars:

If you like it enough to care about cosmetic damage, never let anyone else drive it.

cavete terrae.

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so im having my wife drive around a little bit before she takes her road test for her liscence and right as we turn out not a block away from the house she runs the tire into the curb and scratched the shit out of my alloy rim, that OH BTW costs 300 bones to replace. and i was saying the whole time she was going towards the curb that she was gonna hit the curb and she F in did it anyway!!! man im sorry america but im about to set my wife out on the road so yall keep an eye out for her. and now she understands why i didnt buy her a new car

Ya think maybe your calming manner may have contributed
You may want to have someonelse explain target fixation to her too

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
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How's yours doing?

[ExAFO 0]

I never understood the attraction of pimp-wagon style rims...waste of good flying hour or jump ticket money. I like my stock wheels on my 'stang...because they did not cost extra...

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[Gawain 0]

She's just now getting her license? How old is she...? Obviously I missed something in the history there, but yeah...bummer about the rims. This is the Civic right?

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I never understood the attraction of pimp-wagon style rims...waste of good flying hour or jump ticket money. I like my stock wheels on my 'stang...because they did not cost extra...

Well, it depends on a number of things. First off, people buy wheels, not "rims", contrary to what the rappers want you to think.

But beyond the cosmetic side of things, a larger diameter wheel can clear bigger brakes. A wider wheel means a wider tyre, which means a bigger contact patch and more traction. A lighter alloy means less unsprung weight, which means faster acceleration.

cavete terrae.

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I never understood the attraction of pimp-wagon style rims...waste of good flying hour or jump ticket money. I like my stock wheels on my 'stang...because they did not cost extra...

Well, it depends on a number of things. First off, people buy wheels, not "rims", contrary to what the rappers want you to think.

But beyond the cosmetic side of things, a larger diameter wheel can clear bigger brakes. A wider wheel means a wider tyre, which means a bigger contact patch and more traction. A lighter alloy means less unsprung weight, which means faster acceleration.

You misspelled "Tire." [/wiseass Yank]

I dunno. After 8 years with a Mustang, I'm thru with American sportscars. My next vehicle will be a bomb-proof bone stock Civic that'll run 200,000 miles with minimal asspain.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[grue 1]

That's because the Mustang isn't a sports car Sporty in some senses, but not a true sports car.

Beyond that, to each their own. I love jumping, but I love cars too. I can't bring myself to do the soulless front wheel drive commuter box thing.

cavete terrae.

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Maybe if you hadn't been saying "omg you're going to hit the curb" over and over she'd have been paying attention to her driving and avoided the curb instead of having you distract her enough to hit it. If you'd kept telling me that I was going to hit the curb, I'd have turned off the car, handed you the keys, and said "fine. you park it."

[DougH 270]

She wasn't parking, she was driving. And if you hit curbs while driving, I hope that you would consider letting me park.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
=P

[willard 0]

I think she was doing just what you told her...avoiding the curb. The one on her side!

[DFWAJG 4]

sounds like you are more concerned about your precious car than you are about your wife. Reminds me of my husband, who I'm about to divorce.

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sounds like you are more concerned about your precious car than you are about your wife. Reminds me of my husband, who I'm about to divorce.

Xenu forbid someone doesn't want their possessions fucked up. Incidentally, by protecting the car, he's also protecting the person driving it.

It amazes me how uptight people get when someone tries to take care of their stuff. "OH YOU LOVE IT MORE THAN ME!!!"

cavete terrae.

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But beyond the cosmetic side of things, a larger diameter wheel can clear bigger brakes. A wider wheel means a wider tyre, which means a bigger contact patch and more traction.reply]

If you maintained the same height tire as the original then you did not increase the contact patch you only rotated it. A wider contact patch on the same weight vehicle will mean better Dry traction, not necessarily wet. Which could be a major draw back when it comes to overall safety.

But either way that sucks about the wheel, check out aluminum shops, maybe they can polish some of it out.
good luck
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If you maintained the same height tire as the original then you did not increase the contact patch you only rotated it.

Uh, you're either not being clear abotu what you're saying, or you're wrong.

When putting on a wider (but not larger diameter) wheel, the length of the contact patch is the same. The width is larger. Thus, the overall area of the tyre in contact with the ground is larger.

As for wet traction vs dry traction, yes, but that's alleviated by not using shitty "no season" tyres like most people seem to love for some Xenu unknown reason.

With my car in the US, I had three sets of wheels and tyres:

Lightweight alloys with high performance summer rubber for, well, summer.

Factory alloys with high performance all seasons for spring and autumn, because of the temperature fluctuations.

Narrow steel wheels with Nokian snow tyres for winter. I ran studded for a couple winters, but the extra noise got on my nerves, so I went back to studless.

Anything else is just a compromise! Sure, it was mildly annoying to have to swap the wheels back and forth, but if you have a halfway functional Y chromosome it should take no more than 3 minutes to change a wheel, so if you spend more than about 15 minutes total to change all four wheels, including marking previous corner location, you need to turn in your man card

cavete terrae.

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Uh, you're either not being clear about what you're saying, or you're wrong.

He must not be 'being clear', because if Jay knows ONE subject front to back (pun intended) IT'S TIRES!

I got a 20 minute 'free' education once at an air show because he saw me kicking my tire!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[lilDevil 2]

Ya think maybe your calming manner may have contributed
You may want to have someonelse explain target fixation to her too

yep ill second that

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Ya think maybe your calming manner may have contributed
You may want to have someonelse explain target fixation to her too


yep ill second that

Pfft. She should get used to pressure.

cavete terrae.

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Rule #1 about cars:

If you like it enough to care about cosmetic damage, never let a woman drive it.

there, fixed it for ya

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Ya think maybe your calming manner may have contributed
You may want to have someonelse explain target fixation to her too

yep ill second that

Pfft. She should get used to pressure.

Or she should dump the husband and get someone who's not being a jerk when she's trying to learn something.

Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.

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Or she should dump the husband and get someone who's not being a jerk when she's trying to learn something.

I'm told that a legitimate driver's ed class can help

cavete terrae.

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so im having my wife drive around a little bit before she takes her road test for her liscence and right as we turn out not a block away from the house she runs the tire into the curb and scratched the shit out of my alloy rim, that OH BTW costs 300 bones to replace. and i was saying the whole time she was going towards the curb that she was gonna hit the curb and she F in did it anyway!!! man im sorry america but im about to set my wife out on the road so yall keep an eye out for her. and now she understands why i didnt buy her a new car

so did you buy some extra life insurance????

DPH # 2
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If you maintained the same height tire as the original then you did not increase the contact patch you only rotated it.

Uh, you're either not being clear abotu what you're saying, or you're wrong.

When putting on a wider (but not larger diameter) wheel, the length of the contact patch is the same. The width is larger. Thus, the overall area of the tyre in contact with the ground is larger.

I'll try again, if you maintain the original equipment overall height of the tire and wheel assembly and do a proper plus 1 or plus 2. Then you do not change the footprint, you only rotate it. If you go wider only, with out figuring the aspect ratio to maintain the original height then yes you have widened the footprint, but you have thrown off your speedometer. And changed the way it will handles (not alwasy for the better)
You can change wheel diameters and still maintain the original height.

By changing the way the vehicle was designed to handle at a specific height with wider tires is not always improved performance.

Now unless I have forgotten the 17 years as a distric wholesale and retail manager in the tire business. I think I have most of it right.

And when you are talking about a high performance vehicle. You have one of two choices, great dry or great wet, but you will never get both. You lose or gain between the two. You can get decent wet but you will lose dry performance.

Hope you get your wheel fixed at a decent cost. That shit does suck. Trust me I know. Many a times I had folks come in and say I dont know how that bubble got on my sidewall.

good luck

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Ok, I figured why you're not making any sense to me.

When I say "a wider tyre", I mean the measurement from outer edge to inner edge, e.g. the 225 in a 225/45-17 tyre. That will not in any way affect your speedometer or odometer.

Yes, when you go +1 or +2, you need a lower aspect ratio (the 45 in the above measurement) to keep your speedo and odo correct. Anyone who changes their wheel for a larger one and doesn't put on a lower aspect tyre deserves whatever is coming to them


Wet vs dry is always a compromise. I used to run Michelin Pilot Sports on my last car, which were great as long as there was no rain, but then I moved to Pirelli P-Zero Neros, then Bridgestone S-03 Pole Positions, which do better in the rain than the Pirellis.

As for the handling of the car vs the performance with new rubber and/or wheels, most cars come from the factory specced for the lowest common denominator: the idiot behind the wheel. This is why almost any car will understeer from the factory, because that's safer for the people who never did anything more than driver's ed.

For me? I'm a nazi about such things, I don't let other people drive my car, so I don't care if Joe Average is going to be able to handle it. So I modify, but keep it balanced. For example, on the car I'm planning on picking up reasonably soon, my first modification (besides changing the turbocharger uppipe to a model with a catalytic converter), will be new rubber because they put crappy all seasons on from the factory. Second modification will be additional bracing in the form of front and rear antiroll bars, to fix the factory understeer. Then come +1 wheels that are lighter than the factory 16s, with wider rubber. Then bigger brakes with higher performance pads and braided steel lines. Then I'll redo the struts and springs, haven't decided if I want to go with a matched set, or go with fully adjustable coilovers. In theory coils are going to be the better choice, but then I know I'm going to have to worry about corner balancing and all that happy crap, and I'll end up making it such a perfect car for tarmac that it'll be a pain in the ass to deal with on gravel

And all that before I even start to dick with the powerplant performance, which is a whole different pile of hilarity

cavete terrae.

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scratched the shit out of my alloy rim,

how many rimjobs to get an alloy rim ?

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