MisAero 0 #1 September 2, 2006 This outumn I am going to buy complete sistem and I really need advice which canopy and container would be the best for me.. My weight is 121 lbs and I am going to choose 135 size.. I think 150 is too big.. ?! And I do not like slow canopies.. I went crazy with my student!! Could someone help me to choose, please! Thanks in advance! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #2 September 2, 2006 Check out this thread for some thoughts on why smaller canopies are generally not advised for newer students, regardless of their exit weight. I am not a canopy expert myself, but there are many people who have posted in that thread who are. What size canopy are you jumping now?"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,450 #3 September 2, 2006 We don't know you or your abilities. Your instructors do - it's best to consult with them first.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #4 September 2, 2006 Buy a used canopy. Its a good start and you are going to exchange it in 1-3 years and would not suck with packing a brand new..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AMax 0 #5 September 2, 2006 First of all, your instructor would be the best person to talk to Consider a container that holds a 150 (tight) or smaller. This gives you a lot of range from conservative ~0.9:1 to pretty aggressive ~1.3:1. allowing to downsize at least twice without changing a container. I know people who thought they can handle a smaller canopy and bought the rigs that don't hold anything bigger. Several months later they were looking for new gear because they needed to upsize The choice of reserve is also a big deal - back to the top of my postQuote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites countzero 7 #6 September 2, 2006 Quote I think 150 is too big.. ?! And I do not like slow canopies.. reply] why not demo some canopies that have different flight charactersitics. you may find a 150 or a 170 that's fast enough to improve your piloting skills on. also check out brian germain's canopy chart.diamonds are a dawgs best friend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #7 September 2, 2006 This just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. You do not have the knowledge or experience to be jumping a 135 anything. There are more things to consider than just wing loading. You would be much smarter to start with a 150 or even a 170 and learn the basics of canopy control. This will allow you make the mistakes and you will make mistakes, on a canopy that allows more time to react and save your self. Like I said this is just my opinion and you will probably go with what you like anyway.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pendragon 1 #8 September 4, 2006 You will be much better off - and enjoy it much more - being conservative to start. If the canopy choice is a little too aggressive for you initially, you'll get nervous and not jump as much as you otherwise would... ultimately it will put you off. There are few people for whom anything smaller than a 150 is suitable. The control lines get very short and the controls sensitive. If in doubt, hire/borrow for a while. Your weight + gear would put you around 1.0 on a 135. Being 0.85/0.9 on a 150 is perfectly acceptable for a recent graduate - especially when light and looking at the smaller canopy sizes. Something like a Pilot 150, Safire2 150 or similar rectangular/tapered canopy would be ideal for you. -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MisAero 0 #9 September 5, 2006 Thanks! Now I am jumping 170, my landings are ok, but at the weekend I did a mistake and landed awfully.. Last winter I sprained my ankle and after that landing it hurts a little... So, yes, I think 150 will really be better than 135... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #10 September 6, 2006 Hey, just my two cents here... i'm right at your weight, and i'm very happy with my 150, still learning a lot everytime i jump it. You can always downsize in the future, what's the rush? Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettski74 0 #11 October 2, 2006 I agree with most of what's already been said, particularly with asking your instructors. Apart from knowing you and your skills, they may know of used gear for sale that you might not otherwise find. That's how I and several of my fellow students found their first rig. Beyond that, unless you're independently wealthy, I'd suggest buying something second-hand and relatively cheap. Not cheap as in crappy - ask your instructor if it's worth buying first - but keep in mind that you're new, you'll be learning a lot, and in a year or so you might want to downsize, so why spend a fortune now when you're still learning? I'd save that money for when I know a little more and want to buy a canopy that's a little more fun. I ended up with something one size bigger than I initially went looking for, but my system has almost paid for itself and allowed me to learn so much more about canopy control. 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NWFlyer 2 #2 September 2, 2006 Check out this thread for some thoughts on why smaller canopies are generally not advised for newer students, regardless of their exit weight. I am not a canopy expert myself, but there are many people who have posted in that thread who are. What size canopy are you jumping now?"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,450 #3 September 2, 2006 We don't know you or your abilities. Your instructors do - it's best to consult with them first.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #4 September 2, 2006 Buy a used canopy. Its a good start and you are going to exchange it in 1-3 years and would not suck with packing a brand new..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #5 September 2, 2006 First of all, your instructor would be the best person to talk to Consider a container that holds a 150 (tight) or smaller. This gives you a lot of range from conservative ~0.9:1 to pretty aggressive ~1.3:1. allowing to downsize at least twice without changing a container. I know people who thought they can handle a smaller canopy and bought the rigs that don't hold anything bigger. Several months later they were looking for new gear because they needed to upsize The choice of reserve is also a big deal - back to the top of my postQuote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites countzero 7 #6 September 2, 2006 Quote I think 150 is too big.. ?! And I do not like slow canopies.. reply] why not demo some canopies that have different flight charactersitics. you may find a 150 or a 170 that's fast enough to improve your piloting skills on. also check out brian germain's canopy chart.diamonds are a dawgs best friend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #7 September 2, 2006 This just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. You do not have the knowledge or experience to be jumping a 135 anything. There are more things to consider than just wing loading. You would be much smarter to start with a 150 or even a 170 and learn the basics of canopy control. This will allow you make the mistakes and you will make mistakes, on a canopy that allows more time to react and save your self. Like I said this is just my opinion and you will probably go with what you like anyway.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pendragon 1 #8 September 4, 2006 You will be much better off - and enjoy it much more - being conservative to start. If the canopy choice is a little too aggressive for you initially, you'll get nervous and not jump as much as you otherwise would... ultimately it will put you off. There are few people for whom anything smaller than a 150 is suitable. The control lines get very short and the controls sensitive. If in doubt, hire/borrow for a while. Your weight + gear would put you around 1.0 on a 135. Being 0.85/0.9 on a 150 is perfectly acceptable for a recent graduate - especially when light and looking at the smaller canopy sizes. Something like a Pilot 150, Safire2 150 or similar rectangular/tapered canopy would be ideal for you. -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MisAero 0 #9 September 5, 2006 Thanks! Now I am jumping 170, my landings are ok, but at the weekend I did a mistake and landed awfully.. Last winter I sprained my ankle and after that landing it hurts a little... So, yes, I think 150 will really be better than 135... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #10 September 6, 2006 Hey, just my two cents here... i'm right at your weight, and i'm very happy with my 150, still learning a lot everytime i jump it. You can always downsize in the future, what's the rush? Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettski74 0 #11 October 2, 2006 I agree with most of what's already been said, particularly with asking your instructors. Apart from knowing you and your skills, they may know of used gear for sale that you might not otherwise find. That's how I and several of my fellow students found their first rig. Beyond that, unless you're independently wealthy, I'd suggest buying something second-hand and relatively cheap. Not cheap as in crappy - ask your instructor if it's worth buying first - but keep in mind that you're new, you'll be learning a lot, and in a year or so you might want to downsize, so why spend a fortune now when you're still learning? I'd save that money for when I know a little more and want to buy a canopy that's a little more fun. I ended up with something one size bigger than I initially went looking for, but my system has almost paid for itself and allowed me to learn so much more about canopy control. Oh, and F-111 fabric is sooooooo much easier to pack than zero-P! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
countzero 7 #6 September 2, 2006 Quote I think 150 is too big.. ?! And I do not like slow canopies.. reply] why not demo some canopies that have different flight charactersitics. you may find a 150 or a 170 that's fast enough to improve your piloting skills on. also check out brian germain's canopy chart.diamonds are a dawgs best friend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #7 September 2, 2006 This just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. You do not have the knowledge or experience to be jumping a 135 anything. There are more things to consider than just wing loading. You would be much smarter to start with a 150 or even a 170 and learn the basics of canopy control. This will allow you make the mistakes and you will make mistakes, on a canopy that allows more time to react and save your self. Like I said this is just my opinion and you will probably go with what you like anyway.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Pendragon 1 #8 September 4, 2006 You will be much better off - and enjoy it much more - being conservative to start. If the canopy choice is a little too aggressive for you initially, you'll get nervous and not jump as much as you otherwise would... ultimately it will put you off. There are few people for whom anything smaller than a 150 is suitable. The control lines get very short and the controls sensitive. If in doubt, hire/borrow for a while. Your weight + gear would put you around 1.0 on a 135. Being 0.85/0.9 on a 150 is perfectly acceptable for a recent graduate - especially when light and looking at the smaller canopy sizes. Something like a Pilot 150, Safire2 150 or similar rectangular/tapered canopy would be ideal for you. -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MisAero 0 #9 September 5, 2006 Thanks! Now I am jumping 170, my landings are ok, but at the weekend I did a mistake and landed awfully.. Last winter I sprained my ankle and after that landing it hurts a little... So, yes, I think 150 will really be better than 135... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #10 September 6, 2006 Hey, just my two cents here... i'm right at your weight, and i'm very happy with my 150, still learning a lot everytime i jump it. You can always downsize in the future, what's the rush? Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettski74 0 #11 October 2, 2006 I agree with most of what's already been said, particularly with asking your instructors. Apart from knowing you and your skills, they may know of used gear for sale that you might not otherwise find. That's how I and several of my fellow students found their first rig. Beyond that, unless you're independently wealthy, I'd suggest buying something second-hand and relatively cheap. Not cheap as in crappy - ask your instructor if it's worth buying first - but keep in mind that you're new, you'll be learning a lot, and in a year or so you might want to downsize, so why spend a fortune now when you're still learning? I'd save that money for when I know a little more and want to buy a canopy that's a little more fun. I ended up with something one size bigger than I initially went looking for, but my system has almost paid for itself and allowed me to learn so much more about canopy control. Oh, and F-111 fabric is sooooooo much easier to pack than zero-P! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
mjosparky 4 #7 September 2, 2006 This just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. You do not have the knowledge or experience to be jumping a 135 anything. There are more things to consider than just wing loading. You would be much smarter to start with a 150 or even a 170 and learn the basics of canopy control. This will allow you make the mistakes and you will make mistakes, on a canopy that allows more time to react and save your self. Like I said this is just my opinion and you will probably go with what you like anyway.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #8 September 4, 2006 You will be much better off - and enjoy it much more - being conservative to start. If the canopy choice is a little too aggressive for you initially, you'll get nervous and not jump as much as you otherwise would... ultimately it will put you off. There are few people for whom anything smaller than a 150 is suitable. The control lines get very short and the controls sensitive. If in doubt, hire/borrow for a while. Your weight + gear would put you around 1.0 on a 135. Being 0.85/0.9 on a 150 is perfectly acceptable for a recent graduate - especially when light and looking at the smaller canopy sizes. Something like a Pilot 150, Safire2 150 or similar rectangular/tapered canopy would be ideal for you. -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MisAero 0 #9 September 5, 2006 Thanks! Now I am jumping 170, my landings are ok, but at the weekend I did a mistake and landed awfully.. Last winter I sprained my ankle and after that landing it hurts a little... So, yes, I think 150 will really be better than 135... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites twibbles 0 #10 September 6, 2006 Hey, just my two cents here... i'm right at your weight, and i'm very happy with my 150, still learning a lot everytime i jump it. You can always downsize in the future, what's the rush? Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettski74 0 #11 October 2, 2006 I agree with most of what's already been said, particularly with asking your instructors. Apart from knowing you and your skills, they may know of used gear for sale that you might not otherwise find. That's how I and several of my fellow students found their first rig. Beyond that, unless you're independently wealthy, I'd suggest buying something second-hand and relatively cheap. Not cheap as in crappy - ask your instructor if it's worth buying first - but keep in mind that you're new, you'll be learning a lot, and in a year or so you might want to downsize, so why spend a fortune now when you're still learning? I'd save that money for when I know a little more and want to buy a canopy that's a little more fun. I ended up with something one size bigger than I initially went looking for, but my system has almost paid for itself and allowed me to learn so much more about canopy control. Oh, and F-111 fabric is sooooooo much easier to pack than zero-P! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
twibbles 0 #10 September 6, 2006 Hey, just my two cents here... i'm right at your weight, and i'm very happy with my 150, still learning a lot everytime i jump it. You can always downsize in the future, what's the rush? Eugene "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #11 October 2, 2006 I agree with most of what's already been said, particularly with asking your instructors. Apart from knowing you and your skills, they may know of used gear for sale that you might not otherwise find. That's how I and several of my fellow students found their first rig. Beyond that, unless you're independently wealthy, I'd suggest buying something second-hand and relatively cheap. Not cheap as in crappy - ask your instructor if it's worth buying first - but keep in mind that you're new, you'll be learning a lot, and in a year or so you might want to downsize, so why spend a fortune now when you're still learning? I'd save that money for when I know a little more and want to buy a canopy that's a little more fun. I ended up with something one size bigger than I initially went looking for, but my system has almost paid for itself and allowed me to learn so much more about canopy control. Oh, and F-111 fabric is sooooooo much easier to pack than zero-P! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
