A Safire 2/229? Oh, don't bother with a Front Riser Turn

[ntrprnr 0]

Accuate statement or not?

Been playing up high to see what it would do. My general answer that I've found up there when pulling the left or right front riser all the way down for a "carving" (for lack of a better word) turn is "not much."

A woman with many more jumps than me (many, many more) said, "yeah, don't even bother with a canopy that big."

I'm just under 1 to 1, having lost a few more pounds.

So is that accurate? It's not even worth it to try? My Alti tells me I don't lose anywhere near anything that would qualify as a "carve" of a turn.

Bummer.

Thoughts?

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[justinb138 0]

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Thoughts?

Play with it up high some more.

I can't get too much out of my Firebolt 200 from a full-flight riser turn before the riser pressure is too high, but I've found if I start in brakes and use a decent amount of harness input I can get a really nice turn going.

Be sure that your brake lines aren't too short either.

[kelpdiver 2]

on a square tri at 1.1, a massive pull on one dive loop generates a slow turn. Rear risers are more effective.

*Up high*, if you do a half brake flare and then immediately go to the fronts you may get more responsiveness. Past that I can only say find your DZ experts and ask them.

I do think your main statement is close to true. I can imput mild harness turns and moderate rear riser action, but the stalling to set up the fronts seems bad down low.

If this is true, where's the threshold where front riser pressure drops off? 1.2 or 1.3?

[bob.dino 1]

Collapse the slider, and bring it down behind your head. Loosen your cheststrap. Initiate from brakes. The difference will be remarkable.

[br0k3n 0]

Im not sure about a 200ish sqft canopy, but what I can tell you is that under a 119 Safire at about 1.4 I would loose about 350ft during a 270 front riser turn. Under a Safire 134 at about 1.25 I would loose about 300ish ft in a 270 front riser turn. Therefore Its probably acurate in saying that your not going to loose a lot of altitude under your canopy..

The Safire isnt a "diving" canopy, as soon as you let off the risers it will recover from the dive quite quickly. This can be also be termed as a "short recover arc".

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[ntrprnr 0]

Thanks for the replies, as always!

I do loosen my chest strap a lot, that always helps in the way it flies. Will try bringing the slider behind my head, that's a new one. Will be interesting to see.

Thanks!

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"Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?"
"Even in freefall, I have commitment issues."

[isaiah85 0]

The responsiveness of a canopy is affected by the size of the canopy, not the wing load. The reason you don’t get much out of your front risers isn’t your light wing loading, it's the size of your canopy. The wing loading only affects your forward speed.

Is it a waist of time to do front riser turns on a 229 sq ft canopy…? I guess it depends on what you’re trying to do. They are going to be pretty heavy and not as responsive as another control, but it's not necessarily a waist of time...


Take it easy!
Isaiah

[johnny1488 1]

Hit me up when your at the DZ, I will give you some stuff to try. Along the same lines of the advice given here.

I spent 300 jumps hooking my Safire 209, so I think we can get you some experience in using all your inputs.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[ntrprnr 0]

You da man.

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"Why'd you track away at 7,000 feet?"
"Even in freefall, I have commitment issues."

[BlindBrick 0]

AFAIK, I'm currently flying the biggest Safire II there is, a 269 which I load at ~1.3. It takes a lot of effort to intiate a front riser turn, but it has a very noticable effect.

I'd suspect the "not much" you are seeing is more the results of your wingloading than the raw size of your canopy.

-MaxGrav

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