Q: CRC Heavy Duty Silicone Multi-Use Lubricant?

[dorbie 0]

I have a can of CRC Heavy Duty Silicone Multi-Use Lubricant in a red can. Is it OK to use to lubricate my yellow (Lolon-F) cutaway cables?

Can says it contains Acetone, Heptane, Dimethylpolysiloxane & Hydrocarbon propellant.

I did a search and saw some posts about avoiding the Ace Hardware red can due to residue, then someone replied saying CRC had lots of products but avoid the red can, but with no explanation leaving me wondering it that was confusion with the Ace product or if ACE just rebrands it.

I did some test sprays and I think the acetone screws up a lot of plastic surfaces people have used for testing. It seems that there's no residue except the lubricant after the propellant evaporates on the right surface.

Here is the exact product:

http://www.crcindustries.com/auto/content/prod_detail.aspx?PN=05074CA&S=N

It seems sound enough, before I take the plunge, has anyone used this on cables? Will Acetone react with Lolon-F?

Thanks.

[hookitt 1]

I'd shy aware from that.

It's commonly accepted to use Ace Silicone Lubricant. You'd think it would be easy to find a picture of it online without going to the pookie bear rigging site but that's how it seems

Here's a picture of it Ace Silicone Spray <== stolen right out of the rigging section of http://www.pookiebearrigging.com/

Here's the Ace Hardware link with a crummy picture of the same product.

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[riggermick 7]

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I have a can of CRC Heavy Duty Silicone Multi-Use Lubricant in a red can. Is it OK to use to lubricate my yellow (Lolon-F) cutaway cables?

Can says it contains Acetone, Heptane, Dimethylpolysiloxane & Hydrocarbon propellant.

I did a search and saw some posts about avoiding the Ace Hardware red can due to residue, then someone replied saying CRC had lots of products but avoid the red can, but with no explanation leaving me wondering it that was confusion with the Ace product or if ACE just rebrands it.

I did some test sprays and I think the acetone screws up a lot of plastic surfaces people have used for testing. It seems that there's no residue except the lubricant after the propellant evaporates on the right surface.

Here is the exact product:

http://www.crcindustries.com/auto/content/prod_detail.aspx?PN=05074CA&S=N

It seems sound enough, before I take the plunge, has anyone used this on cables? Will Acetone react with Lolon-F?

Thanks.

An industry standard has been and still is WD40, I believe it is the same product labled CRC in some countries.

Mick.

[hookitt 1]

The first place I got the idea to use the Ace Silicone Lubricant ==>Here

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[dorbie 0]

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I have a can of CRC Heavy Duty Silicone Multi-Use Lubricant in a red can. Is it OK to use to lubricate my yellow (Lolon-F) cutaway cables?

Can says it contains Acetone, Heptane, Dimethylpolysiloxane & Hydrocarbon propellant.

I did a search and saw some posts about avoiding the Ace Hardware red can due to residue, then someone replied saying CRC had lots of products but avoid the red can, but with no explanation leaving me wondering it that was confusion with the Ace product or if ACE just rebrands it.

I did some test sprays and I think the acetone screws up a lot of plastic surfaces people have used for testing. It seems that there's no residue except the lubricant after the propellant evaporates on the right surface.

Here is the exact product:

http://www.crcindustries.com/auto/content/prod_detail.aspx?PN=05074CA&S=N

It seems sound enough, before I take the plunge, has anyone used this on cables? Will Acetone react with Lolon-F?

Thanks.

An industry standard has been and still is WD40, I believe it is the same product labled CRC in some countries.

Mick.

CRC is a company that makes all sorts of products.

I was told during training to avoid WD-40 because it's sticky and attracts dirt. Some bikers spray it on their license plate to collect road dirt faster, but I suppose most coatings would do that. I'm disinclined to start collecting it inside my hard housings.

[councilman24 37]

This silicone was the silicone of choice. But my can doesn't list Acetone. They've changed the formula. It is still listed as FDA approved for food contact and that was the key. It's volatile along with the other non silicone componet. I spray mine on a papar towel and then wipe the cables. By the time it's sprayed on the towel most of the other stuff will be gone. I wouldn't hesitate to use it on the cables. But, if we can find a spray without acetone it might be a better choice. The old stuff included Heptane, Propane and Isobutane. Two gases at room temp and the other highly volitile. Other non food grade versions had some heavier hydrocarbons in them that hung around.

Here is a version like the old CRC stuff, no acetone.
http://www.superkleendirect.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2188&shopping

ONe confusing thing is that the only place I could find the CRC stuff that was food grade was AT ACE. IIRC the Ace stuff had heavier components and wasn't food grade. But there web site doesn't list it and the others don't have an MSDS.

I'll be getting the food grade with out acetone in the future, whether CRC or something else.

BTW my CRC label was copyright 1997, the one above 2004.

I am a chemist and I don't play one on TV.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[riggerrob 643]

I was told during training to avoid WD-40 because it's sticky and attracts dirt. Some bikers spray it on their license plate to collect road dirt faster, but I suppose most coatings would do that. I'm disinclined to start collecting it inside my hard housings.

[dorbie 0]

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I was told during training to avoid WD-40 because it's sticky and attracts dirt. Some bikers spray it on their license plate to collect road dirt faster, but I suppose most coatings would do that. I'm disinclined to start collecting it inside my hard housings.

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Cutaway cables should be lubricated the same way as machine guns - in the desert.
Use some sort of light oil (i.e. WD40) to loosen the dirt, then wipe them almost dry.
Dry, clean Lolon has excellent self-lubricating properties. Lolon only sticks when it has too much grim, sand, salt, ferrous oxide, gunk, etc. on it, ergo, the less lubricant you leave on cutaway cables the better.

[teason 0]

......and now for something completely different; a man with three buttocks! (lubricating with 3 in 1 machine oil)

Just figured I'd bring it up.

Lolon is hygroscopic when it comes to oils. The dark spot come from the lolon leaching oil out of the housings (the small amount that is left from production process.

The arguement for using 3 in 1 oils instead of silicone lubricant is that it will absord the oil and provide lubrication for about 30 days in average conditions.
Silicone will lose its lubrication after a shorter period of time. (debate will ensue I'm sure)

***Little known piece of trivia***
In suck through tests, lubricated cable took 70lbs of force to pull through a grommet of the three ring system while dry unlubricated took 90lbs.

Just useless trivia, not at all an excuse to not lubricate with silicone or oil.

I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

[mjosparky 4]

This just seems odd. From the label.

Applications wood, plastic, metal and rubber surfaces. Use in moist and harsh enviornments. Not for use as an appeaence cleaner or on paint

Plastic Safe No

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[RMURRAY 1]

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I have a can of CRC Heavy Duty Silicone Multi-Use Lubricant in a red can. Is it OK to use to lubricate my yellow (Lolon-F) cutaway cables?

Can says it contains Acetone, Heptane, Dimethylpolysiloxane & Hydrocarbon propellant.

I did a search and saw some posts about avoiding the Ace Hardware red can due to residue, then someone replied saying CRC had lots of products but avoid the red can, but with no explanation leaving me wondering it that was confusion with the Ace product or if ACE just rebrands it.

I did some test sprays and I think the acetone screws up a lot of plastic surfaces people have used for testing. It seems that there's no residue except the lubricant after the propellant evaporates on the right surface.

Here is the exact product:

http://www.crcindustries.com/auto/content/prod_detail.aspx?PN=05074CA&S=N

It seems sound enough, before I take the plunge, has anyone used this on cables? Will Acetone react with Lolon-F?

Thanks.

food grade silicone is what I remember reading somewhere is recommended. I finally found a place to buy - an industrial supply outfit.

rm

[hookitt 1]

I just got back from Ace hardware. I wanted to try out the CRC food grade but they only had the heavy duty. There was plenty of Ace Pure Silicone Lubricant available.

Do they have an Ace Hardware in Ontario?

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[riggerrob 643]

Do you clean the inside of your hard housings then?

[mjosparky 4]

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Do you clean the inside of your hard housings then?

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Rarely.
A decade or so ago, Parachutes de France issued a Service Bulletin telling riggers to clean cutaway housings that had a excess of cutting oil remaining from the winding process.

[RMURRAY 1]

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I just got back from Ace hardware. I wanted to try out the CRC food grade but they only had the heavy duty. There was plenty of Ace Pure Silicone Lubricant available.

Do they have an Ace Hardware in Ontario?

we don't have Ace Hardwares up here. I have checked all the ususal consumer outlets without luck. I bought a bunch of cans of Osborn Food Grade Silicone (product number 76194) at Acklands Grainger (an industrial supply place) just 5 minutes from my work. I gave to a couple of cans to dropzones because no one I know bothers to lub their yellow cable. I have a Racer with the red cable so never need to lub. only clean it once a year.

Here is where you can get the stuff...rm

http://www.osborn.com/DistributorLocator/DistributorLocator.aspx

[riggerrob 643]

I have found that cleanliness is more important than the type of lubricant.
For example, many years ago - when I was working in the loft at Perris Valley, California - I guy brought a grimy rig in for repack, so I attached a fish scale to the cutaway handle and was surprised by a 25 pound pull!
After cleaning the cables, the pull force dropped to less than 5 pounds.

Note: TSO C23D says that release systems (i.e. 3-Ring) can have a maximum pull force of 22 pounds (10 kilograms) the same as ripcords.

[RMURRAY 1]

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I have found that cleanliness is more important than the type of lubricant.
For example, many years ago - when I was working in the loft at Perris Valley, California - I guy brought a grimy rig in for repack, so I attached a fish scale to the cutaway handle and was surprised by a 25 pound pull!
After cleaning the cables, the pull force dropped to less than 5 pounds.

Note: TSO C23D says that release systems (i.e. 3-Ring) can have a maximum pull force of 22 pounds (10 kilograms) the same as ripcords.

what really matters is the force to release under a small spinning elliptical in line twists. I would like to see those test results of the "3 bloke test" where 2 extra guys are hanging from a hanging harness in lines twists. If I had the yellow cable, I'd be lubricating it regularly and I'd use the recommended food grade silicone....

rm

[mjosparky 4]

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Note: TSO C23D says that release systems (i.e. 3-Ring) can have a maximum pull force of 22 pounds (10 kilograms) the same as ripcords.

What is the maximum pull force on a chest mount reserve?

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[rigger_john 0]

15 lbs

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[mjosparky 4]

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15 lbs

No more calls we have a winner. Smart ass.

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[mark 107]

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Smart ass.

That would be me. 15 pounds is the maximum allowable pull force, but it's easy to create a much higher pull force by bending the pins.

Mark

[masterrig 1]

I'm not a chemist and have not recently, slept at a Holiday Inn Express. I do have a question. Isn't acetone used in some paint removers and wood re-finishing compounds?


Chuck

[mjosparky 4]

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Smart ass.

That would be me. 15 pounds is the maximum allowable pull force, but it's easy to create a much higher pull force by bending the pins.

Mark

I am not sure I know that method of packing, is it somelthing new?

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[masterrig 1]

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Smart ass.

That would be me. 15 pounds is the maximum allowable pull force, but it's easy to create a much higher pull force by bending the pins.

Mark

I am not sure I know that method of packing, is it somelthing new?

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I don't think, I want to know!


Chuck

[dorbie 0]

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I'm not a chemist and have not recently, slept at a Holiday Inn Express. I do have a question. Isn't acetone used in some paint removers and wood re-finishing compounds?

I'd known it best as nail polish remover. It's a powerful solvent for lots of stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone

I might test it some day if I can get some spare cable, but for cleaning my cables I'm taking the advice here and on other threads.