ltdiver 3 #1 July 5, 2007 A stark reality of the green house effect. Do we need to say more? http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/04/methane.deaths.ap/index.html ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #2 July 5, 2007 This is not a greenhouse effect. Methane occurs naturally in manure. It can also be found in sewers. A couple of city workers died in the Birmingham area from methane in a manhole a couple of years ago. Never knew what hit them. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #3 July 5, 2007 QuoteThis is not a greenhouse effect. Tell that to the scientists in New Zealand who are formulating this solution: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2854385;search_string=New%20Zealand%20methane;#2854385 ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #4 July 5, 2007 Sad. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #5 July 5, 2007 most of the methane in the ATMs come from farm animalsYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #6 July 5, 2007 Quotewhether they suffocated from the fumes or drowned in 18 inches of liquefied cow manure may never be known, Yeah... probably the easiest autopsy ever actually. Q: is there shit in their lungs? A: Yes - they drowned in shit No - they probably suffocated first (backed up by) "ah yes, the blood tox report indicates lethal levels of methane in their blood". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #7 July 5, 2007 QuoteQuotewhether they suffocated from the fumes or drowned in 18 inches of liquefied cow manure may never be known, Yeah... probably the easiest autopsy ever actually. Q: is there shit in their lungs? A: Yes - they drowned in shit No - they probably suffocated first (backed up by) "ah yes, the blood tox report indicates lethal levels of methane in their blood". i dont really think that methane ever comes into the blood. there's simply no more oxygen, so they suffocate, breathing a gas that doesnt supply them with what they need.“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #8 July 5, 2007 Methane will be absorbed by the blood but it is not toxic. You're right in that it's the fact that its the lack of O2 that kills, not the methane, but post mortem levels of methane in the blood would demonstrate if inhalation before death O2 starvation and thus asphyxiation. Hence I said "suffocated". Coupled with a lack of aspirated manure this would indicate death had occurred as a result of asphyxiation before they were submerged in the 18inches of cow poop and it was inhalation of O2 displacing methane that had done for them. In any event it's far more likely to be hydrogen sulphide, rather than methane as the report suggests, that caused their initial problems. Methane is lighter than air and would more likely disburse. Hydrogen sulphide on the other hand is heavier than air and so more likely to accumulate in a manure pit. It would kill through asphyxiation in the same way as methane but its also highly toxic, binding with iron and preventing cellular respiration. In the event however, I suspect that unless the gas concentrations were really really high, they wouldn't have killed them outright and they would be more probably have simply been unconscious when they hit the deck and it was in fact aspirated cow crap that finished off the job. Point is, an autopsy would easily reveal the answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #9 July 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis is not a greenhouse effect. Tell that to the scientists in New Zealand who are formulating this solution: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2854385;search_string=New%20Zealand%20methane;#2854385 ltdiver First of all this has nothing to do with the greenhouse effect. Second there has to be a proven problem before you can have a solution,otherwise you just have a hobby. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #10 July 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is not a greenhouse effect. Tell that to the scientists in New Zealand who are formulating this solution: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2854385;search_string=New%20Zealand%20methane;#2854385 ltdiver First of all this has nothing to do with the greenhouse effect. Second there has to be a proven problem before you can have a solution,otherwise you just have a hobby. DING. Winner.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
