lisamariewillbe 1 #1 July 11, 2006 Just sold my reserve, now I have to mail it. Do I include the rings that attach it to the container? Do I just send the canopy or do I give the pc and bag as well? Sorry if this is a stupid question, Ive never taken apart a rig before.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #2 July 11, 2006 Canopy only...'rings', PC & Bag stay with you unless otherwise discussed with the buyer...you will NEED the stuff for your 'new' reserve. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #3 July 11, 2006 okay if there not "rings" what are they called for future refrence? Thanks Twardo.... whoohooo Sold my first piece of gear HAPPY DANCESudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrBrant 0 #4 July 11, 2006 send the canopy on the links. PC and free-bag stay with YOUR container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,588 #5 July 11, 2006 The rings are connector links; they are way cheap, and you definitely want to send the reserve on them, because otherwise it'll be a much more time-consuming problem for the receiving rigger to install it. The freebag and pilot chute stay with the container, as does any RSL setup that you have. To take the reserve off the risers you'll probably need a wrench, and maybe something to brace it against. It's very important that you not damage any of the lines in any way while doing so. I.e. don't touch them in any way while doing that. Once you remove them, attaching them to a card in the right order (i.e. identifying which is the front left, front right, etc) is the polite thing to do. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Miami 0 #6 July 11, 2006 The french links go with the canopy. Try to pick up a cardboard line organizer from your rigger to attach the links to...will make the persons life you're sending the canopy to a lot easier when it comes time for them (or their rigger) to attach it to another rig.Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peckerhead 0 #7 July 11, 2006 DO NOT remove the connector links from the canopy. The free bag and pilot chute stay with the container. In the last two years I have had 4 canopies sent to me with the links removed. Not only is it extremely rude it also creates a lot more work for the poor rigger who gets it. The links are part of the canopy, not part of the container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #8 July 11, 2006 The links are part of the canopy, not part of the container. *** Okay...I stand corrected as far as 'french links' ... On my container they are a different type of 'link / ring' than a french link...almost like those old 'double L' locking links...they came with the container not the reserve...in 'my' case anyway....ragged old container that it is! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #9 July 11, 2006 if it's metal "french links" "maillons rapides", leave them with the canopy. Mount your next reserve with softlinks if you can.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fcajump 164 #10 July 11, 2006 QuoteThe links are part of the canopy, not part of the container. *** Okay...I stand corrected as far as 'french links' ... On my container they are a different type of 'link / ring' than a french link...almost like those old 'double L' locking links...they came with the container not the reserve...in 'my' case anyway....ragged old container that it is! When in doubt about hardware names, you can always check it against the pics on www.paragear.com They have long been one of the (more) definitive sources for information concerning equipment on the market. That's why their catalog is often required reading for rigger's classes JimAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites councilman24 37 #11 July 11, 2006 Things to be careful of: As stated the links go with the canopy, even if you have to buy another set. As someone stated be careful not to damage the lines, but also the canopy. Not only opening the links but from sharp furniture edges, cats, kids, velcro, etc. While they are obviously sturdy treat it like china and tissue paper. The end of the threads on the links can have sharg edges. These edges can damage your reserve risers when you take the off. Don't just start yanking. Carefully fold and remove the link from the webbing. I've seen at least two harnesses damaged by links. Close the links once you get them off. That will protect the lines and canopy from the sharp edges and keep the lines on the links. Before you close them hook the locking loop or cateye of the reserve steering lines on the links. That will keep things neat. Your also going to have to take off your toggles. Some reserves have sewn loops, some have tied loops, some are tied in one of two ways, and some have the extra finger trapped and perhaps sewn in place. IF it's just a loop you can slide it down the toggle while feeding line through the gromment and off the end. Then pull the whole thing through the grommet. If they seem to be tied in sort of a figure eight going through the gromment you'll need to take out the knot and unthread the line from the grommet. IF they are tied and then finger trapped you'll have to take out the stitching. BE VERY CAREFUL that you don't damage the line. The toggles stay with the harness. Try not to let the links get tangled up by going through the lines, etc. If you don't have a card to put them on stack them on top of each other and put a rubber band around them. Daisy chain the lines loosely. If you have a plastic bag stronger than a trash bag the whole thing in it. If not use a couple of trash bags. Find a strong cardboard box with all it's flaps. It can be a lot smaller than the fluffed up canopy. Compress it in to the box and tape shut. I tape every seam for strength and some measure of protection. I would make a copy of the packing data card and send the original with the canopy. Other opinions may vary. And your card may have ripcord pin check notes, harness repairs, etc. on it. But it's probably more important to the canopy than the harness. This is a judgement that riggers differ somewhat on. Sound like a lot to think about. It really is. Nothing's hard but be careful and know what can damage the canopy.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #12 July 11, 2006 ummmmm thanks for all this info people.... I am now scared to take the reserve off.... know a rigger in Austin? Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #13 July 11, 2006 thanks all for your replies, I just learned I do NOT want to be a rigger, this is intimadating at best right now as I am scared to hurt it ... Her hubby is a rigger and is going to call to walk me through the process. I used to think I had decent knowledge of my gear but I was wrong so Ive been reading up on reserves and how they are different than mains and such so cool to find education in all aspects of this sportSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #14 July 11, 2006 Quoteso Ive been reading up on reserves and how they are different then mains and such so cool to find education in all aspects of this sport This is something that you can you do enough of.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #15 July 11, 2006 Its really interesting, I knew they were different I just didnt know to much about why. I knew they opened quicker and I knew why, but I didnt know that if its used as a main then it cant be a reserve (in most cases, I assume you can test jump it as a main at least once or so) or that the material unlike in mains wont fuse together if left in the rig over time okay thats a long sentence.... I could go on and on cause I read alot... but ya get the picture and you know all this stuff already Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #16 July 12, 2006 Quotebut ya get the picture and you know all this stuff already No one "knows all this stuff already". Some know a lot of it and some don't know any of it, but no one knows it all. The best you can hope for is to stay around long enough and keep learning.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #17 July 12, 2006 Quotestay around long enough and keep learning True, Thats the plan.... I did learn that I picked the best buyers, after being a complete failure with the wrench they are letting me send it all to them and hes going to detach it and send the rig back or wait till I go to Dallas to jump with them. I wish I had a ton of gear to sell, its been fun.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #18 July 12, 2006 QuoteQuotestay around long enough and keep learning True, Thats the plan.... 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wmw999 2,588 #5 July 11, 2006 The rings are connector links; they are way cheap, and you definitely want to send the reserve on them, because otherwise it'll be a much more time-consuming problem for the receiving rigger to install it. The freebag and pilot chute stay with the container, as does any RSL setup that you have. To take the reserve off the risers you'll probably need a wrench, and maybe something to brace it against. It's very important that you not damage any of the lines in any way while doing so. I.e. don't touch them in any way while doing that. Once you remove them, attaching them to a card in the right order (i.e. identifying which is the front left, front right, etc) is the polite thing to do. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miami 0 #6 July 11, 2006 The french links go with the canopy. Try to pick up a cardboard line organizer from your rigger to attach the links to...will make the persons life you're sending the canopy to a lot easier when it comes time for them (or their rigger) to attach it to another rig.Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peckerhead 0 #7 July 11, 2006 DO NOT remove the connector links from the canopy. The free bag and pilot chute stay with the container. In the last two years I have had 4 canopies sent to me with the links removed. Not only is it extremely rude it also creates a lot more work for the poor rigger who gets it. The links are part of the canopy, not part of the container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #8 July 11, 2006 The links are part of the canopy, not part of the container. *** Okay...I stand corrected as far as 'french links' ... On my container they are a different type of 'link / ring' than a french link...almost like those old 'double L' locking links...they came with the container not the reserve...in 'my' case anyway....ragged old container that it is! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #9 July 11, 2006 if it's metal "french links" "maillons rapides", leave them with the canopy. Mount your next reserve with softlinks if you can.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #10 July 11, 2006 QuoteThe links are part of the canopy, not part of the container. *** Okay...I stand corrected as far as 'french links' ... On my container they are a different type of 'link / ring' than a french link...almost like those old 'double L' locking links...they came with the container not the reserve...in 'my' case anyway....ragged old container that it is! When in doubt about hardware names, you can always check it against the pics on www.paragear.com They have long been one of the (more) definitive sources for information concerning equipment on the market. That's why their catalog is often required reading for rigger's classes JimAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #11 July 11, 2006 Things to be careful of: As stated the links go with the canopy, even if you have to buy another set. As someone stated be careful not to damage the lines, but also the canopy. Not only opening the links but from sharp furniture edges, cats, kids, velcro, etc. While they are obviously sturdy treat it like china and tissue paper. The end of the threads on the links can have sharg edges. These edges can damage your reserve risers when you take the off. Don't just start yanking. Carefully fold and remove the link from the webbing. I've seen at least two harnesses damaged by links. Close the links once you get them off. That will protect the lines and canopy from the sharp edges and keep the lines on the links. Before you close them hook the locking loop or cateye of the reserve steering lines on the links. That will keep things neat. Your also going to have to take off your toggles. Some reserves have sewn loops, some have tied loops, some are tied in one of two ways, and some have the extra finger trapped and perhaps sewn in place. IF it's just a loop you can slide it down the toggle while feeding line through the gromment and off the end. Then pull the whole thing through the grommet. If they seem to be tied in sort of a figure eight going through the gromment you'll need to take out the knot and unthread the line from the grommet. IF they are tied and then finger trapped you'll have to take out the stitching. BE VERY CAREFUL that you don't damage the line. The toggles stay with the harness. Try not to let the links get tangled up by going through the lines, etc. If you don't have a card to put them on stack them on top of each other and put a rubber band around them. Daisy chain the lines loosely. If you have a plastic bag stronger than a trash bag the whole thing in it. If not use a couple of trash bags. Find a strong cardboard box with all it's flaps. It can be a lot smaller than the fluffed up canopy. Compress it in to the box and tape shut. I tape every seam for strength and some measure of protection. I would make a copy of the packing data card and send the original with the canopy. Other opinions may vary. And your card may have ripcord pin check notes, harness repairs, etc. on it. But it's probably more important to the canopy than the harness. This is a judgement that riggers differ somewhat on. Sound like a lot to think about. It really is. Nothing's hard but be careful and know what can damage the canopy.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #12 July 11, 2006 ummmmm thanks for all this info people.... I am now scared to take the reserve off.... know a rigger in Austin? Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #13 July 11, 2006 thanks all for your replies, I just learned I do NOT want to be a rigger, this is intimadating at best right now as I am scared to hurt it ... Her hubby is a rigger and is going to call to walk me through the process. I used to think I had decent knowledge of my gear but I was wrong so Ive been reading up on reserves and how they are different than mains and such so cool to find education in all aspects of this sportSudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #14 July 11, 2006 Quoteso Ive been reading up on reserves and how they are different then mains and such so cool to find education in all aspects of this sport This is something that you can you do enough of.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #15 July 11, 2006 Its really interesting, I knew they were different I just didnt know to much about why. I knew they opened quicker and I knew why, but I didnt know that if its used as a main then it cant be a reserve (in most cases, I assume you can test jump it as a main at least once or so) or that the material unlike in mains wont fuse together if left in the rig over time okay thats a long sentence.... I could go on and on cause I read alot... but ya get the picture and you know all this stuff already Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #16 July 12, 2006 Quotebut ya get the picture and you know all this stuff already No one "knows all this stuff already". Some know a lot of it and some don't know any of it, but no one knows it all. The best you can hope for is to stay around long enough and keep learning.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #17 July 12, 2006 Quotestay around long enough and keep learning True, Thats the plan.... I did learn that I picked the best buyers, after being a complete failure with the wrench they are letting me send it all to them and hes going to detach it and send the rig back or wait till I go to Dallas to jump with them. I wish I had a ton of gear to sell, its been fun.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #18 July 12, 2006 QuoteQuotestay around long enough and keep learning True, Thats the plan.... I did learn that I picked the best buyers, after being a complete failure with the wrench they are letting me send it all to them and hes going to detach it and send the rig back or wait till I go to Dallas to jump with them. I wish I had a ton of gear to sell, its been fun. Take that rigger husband of your and slap him around and make him do it. My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
