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Michel Fournier to Try Again, Aug 2006

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It's taken him a couple of years to get his finances straightened out following an alleged swindle, but Michel Fournier appears to be ready to give his record-breaking skydive another go next month.

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SCAM
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Every time anyone mentions Fournier you respond that it's a scam, but you never explain. "Ask the older French skdyving community," you say. "Read all 173 posts about him." Maybe next it'll be "Drive to Saskatoon and investigate it yourself."

I'm still waiting for someone to explain the "scam". Is there actually an explanation or is there something else going on?


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It's taken him a couple of years to get his finances straightened out following an alleged swindle, but Michel Fournier appears to be ready to give his record-breaking skydive another go next month.

Le Grand Saut

mh


Silly me! I read Fournier and I though Le Grand Meaulnes...
Carry on!:)
Please do. I mean it.:|

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IMO Scott Lutz taking Shayna Richardson on a tandem is more credible.

I still hope he proves me wrong. Sincerely.



Still no explanation.... hmm....

Calling another skydiver's project a "SCAM" is an extreme word and a horrible accusation.

If you have some reason to support it, great. Otherwise you REALLY ought to stop it.


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piisfish    140

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I posted a message on his blog, which wasn't harsh, insulting or anything.

I wrote I didn't believe the jump wil ltake place, but that I sincerely hoped that he proved me (and many others) wrong.

The message was deleted (with mention : message deleted by the author)

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Still no explanation.... hmm....

Calling another skydiver's project a "SCAM" is an extreme word and a horrible accusation.

If you have some reason to support it, great. Otherwise you REALLY ought to stop it.

Mr Fournier already has a history in lying, deforming and amplifying his carreer :
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ParaMag numéro 125 d'octobre 1997, lettre ouverte à Mr. Fournier
Le 21 mars 1997, lors d'une conférence de presse au sujet de votre future tentative de saut en altitude, vous avez prétendu détenir le record de France avec un saut à 12 000 mètres réalisé en 1992. C'est un pur mensonge. En octobre 1992, à Soulac, je suis monté dans le Turbo Mingo à 37 000 pieds, soit 2 000 pieds plus haut qu'il n'avait jamais volé, et cela avec les mêmes pilotes (Philippe Tarade et Nicolas Girardin) et les mêmes instruments utilisés par vous. Chose étrange, le calcul de compensation thermique donne 38 000 pieds ou 11 700 mètres, mais pas plus de 12 000 mètres. Alors je téléphone au radar de Mont de Marsan : "Pouvez-vous nous mesurer l'altitude de mon prochain saut, comme ils le font à Nimes ?" Réponse : "Non, nos radars ne peuvent pas faire ça. Ceux de Nimes non plus d'ailleurs !" Donc quelqu'un a menti et se vente toujours d'avoir battu le record de Colette Duval (11 200 m le 24 mai 1956, à Rio, Brésil). Mr Fournier, vous ne l'avez pas battu, et moi non plus, pas à cette époque là. J'ai battu le record d'un autre parachutiste, Gil Delamare (9 600 m le 2 août 1962, à Fayence) car je n'avais pas d'oxygène. En 1994, dans les mêmes conditions, j'ai sauté à 12 700 mètres. Et là je suis sûr d'avoir été le Français le plus haut et d'avoir fait le plus haut saut sans oxygène. Respectez ce sport : tout le monde sait dans le parachutisme que vous n'avez pas 8 000 sauts et que vous n'avez été champion de rien du tout. D'autres vivent dans le ciel pour réaliser des rèves, et leurs noms, une fois dans l'histoire, doivent être respectés. Si vous voulez vous faire un nom dans notre sport, faites-le avec classe et pas par des mensonges. Bonne chance.
Patrick de Gayardon


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ParaMag number 125 of October 1997, letter open to Mr. Fournier on March 21, 1997, at the time of a press conference about your future attempt at jump in altitude, you claimed to hold the record of France with a jump with 12 000 meters carried out in 1992. It is a pure lie. In October 1992, in Soulac, I am assembled in Turbo Mingo with 37 000 feet, that is to say 2 000 feet higher than it had never flown, and that with the same pilots (Philippe Tarade and Nicolas Girardin) and the same instruments used by you. Strange thing, the thermal calculation of compensation gives 38 000 feet or 11 700 meters, but not more than 12 000 meters. Then I telephone with the radar of Mount of Marsan: "can you measure us the altitude of my next jump, as they do it in Nimes?" Answer: "Not, our radars cannot do that. Those of Nimes either besides!" Thus somebody lied and sale always to have fought the record of Colette Duval (11 200 m on May 24, 1956, in Rio, Brésil). Mr. Fournier, you did not beat it, and me either, not at that time there. I beat the record of another parachutist, Gil Delamare (9 600 m on August 2, 1962, in Fayence) because I did not have oxygen. In 1994, under the same conditions, I jumped to 12 700 meters. And there I am sure to have been the French highest and to have made the most jump without oxygen. Respect this sport: everyone knows in parachuting that you do not have 8 000 jumps and that you were champion of nothing the whole. Others live in the sky to carry out dreams, and their names, once in the history, must be respected. If you want to have a name in our sport, do it with class and not by lies. Good luck. Patrick de Gayardon
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I have only one question:

WTF?!
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Fournier is not trustworthy. His project is great, he has lots of ability to take money from sponsors. He is better at it than any Nigerian presidential family trying to give you a percentage of the million£ they will put on your bank account.
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He is better at it than any Nigerian presidential family trying to give you a percentage of the million£ they will put on your bank account.


Don't make fun. I've helped many Nigerian widows in need, and am the living proof that they are honest people. Last I checked, there were several millions sitting on my bank account, waiting for me to decide what to do with them.:|

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Fournier is not trustworthy. His project is great, he has lots of ability to take money from sponsors. He is better at it than any Nigerian presidential family trying to give you a percentage of the million£ they will put on your bank account.



What's wrong with getting money from sponsors?

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what's wrong with giving your bank account numbers to a Nigerian friend ?



You still haven't answered my question.

Can you please drop the Nigerian nonsense and explain your position on M. Fournier so that we've got an idea about what you are trying to say?

I don't think that Jean-François Clervoy would associate himself with Fournier and his project if it was bogus, but you seem to be saying that Le Grand Saut is nothing but a scam.

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OH WELL.. get over it, wait 4 weeks...
I hope he makes it and prove me wrong.
Even a 10kft jump from his balloon will prove me wrong.



Prove you wrong about WHAT? You still haven't answered my question. Why are you being so very evasive?

Fournier can't do anything about the weather. Launching a high-altitude balloon requires absolute, sustained dead calm. If it isn't there, he can't launch. End of story.

Many (unmanned) high-altitude balloon flights fail after a successful launch because of the fragility of the balloon material.

Fournier's two unsuccessful launch attempts (one because of a blown sleeve on a high-pressure helium line [I was there in Saskatoon on Sunday, 15 September 2002 when that happened], the other because the balloon itself tore during inflation) are not unusual.
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Launching a high-altitude balloon requires absolute, sustained dead calm. If it isn't there, he can't launch. End of story.
Many (unmanned) high-altitude balloon flights fail after a successful launch because of the fragility of the balloon material.

how many balloon launches per year aresuccessful ?
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That's a legitimate question. I'll ask Dale Sommerfeldt about it when I call him later this week about Fournier.

Offhand, I'd estimate that only one in four or five launch attempts is successful (with the unmanned scientific platforms), but it could be a lower ratio, like one in three.

The universities that run the high-altitude research flights can afford to wait weeks or months for the right weather; Fournier has no such luxury.

There are only two launch windows in Saskatoon for high-altitude balloons, btw. One is two weeks in May, the other is two weeks in September.

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