ACMESkydiver 0 #1 August 21, 2007 As of this month. Just wondering...I've heard people saying that if you still drink alcohol at all, being 'clean' doesn't really count for anything as you still use a substance. I don't think having a drink twice a month is bad...but where do you stop with this? What about caffeine and nicotine? Can anyone then truly call themselves 'clean and sober' -ever? Edit for clarification: no drugs X 15 years.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #2 August 21, 2007 who would want to? The only people who use those words are people with a problem. 'clean and sober'. Im clean and sober, though i like going out and having a smoke and a drink up every now and then. Does that mean i am not 'clean and sober'? .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #3 August 21, 2007 QuoteThe only people who use those words are people with a problem. I guess that's what I'm referring to. People that overcame a problem...~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigway 4 #4 August 21, 2007 oh ok. Well congrats for being off it for 15 years. You should celebrate by going out and getting sloshed! .Karnage Krew Gear Store . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #5 August 21, 2007 Quote Can anyone then truly call themselves 'clean and sober' -ever? Depends on the particular substance they had problems with. I've been sober almost 12 years. I don't drink alcohol or use any recreational drugs. I DO drink coffee I consider myself clean and sober. Free of mind altering drugs. If you are not sober, what does being "clean" mean to you? Did you formerly have a problem with hygiene? __ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #6 August 21, 2007 Quote I don't think having a drink twice a month is bad.. Its not, as long as you can actually limit yourself in that way without problems. I couldn't do that. If I had one drink I'd just keep right on going. If you have no trouble having one drink and stopping and it aint fucking up your life (or anyone elses) then more power to ya. __ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #7 August 21, 2007 Being truly rid of a problem IMO is being in control of it. I would rather see someone who has had, say a drinking problem, who is now in control and can go out and have a drink or two. I think it is possible to do that but everyone is taught to beat the addiction and stay away from whatever the problem is. That is fine too if it works. I don't care to get into a SC debate over this. It's just my opinion. As for you, Congrads!! If you have beat an addiction and are a functioning person your one up on some of the people that would condem you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImGunnaJump 0 #8 August 21, 2007 Congratulations on 15 years!!! I've never met anyone who could be "sober" but not clean - you're the first! (I was gunna say I owed you beer but, um, er, not sure that's a good idea...) Unfortunately, there are several alcoholics in my immediate family Those in my family who abused alcohol could not stop at one or two drinks...they had to drink until digustingly drunk. So for them, they had to be clean to be sober...there is no concept for them of being "sober" but not clean (having a drink now and then). For them, it had to be all or nothing. As far as caffiene, have it all the time. I don't worry about that...I'm not going to loose my job because I can't show up for work because I'm hung over from caffiene (in fact I might loose my job if I don't have that cup of coffee in the morning to get me going!!) Fortunately, never started smoking so that's not an issue in my life. Edited to add: It doesn't sound like you have a problem J. - don't worry about it or what other people say, you know you're O.K.!! "...I've learned that while the "needs" in life are important (food, water, shelter), it's the "wants" in life (ice cream, chocolate, sex) that make it worth the effort." Kbordson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropdeded 0 #9 August 21, 2007 I say if the shit dont control your life, call it whatever you want too ------------------------------------------ The Dude Abides. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #10 August 21, 2007 Wouldn't that be "sober, not clean"? Maybe I don't get what's going on here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #11 August 21, 2007 To me the term 'clean and sober' means you're free from addiction of any mind-altering substances. I don't put caffeine or nicotine in that category as they are not mind-altering. Sure, caffeine may wake you up and make you hyper, but it's not a substance that is going to kill you or destroy your life. Now, nicotine definitely can kill you but it is not a mind-altering substance. Sooooooooooo, you my dear are clean and sober and hot. Congratulations on your accomplishment...especially the hot part. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plowdirt 0 #12 August 21, 2007 Ahh sobriety.. Well call it what you will do with it what you will,, but don't mistake your inner deamon telling you it's ok.. I for one can't handle it.. If I drink one I'll drink 15 or 20. fkn proved it to myself to many times.. My problem.. So, 11 months sober I don't drink at all cuz if I have 1 it's to much and 1000 is not enough. And for those of you who are the jovial charactures that you are.. we have to take this seriously,, cuz if we don't, we will go inn.. Sobriety is our silver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #13 August 21, 2007 QuoteQuoteBeing truly rid of a problem IMO is being in control of it. I would rather see someone who has had, say a drinking problem, who is now in control and can go out and have a drink or two. I think it is possible to do that but everyone is taught to beat the addiction and stay away from whatever the problem is. I am curious about that. There has been some acknowledgements/evidence as of late (I do not remember the source) that contrary to poular beleif, some alcoholics can go back to casual drinking and do not have to stay away completely. Is this true or were these ones not real alcoholics (for that matter where is the dividing line between drinking problem and full blown alcoholism)? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jewels 0 #14 August 21, 2007 I, for one, have no idea what the answer is to your question. However, having had a couple of family members struggle with alcohol, I have to say that it doesn't seem like it would be worth it to experiment to find out whether they are one of the ones who could handle casual drinking. What if they're not? That's potentially a lot of lost ground. I think the price is too great and (brace yourselves--I know this is tantamount to blasphemy) alcohol just isn't worth taking the chance. Edited to add: I'm NOT blasting anyone who has addressed their drinking and has concluded that they're comfortable and in control with casual drinking. I'm just saying that for those people who have identified WHATEVER substance as a real issue, I've seen enough to conclude that there is too much on the line to toy with going back to it again just to see if they can handle it.TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #15 August 21, 2007 First, congrats.Last, quit worrying what some people say. All that matters is what I think. And I like you, but that's neither here nor there. IMO, if it doesn't affect you getting up each day and being a productive member of society, then who cares.At a drink twice a month, you're as clean as they come, hunny. Most people compensate when they quit things altogether in some way that can be equally, if not more damaging. But perhaps more "socially acceptable". You know, like over-eating when one quits smoking. But, now I'm rambling. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skinnyshrek 0 #16 August 21, 2007 Fuck bothering what people think. Hey, seems like your a step above them anyways. So you have a drink big deal. Now if you get legless each night well. If they have a problem then fuck em find some new friend the bitch fuckers.http://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #17 August 21, 2007 BTW, I'm addicted to Chapstick. Seriously. Chapstick is an addictive substance. The more you use it, the more you need it. There is always a chapstick in my pocket. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jewels 0 #18 August 21, 2007 Coca-Cola for me. No Coke = BAD DAY!TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ifall 0 #19 August 21, 2007 Quote BTW, I'm addicted to Chapstick. Seriously. Chapstick is an addictive substance. The more you use it, the more you need it. There is always a chapstick in my pocket. I know that! Mine's Carmex. Got it in both my vehicles and NEVER forget to have it in the pocket of the pants/shorts I'm wearing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #20 August 21, 2007 Is there always a Coke in your pocket? Speak to me when there is sista. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jewels 0 #21 August 21, 2007 Pocket, no. But it pretty much goes everywhere with me, just like some people haul along a water bottle. Desk top, car, wherever. Coffee substitute, for sure. It's just that water is so . . . non-sugary and caffeine free! TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #22 August 21, 2007 What in the hell is Carmex? _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #23 August 21, 2007 How ya teeth looking? _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jewels 0 #24 August 21, 2007 (Watching for new thread about the "Carmex is even better" addiction. I like Blistex, personally, but the Carmex thing is big.)TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jewels 0 #25 August 21, 2007 Quote How ya teeth looking? Crest Vivid White toothpaste and regular checkups are your friends! Yeah, I don't need to walk around looking like I brush with shoe polish.TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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Jewels 0 #14 August 21, 2007 I, for one, have no idea what the answer is to your question. However, having had a couple of family members struggle with alcohol, I have to say that it doesn't seem like it would be worth it to experiment to find out whether they are one of the ones who could handle casual drinking. What if they're not? That's potentially a lot of lost ground. I think the price is too great and (brace yourselves--I know this is tantamount to blasphemy) alcohol just isn't worth taking the chance. Edited to add: I'm NOT blasting anyone who has addressed their drinking and has concluded that they're comfortable and in control with casual drinking. I'm just saying that for those people who have identified WHATEVER substance as a real issue, I've seen enough to conclude that there is too much on the line to toy with going back to it again just to see if they can handle it.TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #15 August 21, 2007 First, congrats.Last, quit worrying what some people say. All that matters is what I think. And I like you, but that's neither here nor there. IMO, if it doesn't affect you getting up each day and being a productive member of society, then who cares.At a drink twice a month, you're as clean as they come, hunny. Most people compensate when they quit things altogether in some way that can be equally, if not more damaging. But perhaps more "socially acceptable". You know, like over-eating when one quits smoking. But, now I'm rambling. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #16 August 21, 2007 Fuck bothering what people think. Hey, seems like your a step above them anyways. So you have a drink big deal. Now if you get legless each night well. If they have a problem then fuck em find some new friend the bitch fuckers.http://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #17 August 21, 2007 BTW, I'm addicted to Chapstick. Seriously. Chapstick is an addictive substance. The more you use it, the more you need it. There is always a chapstick in my pocket. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #18 August 21, 2007 Coca-Cola for me. No Coke = BAD DAY!TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ifall 0 #19 August 21, 2007 Quote BTW, I'm addicted to Chapstick. Seriously. Chapstick is an addictive substance. The more you use it, the more you need it. There is always a chapstick in my pocket. I know that! Mine's Carmex. Got it in both my vehicles and NEVER forget to have it in the pocket of the pants/shorts I'm wearing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #20 August 21, 2007 Is there always a Coke in your pocket? Speak to me when there is sista. _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #21 August 21, 2007 Pocket, no. But it pretty much goes everywhere with me, just like some people haul along a water bottle. Desk top, car, wherever. Coffee substitute, for sure. It's just that water is so . . . non-sugary and caffeine free! TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #22 August 21, 2007 What in the hell is Carmex? _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #23 August 21, 2007 How ya teeth looking? _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #24 August 21, 2007 (Watching for new thread about the "Carmex is even better" addiction. I like Blistex, personally, but the Carmex thing is big.)TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jewels 0 #25 August 21, 2007 Quote How ya teeth looking? Crest Vivid White toothpaste and regular checkups are your friends! Yeah, I don't need to walk around looking like I brush with shoe polish.TPM Sister #102 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
