ripcord4 0 #1 June 29, 2006 Will a Para Commander sleeve work with a Crossbow main canopy? Are there any Crossbow sleeves out there? On the PC there is a cotton covering on the center-lines. Is this simply a chaffing strip to prevent wear on the center-lines or does it serve some other purpose? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #2 June 29, 2006 QuoteWill a Para Commander sleeve work with a Crossbow main canopy?*** I would think it would, but don't know for sure, ya could always try it and find out. Are there any Crossbow sleeves out there? Haven't seen any yet, but some old timer has to have one in the attic. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,452 #3 June 29, 2006 Hi Ripcord4, I would think that the X-BO would work OK with a PC sleeve. I put a X-BO sleeve on my PC and all was well. I do believe that the cotton was just for chafing. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #4 June 29, 2006 Only hitch might be sleeve length versus canopy length, especially if it's a jumbo PC. Don't think I ever saw a Crossbow in real life, even though I have a crossbow rig.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarpos 4 #5 June 29, 2006 I think your right , one of my friends used to jump a crossbow and the sleeve was much shorter than a PC sleeve. A couple of feet at least from memory. You could probably make it work with an s fold or two depending how anal you are with packing.regards, Steve the older I get...the better I was Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #6 June 29, 2006 I have a PC short sleeve with my PC so I don't know if it will work. I don't know how similar the PC and X-Bow are up top with crown lines. About a year ago, there was a posting in a forum (this one, I think) from a gentleman who said he had patterns for most size/style of sleeves. If anyone knows who he is, or he reads this, please PM me. I am most interested in a Crossbow sleeve. If anyone has one to part with, PM me, please. Thanks everyone! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 June 29, 2006 QuoteOn the PC there is a cotton covering on the center-lines. Is this simply a chaffing strip to prevent wear on the center-lines or does it serve some other purpose? That is to prevent nylon-to-nylon friction on the canopy surface area during opening - it prevents line burns. But I jumped my Paracommander quite a lot with that covering worn off, and it didn't seem to hurt anything. But I packed very carefully to make sure the center lines were clear and all fabric flaked to the outside. I don't really think it's that big a deal, but that's my understanding of that covering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrochute 2 #8 June 29, 2006 just remember that ANY sleeve should be reinforced its full length. the ones that the chute shop(north american aerodynamics) built were only reinforced for the first 5 feet or so. i have seen several where the fabric became weak enough that the sleeve ripped all the way around during deplyment .makes for a nice streamer since the bottom of the sleeve cant getr off the canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,452 #9 June 29, 2006 Hi yarpos, When discussing PC sleeves vs X-BO sleeves it is important (IMO) to remember just which type of sleeve(s) are being discussed. The original PC sleeve was much longer than a X-BO sleeve because the PC sleeve did not stow the crown lines, they were left fully extended inside the sleeve. All X-BO sleeves had the crown lines stowed just above the canopy. This results in a much shorter sleeve. Quite some time later, the 'short' PC sleeve came out. But by then most folks had just switched to a X-BO sleeve; and once again, Pioneer was way behind on their marketing. Pioneer (IMO) never really tried to understand the skydiving/skydiver market. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poppenhager 1 #10 June 30, 2006 They will both work packed in a D-bag just fine.Stuffed,stacked,or rolled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sprtdth 0 #11 June 30, 2006 QuoteThey will both work packed in a D-bag just fine.Stuffed,stacked,or rolled. Which IMO is a better choiceCRW Skies Frank CRW Diva #58 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,452 #12 June 30, 2006 Hi Pop, I remember someone wrote a letter to Cameron/SKYDIVER wondering about packing a PC in a bag. He answered that if you live in Florida, you'll pack it in a bag. If you live anywhere else, you'll pack it in a sleeve. Ya gotta love it, Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #13 June 30, 2006 QuoteHe answered that if you live in Florida, you'll pack it in a bag. If you live anywhere else, you'll pack it in a sleeve. Sounds reasonable to me. My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #14 June 30, 2006 Well guys, I don't have a bag or a POD, so a sleeve it will be. Any extra short sleeves out there for a PC/X-Bow? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #15 June 30, 2006 You could build a pod real easy, I would lone you one of mine to use as a pattern. I have a sleeve I'm not using right now, but I don't want to sell it or give it way, it came with my first rig that I still have. I would lone it to you as well for a pattern and or a few jumps, but you have to send it back. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nitrochute 2 #16 June 30, 2006 i remember when the U.S. Parachute Team was in training in 66 at snyders dz, Martine Durbin was jumping one of Pop's bags.for some reason she constantly had line twists (a lot of them)which took so much time to come out that it was affecting her ability to set up her run for the target.Gene Thacker was team leader/captain/trainer (whatever). one day he had enough and tore the bag off her p.c. ,poured gas on it and burned it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,452 #17 June 30, 2006 Hi nitrochute, A little trivia about the '66 US Team. Because the '64 World Meet was held in West Germany, the '66 World Meet was held in East Germany. The USA did not recognize East Germany as a seperate country. Therefore, the '66 US Team boycotted the World Meet that year and only jumped somewhere else in Europe; at the Adriatic Cup I think. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poppenhager 1 #18 June 30, 2006 My perferred method is stuffing the canopy as the Army does the T-10.I was using d-bags for free fall before sleeves came to the U.S.and when they did I went to the sleeve.They were free sleeves then (not tied to the canopy)and I got tiered of chasing and losing sleeves so went back to bags.Guess what we are using today!!! Most of todays jumpers have never seen a sleeve. POP D47 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poppenhager 1 #19 June 30, 2006 HI,Jerry Yes, I remember Lyles answer well.What happened to all the cotton,bulky,and heavy sleeves anyway ?? POP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #20 June 30, 2006 QuoteMy perferred method is stuffing the canopy as the Army does the T-10. Billy Webber gave us his dad's SST racer with a MK-1 main in a D-bag, packed just like that. I'm ready to put the rig back together after a going over/wash/repair ect, but before I do that I'm going to make a couple extras for some other rigs we have, sure beats using the POD I have now in my wonderhog turned sideways, and smaller too. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
