DFWAJG 4 #26 August 28, 2007 from webMD: Do not use hydrogen peroxide, iodine, or antiseptics ... because these substances can damage healing tissues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #27 August 28, 2007 Quote from webMD: Do not use hydrogen peroxide, iodine, or antiseptics ... because these substances can damage healing tissues which is pretty much advice for people who need toothpick and q-tip instructions.. it DOES help clean dirty wounds prior to bandaging them.. it is NOT useful once the wound is sterile...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #28 August 28, 2007 Quotefrom webMD: Do not use hydrogen peroxide, iodine, or antiseptics ... because these substances can damage healing tissues Most treatments are about the balance of good vs harm. In my example, my concern over the immediate irrigation of a nasty wound from dirty, rusty metal to avoid infection or tetanus, would far outweigh a possibility of slightly delaying wound healing by bitch slapping a few regenerating cells. If I have hydrogen peroxide handy ...I'm using it. Roughly a 4% povidoneiodine (betadine)/saline solution is pretty much the standard for wound irrigation in the ER. I would treat my wound with hydrogen peroxide (for gram positive bacteria and tetanus), then the saline/betadine (for gram negative bacteria), followed by irrigation with sterile saline (0.9%) solution. That's why I include then in my first aide kit. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/510898_4 Wound irrigation with dilute betadine before wound closure, as we describe, may be a simple and practical method of infection prevention. The main effect of betadine solution is to eradicate bacterial seeding from the surgical wound and to achieve intraoperative disinfection. Topical irrigation with dilute betadine solution in our study was safe, fast, simple, and inexpensive, and reduced the incidence of infection after spinal surgery.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karenmeal 0 #29 August 28, 2007 annouNcement "Life is a temporary victory over the causes which induce death." - Sylvester Graham Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
askir 0 #30 August 28, 2007 They have discovered that lab mice are natural cancer carrying creatures thus rendering all lab studies involving mice useless...everything causes cancer!!! LIFE IS LIKE A CIGARETTE, YOU CAN SIT THERE AND WATCH IT BURN AWAY OR YOU CAN SMOKE THAT BITCH TO THE FILTER Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #31 August 28, 2007 QuoteI am the queen of animal bites. Oh, and rusty nails. wanna be the queen of sunshine bites? ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #32 August 28, 2007 honestly I don't think I've ever cleaned a wound on myself with Hydrogen Peroxide... just rinsed it with clean water... put on some neosporin (antiseptic) and/or applied a sterilized dressing... then make my way to the hospital... though one time when I was younger I inadvertantely sliced open my thumb with a pocket knife and after wandering around bleeding all over the place looking for a dressing I asked my dad who quickly grabbed a towel and rushed me to the ER... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildfan75 1 #33 August 28, 2007 Quote -So what is hydrogen peroxide for then, I mean besides getting blood out of stuff? Making dogs puke. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #34 August 29, 2007 I just prefer to keep my tetnus shots up to date that way I don't have to worry about that. The only thing I bring in my kit when I go camping are 4 triangular bandages a couple of 4x4s and some one inch tape. With that I cna take care of anything. If I need to irrigate somethign there is always my drinking water not the best stuff but better than nothing. As for cleaning wounds, what are you specifically concerned about? A couple of rocks in your road rash aren't going to give you MRSA or VRE. Of course you may want to get a pair of tweezers or an eye loop to get that crap out of your wound. Your body will heal around it if you don't do anything, and then it will eventiually get regected. Now that becomes painful just before it pokes through the surface of your skin Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #35 August 29, 2007 Quote I just prefer to keep my tetnus shots up to date that way I don't have to worry about that. The only thing I bring in my kit when I go camping are 4 triangular bandages a couple of 4x4s and some one inch tape. With that I cna take care of anything. If I need to irrigate somethign there is always my drinking water not the best stuff but better than nothing. As for cleaning wounds, what are you specifically concerned about? A couple of rocks in your road rash aren't going to give you MRSA or VRE. Of course you may want to get a pair of tweezers or an eye loop to get that crap out of your wound. Your body will heal around it if you don't do anything, and then it will eventiually get regected. Now that becomes painful just before it pokes through the surface of your skin Clostridium tetani is but one of the bugs killed by hydrogen peroxide. MRSA and VRE I would only be concerned about if I were in a hospital as they are essentially nosocomial (acquired in the hospital) infections. Where I grew up and live (South Florida), coral rock is everywhere and teeming with bacteria. If you fall here and cut yourself on rock, it's more than likely coral rock. When I go scuba diving, I carry my first aide kit with me. Cut yourself on coral and I will have hydrogen peroxide, betadine and sterile saline for initial irrigation. When living in a tropical area, one would be well advised to treat any wound as a serious threat for infection. Back to your original statement that hydrogen peroxide does more harm than good. As I said, it does much good and might do some harm in slightly delaying wound healing by damaging regenerating cells. Eliminating hydrogen peroxide in the initial treatment of a dirty wound when medical care is not immediately available is simply not good advice. On balance, it is a good choice for initial irrigation in the field. After that, then no, I wouldn't use it. The damage to regenerating cells using hydrogen peroxide is a significant factor in the debridement of a wound and probably is the source of your error in listing it as an absolute contraindication.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #36 August 29, 2007 debridement - When I had my motorcycle accident, they made me stuff my arms into a solution of 107F water and 10CC of clorox. But the tech said that in some cases they use H202.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #37 August 29, 2007 Quote debridement - When I had my motorcycle accident, they made me stuff my arms into a solution of 107F water and 10CC of clorox. But the tech said that in some cases they use H202. In the initial cleaning of the wound, you bet. The term debridement, however, more commonly refers to removing dead tissue from a healing wound. http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/transform.jsp?requestURI=/healthatoz/Atoz/ency/debridement.jsp Debridement speeds the healing of pressure ulcers, burns, and other wounds. Wounds that contain non-living (necrotic) tissue take longer to heal. The necrotic tissue may become colonized with bacteria, producing an unpleasant odor. Though the wound is not necessarily infected, the bacteria can cause inflammation and strain the body's ability to fight infection. Necrotic tissue may also hide pockets of pus called abscesses. Abscesses can develop into a general infection that may lead to amputation or death.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #38 August 29, 2007 Quote In the initial cleaning of the wound, you bet. This went on twice a day for a month.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #39 August 29, 2007 QuoteQuote In the initial cleaning of the wound, you bet. This went on twice a day for a month. Hmmm, when was this? H2O2 is seldom used for the previously mentioned damage to regenerating tissue plus the possibility of oxygen embolism reported about 4-5 years ago.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #40 August 29, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote In the initial cleaning of the wound, you bet. This went on twice a day for a month. Hmmm, when was this? H2O2 is seldom used for the previously mentioned damage to regenerating tissue plus the possibility of oxygen embolism reported about 4-5 years ago. 1991I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
