for all you pitbull haters

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Down boy

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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well, if people werent stupid enough to talk about things they havent properly researched..

your oh-so-cute golden retrievers and labradors for example: check any statistics, they bite the most! followed by the german shepherd-dogs.. actually pitbulls are pretty much in the far end of that range..

my parents always had "sausage dogs". one of them was a vicious little creature. he'd go after about every man. loved women tough.. and no, he didnt went to hump their legs..

i have a rottweiler-doberman mix. beautiful dog. doesnt like children too much. stays the fuck away from them. even runs if need be.

she's well trained. when she'd go after a cat, i yell one word and she returns. whatever the distance is. she's very suspicious about strangers. one word and you have a 70lbs problem with teeth. she's very protective about me. she's very smart. very sneaky. tries to have her way pretty much 24/7. i keep a close eye on her at all times. i've impressed hans schlegel with her. he trains k-9 dogs around the world, even in the states he's well known.

i've invested roughly 2'000$ in her, to be a well trained dog, endless hours and many, many nerves..

as someone stated, if kids were raised and trained as well as some dogs are, the world would be a better place. same goes for dogs really. not everybody takes the efforts. the one's suffering for some idiots should pay the price. yea, get yourself a lawyer and sue the fuck out of everyone else. you're in good company.. very responsible indeed!

uh, how i hate those kids that just approach at about any dog, and tap their heads so rude, or even kick them in the groins.. fuck, if i went on to any woman looking good, tapping them on their head, or their ass, cuddling their boobies, fuck, how many times would i have gotten a slap in the face by now!?!?

you know, dogs are still animals. people sometimes are animals. like the boyfriend that killed the woman mentioned earlier. destroy all humans because they have "the mean gen"!? if its about survival of the fittest, then YOUR ancestors killed other people, be it because they were taking their ressources, or some other, selfish reasons. dogs, and wolves as their ancestors, have only hunted and killed for food, for thousands of decades.. not for sheer pleasure..

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-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda

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Any breed of dog can be aggressive its a shame that some breeds have a bad reputation because they werent socialized, trained OR owned by the right people.
No dog should be trusted with small children.

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All true.


I wouldn't mind betting that more dogs are hurt/mistreated by people than the other way around too.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[D22369 0]

All true.


I wouldn't mind betting that more dogs are hurt/mistreated by people than the other way around too.

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I would put some $$ down on that also

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

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've invested roughly 2'000$ in her, to be a well trained dog, endless hours and many, many nerves..

Damn, I wouldn't expect anyone to want or have to spend that much to train their dog.

The golden retriever I had (don't know if she was purebred, we found her) was super gentle and very easy to train. They are one of the few breeds used for seeing eye dogs. I wouldn't expect that if they were statistically likely to bite.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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well, if people werent stupid enough to talk about things they havent properly researched..

your oh-so-cute golden retrievers and labradors for example: check any statistics, they bite the most! followed by the german shepherd-dogs.. actually pitbulls are pretty much in the far end of that range..

Who was stupid for not doing their research?

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The dogs that are most responsible
Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, has conducted an unusually detailed study of dog bites from 1982 to the present. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.) The Clifton study show the number of serious canine-inflicted injuries by breed. The author's observations about the breeds and generally how to deal with the dangerous dog problem are enlightening.

According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:

If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.

Clifton's opinions are as interesting as his statistics. For example, he says, "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all."

From http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

I'm sorry, hold up. Tell me again about how any statistic says that Goldens and Labs bite the most? Oh wait...these stats are only for MAIMING and KILLING. My bad.

Here are the columns, which didn't work out right: [Attacks doing bodily harm] [Child victim] [Adult victim] [Deaths] [Maimings -loss of limb/perm disfigurement] [Notes]

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Breed
[dogs X victims] [--------Individuals---------]
Akita 48 32 14 1 39
Akita mix (inspecific) 1 1 0 0 1
Akita/Chow mix 3 3 0 0 3
Akita/Lab mix 1 1 0 0 1
Akita/terrier mix 2 1 0 0 1
Airedale/boxer 1 1 0 1 0 #
Airedale 1 1 0 1 0
Australian blue heeler 3 1 1 0 2
Australian cattle dog 1 1 0 0 1
Australian shepherd 6 4 0 0 1
Basset/GSD mix 1 1 0 1 0
Beagle 2 2 0 1 1 #
Belgian shepherd 4 1 3 0 1
Blue heeler 2 0 1 0 1
Border collie 1 0 1 1 1 #
Briard 2 0 1 1 0
Brittany spaniel 4 1 0 0 1
Bulldog (American 4 0 3 2 2
Bulldog (English) 16 8 3 1 9
Bull mastiff (Presa Canario) 30 10 13 6 16
Bull mastiff/German shepherd 2 1 0 1 0
Buff mastiff/Rottweiler 1 1 0 0 1
Boxer 31 6 12 2 12 #
Boxer mix 1 1 0 1 0
Cane Corso 4 1 2 1 3
Catahoula 3 0 1 0 1
Chow 49 34 12 6 32
Chow/husky mix 2 2 0 1 1
Chow/Labrador mix 4 4 0 0 3
Chox mix (other) 2 2 0 0 2
Cocker spaniel 1 1 0 0 1
Collie 3 3 0 0 3
Collie/retriever mix 1 1 0 0 1
Coonhound 1 1 0 0 0
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Dalmatian 3 3 0 0 3
Dalmatian/Akita mix 1 1 0 0 1
Dauschund 2 1 1 1 2 #
Doberman 11 7 4 3 7 #
Doge de Bordeaux 2 1 0 0 1
East Highland terrier 1 0 1 1 0 #
Fila Brasiero 1 1 0 0 1
German shepherd 63 42 17 7 38
German shepherd mix 31 21 7 6 19 #
German shepherd/husky mix 4 3 1 1 2
Golden retriever 6 6 0 1 4 #
Great Dane 24 5 4 2 9
Great Pyranees 1 0 1 1 0
Greyhound 1 1 0 0 1
Husky 39 23 4 13 8
Husky/Malamute mix 2 2 0 0 2
Husky/Labrador mix 1 0 1 0 1
Jack Russell terrier 2 1 1 1 0 #
Labrador 26 18 9 2 20 #
Labrador mix 10 9 1 0 9 #
Labrador/boxer mix 1 0 1 0 0
Lab-Doberman 1 1 0 0 1
Lab-St. Bernard 1 1 0 0 1
Malamute 8 7 1 3 3
Mastiff 16 11 4 4 9
Norwegian elkhound 1 0 1 0 1 #
Pit bull terrier 1110 495 397 104 608 #
Pit bull boxer mix 5 1 2 0 2
Pit bull/chow mix 5 2 3 1 3
Pit bull/Doberman/GSD/Lab 2 2 0 0 2
Pit bull/GSD mix 1 1 0 0 1
Pit bull/Lab mix 15 10 4 3 8 #
Pit bull/Rott. mix 39 7 3 2 8
Pit bull/Sheltie mix 1 1 0 0 1
Pit bull/Weimaraner mix 1 0 1 0 1
Pit mix unknown 3 2 0 0 2
Pointer mix 1 0 1 0 0 #
Pomeranian 1 1 0 1 0
Poodle 2 1 1 0 2 #
Pug 1 1 0 0 1
Pug/Rottweiler mix 2 1 0 1 0
Queensland heeler 3 0 1 0 1
Rottweiler 409 231 109 58 223 #
Rottweiler/chow mix 1 1 0 0 1
Rottweiler/GSD mix 13 7 5 2 10
Rottweiler/Labrador 7 6 1 0 7
Russian terrier 1 0 1 0 1
Saint Bernard 6 3 0 1 1
Sharpei 4 4 0 0 4
Sharpei/Rottweiler 2 1 0 0 1
Sharpei/unknown mix 1 1 0 0 1
Sharpei/Labrador 1 1 0 0 1
Springer spaniel 3 4 0 0 4
Tosa 1 1 0 0 1
Weimaeaner 1 1 0 0 1
Wheaten terrier 2 1 0 0 1
Wolf hybrid 71 65 3 18 43 #
Total: 2209 1142 658 264 1323
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Pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios, and their mixes:
1638 776 537 172 893
74% 68% 82% 65% 68%
Pit, Rott, Wolf hybrid 1590 793 510 181 875
72% 69% 78% 69% 66%

You might have an angel. Clearly, someone isn't doing something right with these breeds...


Just in case that website is biased...here was the next one listed on a Google search for dog bites:

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The breeds most often involved in fatal attacks are Rottweilers and Pit bulls.

In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.

http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%20Statistics/DogBiteStatistics.html

Just in case THAT one's biased, here's the next one:

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Rottweilers and Pit Bulls were involved in 60 percent of the 27 dog bite fatalities that occurred in 1997 and 1998. Rottweilers were involved in 10 deaths, and Pit Bulls were involved in 6.

From 1979 through 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in 238 human dog bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these deaths.

http://www.dogbitelegalcenter.com/resources/dogbite-statistics.html

A-ha! I found a website defending breeds, and countering breed-specific legislation (a site that is NOT held by a breeder, which is rare ) The http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/dangerous_dogs.html Humane Society of the US:

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Two decades ago, pit bulls and Rottweilers (the most recent breeds targeted) attracted little to no public concern. At that time it was the Doberman pinscher who was being vilified. In 2001, few people had heard of the Presa Canario breed, involved in the tragic, fatal attack on Diane Whipple in California in January of that year. Now that breed is being sought by individuals who desire the new "killer dog." Unfortunately, the "problem dog" at any given time is often the most popular breed among individuals who tend to be irresponsible, if not abusive, in the control and keeping of their pets. Simply put, if you ban one breed, individuals will just move on to another one. Banning a breed only speeds up the timetable.

Communities that have banned specific breeds have discovered that it has not been the easy answer they thought it would be. In some areas, media hype has actually increased the demand for dogs whose breed is in danger of being banned. Animal control agencies, even those that are well funded and equipped, have found the laws to be an enforcement nightmare.


If the goal is to offer communities better protection from dogs who are dangerous, then thoughtful legislation that addresses responsible dog keeping is in order. Legislation aimed at punishing the owner of the dog rather than punishing the dog is far more effective in reducing the number of dog bites and attacks. Well enforced, non-breed-specific laws offer an effective and fair solution to the problem of dangerous dogs in all communities.

Comprehensive "dog bite" legislation, coupled with better consumer education and forced responsible pet keeping efforts, would do far more to protect communities than banning a specific breed. The HSUS encourages you to read the Community Approach to Dog Bite Prevention by the American Veterinary Medical Association.

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-is that not what I said earlier?

As I said, if everyone on DZ.com happen to have wonderfully perfect pitbulls, well God bless your little hearts. That means a WHOLE BUNCH of other people out there have crappy ones. 6 of which I've had the unfortunate experience of meeting myself.

I personally have no attachment whatsoever to the breed, and couldn't care less about banning legislation, other than I will not vote for it. For those of you that DO care, 'but I have a good doggie!' Ain't gonna cut it. OP, if you're serious about keeping the breed around, you need to voice responsible ownership with your vote, or (right or wrong) the above quoted stats will speak much louder than you...


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~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

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Australian blue heeler 3 1 1 0 2
Australian cattle dog 1 1 0 0 1

These are the same dog.

Also those numbers are dependent on the popularity of the breed (i'm aware that the pro rata attacks from Rottis and Pits are much high than average).
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the fact that "The Vicious dog Breed" is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Mild mannered families are scared to have dogs considered dangerous
Dickheads who want attack dogs, get so called vicious dogs and train them poorly

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
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[ACMESkydiver 0]

That's true.

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

[lilDevil 2]

Well I think Huskys will be looked at in a different light over here now, or was it a Malamute??

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Dickheads who want attack dogs, get so called vicious dogs and train them poorly
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"DING" we have a winner this is the real problem.

nobody who gets a dog to look tough gets a toy poodle, so they get a rott, or a pit and next thing you know, its out of controll because the owner wasnt prepared or smart enough to work with the dog and reinforce the good behavior or they think that the agressive behaviour is "cute"....

it takes a human to fuck up a good animal, but our species seems to be quite good at screwing shit up..

Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

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well, if people werent stupid enough to talk about things they havent properly researched..

your oh-so-cute golden retrievers and labradors for example: check any statistics, they bite the most! followed by the german shepherd-dogs.. actually pitbulls are pretty much in the far end of that range..

Cite, please.

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i've impressed hans schlegel with her. he trains k-9 dogs around the world, even in the states he's well known.

Never heard of him... what level Schutzhund has your dog attained?

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uh, how i hate those kids that just approach at about any dog, and tap their heads so rude, or even kick them in the groins.. fuck, if i went on to any woman looking good, tapping them on their head, or their ass, cuddling their boobies, fuck, how many times would i have gotten a slap in the face by now!?!?

If your dog cannot tolerate being handled, you should have it muzzled in public.

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http://www.land-oberoesterreich.gv.at/cps/rde/xbcr/SID-3DCFCFC3-27D09369/ooe/InformationSTAT-Hundebiss-Statistik04-05.pdf

http://www.maulkorbzwang.de/Briefe/statistik/Statistiken_gefaehrliche_Hunde_BRD.htm

just two links i've found for switzerland and austria.

maybe people are more responsible here?

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"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
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i've impressed hans schlegel with her. he trains k-9 dogs around the world, even in the states he's well known.

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Never heard of him... what level Schutzhund has your dog attained?

He is a trainer out of Europe, don't know much about him besides that.

On a schutzhund forum a while back there was a HUGE debate about using the terrier breeds for dog ring sports (not dog fighting, think fetch the human in the big funny suit). Most people agreed that they can do the sports well, very strong bite, great trackers and obedience, but once they were on the decoy it tended to be harder to get them off. Also part of the debate was on how much they actually like to play fetch the human, they seemed more stressed out than their shepherd counterparts.

On the other hand the United Schutzhund Clubs of America has banned the Pit breeds with the exception of Staffs in competeing in the bite work portion of Schutzhund trials, there is a German club that allows them to compete in all parts the DVG, but I'm not sure how common they are here in the US.

I know they have been used for SARs and scent police work with great success, but then again these are well trained dogs with responsible owners. I mean you don't see guys in the hood working with their dog on it's CGC award, or helping it become a certified therapy dog.

Fly it like you stole it!

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Can you post a translated clip regarding the pertinent info from those sites? Your point is a little lost when you're posting in a language unfamiliar to those you are debating...

Maybe people over seas are more responsible with their 'aggressive' breed animals...maybe they selectively breed a better lineage, and maybe they don't have as MANY of the breed in question...

Numbers of attacks do little to reveal a breed's temperament unless you know what percentage that number relates to...

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In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.

1-3% causing more than 50% of serious attacks here in the US. That is more informative as to the breed than the raw numbers posted in the 'chart' above...showing over 1,000 serious attacks made by pitbulls.

If breed 'A' has 132 attacks, and breed 'B' has 63, it looks like breed 'A' is more violent...unless you reveal that there are 3,000 breed 'A' animals, and 300 breed 'B' animals. Meaning that in Breed 'A', 4% reported violent aggression. Breed 'B' 21% showed violent aggression. That makes a big difference. They should post percentage of population alongside attack numbers.

Either way, I still think you should be required to take an ownership class to get a dog license...

Take my unfortunate relationship by in-law again...she's gotten 3 dogs from shelters as puppies. When they grew up, she either gave them back or got rid of them. The last one was her daughters' part lab part dalmation, 'Molly'. Apparently, her new pitbulls were chewing up her daughters' dog, so being the stellar mom she is she got rid of her kids' dog so she could keep these aggressive moronic beef-bags of her boysfriend's.

And they are breeding. -Her and the dogs...I don't know which is worse.

~Jaye
Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action.

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I still think you should be required to take an ownership class to get a dog license... ***


I couldnt agree with you more on this, and would also like to see people be required to take a intelligence test to actually have children also.


she's gotten 3 dogs from shelters as puppies. When they grew up, she either gave them back or got rid of them. The last one was her daughters' part lab part dalmation, 'Molly'. Apparently, her new pitbulls were chewing up her daughters' dog, so being the stellar mom she is she got rid of her kids' dog so she could keep these aggressive moronic beef-bags of her boysfriend's.

And they are breeding. -Her and the dogs...I don't know which is worse

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obviously she is too stupid to have any canines and if that is the case she is also probably too stupid to have children and pass on these these genes that promote stupidity...


I mentioned in my first post that my dog stays with my stepfather during the day when I am at work, what I did not mention is that my folks have three other dogs, Harley, who is a 50 lb mutt, buddy, a 5lb chuaha-jack russel mix, and buttercup who is a 12 lb chuaha and daughtsun mix (yeah, I know the spellings are wrong, but its late) plus six inside cats.... Turbo has been well socialized and gets along great with all of them... if the cats run... he will chase them, but when they stop the game is over, he has been staying there during the weekdays for almost 2 years now, and hasn't harmed any of them....

personally I would say its your in laws that are dropping the ball here. Dogs are like children, they CAN be taught correct and acceptable behavior if the owner is strong and dilligent enough, once taught, it stays quite well...

you obviously hate the breed, I wish you could meet mine.... I havent had a single person who has met him dislike him or fear for their life or their childrens..

send a PM to D22359, Livendive, Chrissylicious, Balls, guppie01, Jasonrose - and I can get others names on this forum if you would like a larger opinion audience.

ask them what a member of the bully breed is like when its raised and socialized well.


Roy

They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.

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Bad owners raise bad dogs.

There are plenty of bad owners. Which means there are plenty of bad dogs. Some bad dogs are nothing more than a nuisance while other bad dogs are ... deadly.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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much like humans...parenting takes work, not just physical possesion.

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Lets hope Turbo never suprises you.

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I'm going to put my 2 cents in this... personally I don't have a problem with most breeds of dogs but when Karma was about 4 months old I took her for a walk around my neighborhood and she was attacked by a Pit bull...

I don't necessarily blame the dog... I do fault the owner...

Basically I was walking Karma through our neighborhood. I walked past the house that had a female pitbull who had apparently just given birth to a litter of puppies. Karma and I were about 50 yards past the house when the dog (who was tethered in the back yard...) broke loose and ran down the street to attack Karma who exibited submissive behavior.

I attempted to get in between the Pit and Karma but the Pit Bull ignored me and went right for her.

After mauling Karm a bit the Pit locked her mouth onto Karma's lower Jaw and neck (which locks into place)... The two of us were lucky that bystandard was passing by in a pickup truck and knew how to get the dog to release Karma.

Now, I didn't press charges, but I did file a police report (in case it happened again) I do sort of understand that the dog possibly felt that Kamra and me were imposing on her territory and felt her litter might be threatened... and I like I said I hold more fault with the owner who should understand that the dog is going to be more territorial then normal.

I also don't have a stigma against any breed... pit bulls included... (but Karma might... and she's not as small as she was then... ) fortunately fortunately for all you pitbull owners Karma is not agressive (dominate but not agressive) though she won't stand for any male (unsnipped or otherwise) dogs who think they can hump her at the dog park...

Edited to add: I also maintain positive control over Karma in many environments (including my home). for example when I have deliveries I always put Karma in her Crate before going to the door (she sounds scary, with her nice deep bark, despite the fact that she is harmless)... I do let her stay out when I have guests over and Karma is well socalized with people and other dogs...

Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife...

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the jaws do not lock...
and humping is typically just dominating behavior...which is why bitches also do it to other submissive dogs.
leader of the pack always applies...

I can appreciate your perspective given what your dog experienced...and I agree...the owner should be held more responsible than the dog itself.

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You never see a debate about Yorkies... My Samson & Delilah are the most vicious and ruthless dogs in the neighborhood. If you're a lizard.

We have what's called the PPWL! "Puntable Puppy Wrastlin League" happens every morning in the middle of our bed.

Pit bulls are what they're are a working class dog. It's the breeders and the owners who make them what they are. I've lived with them, I've even been bit by one. It's the chance you take with any animal. I also believe the media has hyped the breed to much. I remember when the Rottweiler (The dogs that guard the gates of hell - ooo aaaa) and the Doberman Pincher were the "bad breeds" Old tales of the Dobie turning in it's owners out of the blue and mauling their faces off. It all boils back down to the breeders and the stock they use to breed with. Take an aggressive fighting stock pair and you'll garner the same... take a less aggressive stock and you'll breed lap dogs.

Basically the Pit bull is like a loaded gun, show it respect and you'll never have to worry

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

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the jaws do not lock...
and humping is typically just dominating behavior...which is why bitches also do it to other submissive dogs.
leader of the pack always applies...

OK, the dogs mouth was attached firmly to Karma (who was wimpering... considering she was only a puppy)

and I know that humping is a trate of dominance... and I'm saying that karma won't stand for it... that when another dog attempts to do it they don't get very far... and a well socalized/balanced dog won't try to do that to other dogs... (a good example is the "pack" on the dog whisperer)

and Karma has "humped" other dogs... I just step in and remind her that I'm in charge (i.e. I'm the "alpha dog") and she shouldn't be doing that sort of thing.

Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife...

[Slappie 9]

Icon134 you're off a bit on the humping and using Casar Milan's pack as an example. For 1) his pack is established. Anytime there is a new dog introduced to the pack the pecking order is disrupted, so there will be higher ranked dogs using the dominance stance upon the new ones and even sometimes within the pack. It's always changing... the leader isn't always the leader in a true pack because "alpha dogs" get old and they lose control. A new "alpha dog" emerges and takes control.

Remember the old saying; "Only the strong survive" it's the same thing when discussing a dog pack.

Example is my Yorkies, they know I'm in charge. They continue to hump each other to find out who is my "second" it's a continuance of dominance and they continually fight (not vicious) between each other to see who gets my attention. We as a family don't encourage the battles. If they're being more aggresive with each other then normal I'll step in and break it up. Mostly it's chasing one another and ear tugging, but it's still a form of dominance. Even in a very small breed.

PPWL 4 LyfE Biotches!!

"Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them."

[Butters 0]

Compare breeds of dogs like we compare guns and knives. Both can kill someone. However, it is much easier to kill someone with a gun than it is with a knife. Thus, we create rules, regulations, training, etc... to own a gun. Does this mean we should create rules, regulations, training, etc... for different breeds of dogs?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch