Shell666 0 #26 September 1, 2007 Quote I hope that Turbo wasn't emotionally damaged by having a confrontation with Todak. Turtle .. you get your little white hiney up here and clean the Naked Grape off my keyboard ... 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #27 September 1, 2007 it coulda been a bad scene, imagine how many shots it woulda taken to get Turbo healthy if Todak had landed a bite Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #28 September 1, 2007 Quote Jaye. I won't try to change your mind, but I would like to at least dispell some of the myths that are floating around. Bad owners raise bad dogs. If a dog is not properly trained and socialized, problems occur. The different types of "Pit Bull" dogs are terriers. They exibit many of the same wonderful traits as other terriers like the oh so cute Jack Russel are praised for. They are very protective of their master and tenatious. That can be misused by a shitty owner to train it to fight, but that is not THE reason they were bred. It was bread to be a working dog aound cattle. Ever hear "Take the bull by the nose"? That is what the Pit Bull was bred for. Here is a site with lots of information about the APBT. How could you not love doggies as cute as these? I have several friends locally that have a Pit. They are wonderful, loving, smart dogs because the owner took the time to raise them properly. Attached is a picture of Stella. She was a rescue dog that always wants to be by your side. I house sat her and she never exibited any agression to any of the dogs at the dog park. I trust the dogs more than some nipping cocker spaniel. Yes, the dust mop also know as a cocker spaniel bites people much more often then the Pit, but no one is calling for bans on it. If you want to see how different dogs rate to a standardized testing for behavior, take a look here. The APBT has a higher rating than Snoopy(beagle). I admit, I'm biased. I hate that people have exploited a wonderful breed for monitary gain/status. My first choice for a dog would be a APBT because of my direct experience with what the breed can be as a loving pet. I'm just sorry your experiences have been with a bad set of owners. All that said...first off: no, personally I don't find the breed cute or handsome-looking at all. I just can't find them attractive; even the puppies look like someone hit 'em with an ugly stick to me. Ugh. Boxers, however, are beauty in balance of strength and sleekness. I don't know anything at all about the breed temperment & I don't care, I'm not getting one. -Just a personal opinion on aesthetics only. I went down to the shelter several months ago to see if we could find a young lab/golden mix to train for the boys. They had 9 kennels with adoptable dogs. 8 of those kennels had pitbulls. Not just one, some of them had 3 or 4 per kennel...geesh. Psycho-barking-spinnning crazy animals. Fun times. On another note, we just got back from the kiddie water park down here in Auburn. There was a birthday party, and they had a pitbull puppy with them. Joe actually pointed it out and was commenting on WTF is up with everyone wanting and throwing away pitbulls right now...I dunno. It's the new 'fad' dog up here. People are destroying them as fast as they're getting them, though...maybe some of them should learn a little more about this fantastic breed before they buy it and then throw it away when it grows up? We saw the same thing probably 15 years ago with the Shar-pei...everyone had to have a Shar-pei puppy because the wrinkles are just SOOOOO cute! [insert ditsy squeal], then when they grew up; 'Holy shit, Marge! This thing is mean! And it doesn't have cute wrinkles any more!' -then the shelters filled up... Maybe people should have to go through a pre-owner's course to get one of these dogs that are known for aggression in particular. Maybe they should learn a little about them before they buy that 'cute little purebred puppy', & they should have to sign an agreement to the fine if that cute little puppy starts injuring people because 'he just can't help himself'...and further, THEY should have to pay $700 to the Humane Society to take the thing in when it grows to it's full adult size and weight, is either unwanted or uncontrollable, and either has to sit for weeks waiting for adoption or be destroyed. I'd be willing to take a course like that myself if I was ever interested in a breed that might be considered aggressive. We were looking at German Shephards because of their amazing intelligence and giftedness at service; hey I'd pay for a course to understand how to take care of that animal properly. A dog's life is worth that much consideration from a human.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #29 September 1, 2007 I would never allow my child to play with a pitbull, properly raised or otherwise. I don't understand why anyone would want a breed like this when there are so many gentle breeds around. Is it a penis thing? John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #30 September 2, 2007 I've told my dog that he doesn't hurry up and get me a date, I'm kicking him to the curb. He looks at me and says,"Yea, right." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #31 September 2, 2007 QuoteI would never allow my child to play with a pitbull, properly raised or otherwise. I don't understand why anyone would want a breed like this when there are so many gentle breeds around. Is it a penis thing? I would never allow my child to skydive. I don't understand why anyone would want to participate in a sport like this when there are so many other, less risky sports. Is it a penis thing?Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #32 September 2, 2007 Lil Devil has a Staffordshiore Bull terrrier, she's staying with us at the moment and so is "JAKE", Jake is a good dog, but like all terriers he has FAR MORE muscle than brains, he's quite young at present but with some discipline will train very well. He's a cute idiot dog at the moment You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #33 September 2, 2007 Quote Quote I hope that Turbo wasn't emotionally damaged by having a confrontation with Todak. Turtle .. you get your little white hiney up here and clean the Naked Grape off my keyboard ... You only want me when you are drunk.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #34 September 2, 2007 QuoteI would never allow my child to skydive. I don't understand why anyone would want to participate in a sport like this when there are so many other, less risky sports. Is it a penis thing? ***Are you really equating skydiving to letting your child play with vicious dogs? You're not a mother are you? John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #35 September 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteI would never allow my child to skydive. I don't understand why anyone would want to participate in a sport like this when there are so many other, less risky sports. Is it a penis thing? ***Are you really equating skydiving to letting your child play with vicious dogs? You're not a mother are you? no one would agree to let a child play with a vicious dog. (All breeds like people can be taught and trained well if care and consideratiuon are used) But a well trained dog is a different thing all together. Personally i would not allow young children to play with ANY dogs unsupervisedYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wrightskyguy 1 #36 September 2, 2007 no one would agree to let a child play with a vicious dog. (All breeds like people can be taught and trained well if care and consideratiuon are used) But a well trained dog is a different thing all together. All pitbulls have the mean gene, even if they are well trained and cared for. If they get confused or scared, the potential to default to kill mode is always there. QuotePersonally i would not allow young children to play with ANY dogs unsupervised Good call. John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #37 September 2, 2007 Quoteno one would agree to let a child play with a vicious dog. (All breeds like people can be taught and trained well if care and consideratiuon are used) But a well trained dog is a different thing all together. All pitbulls have the mean gene, even if they are well trained and cared for. If they get confused or scared, the potential to default to kill mode is always there. QuotePersonally i would not allow young children to play with ANY dogs unsupervised Good call. ANY dog has the *potential* to attack a human.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #38 September 2, 2007 Quote .... I have a date tonight All that just to admit to us that it took a dog to get you a date....sad, man...just sad. Great post.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #39 September 2, 2007 QuoteAre you really equating skydiving to letting your child play with vicious dogs? You're not a mother are you? My child is dead - and no...not from an animal. My point is that each person likes different things. I love the larger dogs - some considered the "vicious" breeds and do not like the ankle biters. I have no issues with people having any breed of dog - as long as the animal is properly trained and managed. I work at an Animal ER and have raised many dogs. I have lost count of the number of dogs that are supposedly the "gentle" breeds that are land-sharks and vicious as hell versus the "vicious" dogs that are nicer than anything. First off, any dog breed can be vicious and all breeds can be bred to be such. It isn't hard for those who want to have a mean Chihuahua or Shitzu or... to breed them such that all puppies have a mean streak in them. Second, no child should play with any animal unsupervised - even the "gentle" breeds - as things can happen that may freak out a dog and have it protect something. If you are an individual that would not have a pitbull, etc., that's your choice. If someone else chooses to have a pitbull, that's their choice. Again...the dog - any dog - should be properly trained and socialized at an early age to prevent issues down the road. And, just like skydiving, you can do everything right with training an animal and shit can happen.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 September 2, 2007 Well said - I've seen little mean dogs, and big gentle dogs, including mastiffs and ridgebacks - how they are raised, trained and socialized has MUCH more to do with the situation than the genetics.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #41 September 2, 2007 Quote Boxers, however, are beauty in balance of strength and sleekness. I don't know anything at all about the breed temperment & I don't care, I'm not getting one. -Just a personal opinion on aesthetics only. Well, I can tell you first hand what a Boxer's temperment is. They are very BIG, SLOBBERING, LOVING dogs. Mine's 85 lbs of "lap dog". He has a cat. His cat is 9 lbs (my MIA cat from a previous thread). Herc is SO gentle with him and Teko LOVES him as well - despite the fact that he ends up quite 'wet' after an encounter with his favourite dog. And he has been around kids all his life (he's 6 ... the kids are now 11 and 13). He LOVES them to death. And is so gentle with them. And he listens to them more than he listens to me. And thank you for saying Boxers are beautiful. To be honest, I don't think my little fella is sleek or beautiful ... but he is cute in his own way. And I wouldn't trade his slobbering, dorky ways for ANY other dog. I never wanted a dog. I "adopted" him because my brother was moving and his new landlord wouldn't allow dogs. And if the landlord ever does allow dogs, my bro can get a new one. I'm keeping this boy. He's mine. 4+years means he's mine, right?? 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 897 #42 September 2, 2007 um...wow all humans have this same "mean gene" and upbringing makes all the difference there too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #43 September 2, 2007 Oh man, I LOVE boxer dogs. I have always wanted one. I'm just waiting for one of our dogs to croak (from old age) so that I can get my boxer puppy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #44 September 2, 2007 I've never seen a white one before! My mom's best friend growing up bred brindles. Y'know, I wonder what ever happened to her dogs...she was tragically murdered by her boyfriend when I was a kid. I hope the doggies went to good homes. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #45 September 2, 2007 Here we go...I knew someone on here had a chestnut boxer. Moodyskydiver has one too, but I don't remember ever seeing a pic of it. Edit: I found another white one! How cool, I never even knew that white boxers existed... Ps...I said the first link was 'brindle' I think I was wrong.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #46 September 2, 2007 Quote Oh man, I LOVE boxer dogs. I have always wanted one. I'm just waiting for one of our dogs to croak (from old age) so that I can get my boxer puppy. Get a Boxer. There's no better "friend" than a big slobbering Boxer! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #47 September 2, 2007 Quote Here we go...I knew someone on here had a chestnut boxer. Moodyskydiver has one too, but I don't remember ever seeing a pic of it. Edit: I found another white one! How cool, I never even knew that white boxers existed... Ps...I said the first link was 'brindle' I think I was wrong. Up until recently white puppies were culled from the litter. When my brother found Herc, the breeder didn't want to let him have him. You can't breed white Boxers. My brother didn't want him for breeding. He wanted him as a pet. Thankfully they agreed to let him have Herc as a pet, as long as he was fixed and proof was provided. Boxers are AMAZING dogs, regardless of their colour. To be honest, I think the white ones are more handsome. But that's just me. Find a breed you love. And don't bash the other ones.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #48 September 2, 2007 >There are undesirable characterics in all breeds. Yes, but some have different characteristics. It is not accurate to say "well, all breeds have the same undesirable characteristics." They have specific characteristics that were bred into them for specific purposes. Take water dogs. A Gordon Setter will, without any training, go after things in the water and carry them back without hurting them. They are bred to do that, and their breeding has been so specific that they now have a genetic disposition to do that near the water. Put a Pomeranian near the water, and chances are it won't dive in looking for things to retrieve. Likewise, pit bulls (specifically pit bull terriers) were bred to fight. They were created from terrier/bulldog stock and bred initially for bull-baiting. They did this by breeding for aggression, stamina, the ability to hold on and never, ever let go (a characteristic of some bulldogs.) After bull-baiting was outlawed they were used as working dogs and as fighting dogs (mostly illegally.) Nowadays they are sometimes bred for aggression (fighting dogs) and sometimes bred as pets. Just as you can breed for aggression, you can breed for docility, by killing/sterilizing the more aggressive dogs in a pitbull litter. If we did this for a few generations a lot of the aggressive traits would disappear, but unfortunately many people nowadays still breed them for aggression - so those traits remain. Nowadays pitbulls can make good pets if: -you are careful with the litter and choose a more docile pup -you are careful about training them, specifically in ways to channel their aggressive impulses -you are careful around other dogs, because they still are quite aggressive naturally (which doesn't mean violent, although it can lead to that) If you can do those things (and most people do in my experience) they can make great pets. The problems arise (IMO) when people get a random pitbull pup, fall in love with it and don't train it much. In those cases the dog's inherent aggressive streak can come out during inopportune times, and the owner's fondness for the animal will tempt them to overlook its unacceptable behaviors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #49 September 2, 2007 Quote Here we go...I knew someone on here had a chestnut boxer. Moodyskydiver has one too, but I don't remember ever seeing a pic of it. Edit: I found another white one! How cool, I never even knew that white boxers existed... Ps...I said the first link was 'brindle' I think I was wrong. It's called a "fawn" boxer. There are fawn, brindle, and white boxers. All are beautiful but fawn is my favorite. Before my husband and I adopted our pit/lab mix, we adopted a fawn boxer from a family near our house. He ended up needing more care than we could provide at the time, so we thought it best to give him back to the family, who ended up wanting to keep him anyway. I was so bummed we chose to give him up, but it was best. I love Hudson (our pit/lab) but I want a Boxer so bad. Ask my husband, I bug him all the time about it. In fact, there was an ad for boxer puppies in the pennysaver and I still can't shut up about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #50 September 2, 2007 and a darned good date it was Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. 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Squeak 17 #35 September 2, 2007 QuoteQuoteI would never allow my child to skydive. I don't understand why anyone would want to participate in a sport like this when there are so many other, less risky sports. Is it a penis thing? ***Are you really equating skydiving to letting your child play with vicious dogs? You're not a mother are you? no one would agree to let a child play with a vicious dog. (All breeds like people can be taught and trained well if care and consideratiuon are used) But a well trained dog is a different thing all together. Personally i would not allow young children to play with ANY dogs unsupervisedYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wrightskyguy 1 #36 September 2, 2007 no one would agree to let a child play with a vicious dog. (All breeds like people can be taught and trained well if care and consideratiuon are used) But a well trained dog is a different thing all together. All pitbulls have the mean gene, even if they are well trained and cared for. If they get confused or scared, the potential to default to kill mode is always there. QuotePersonally i would not allow young children to play with ANY dogs unsupervised Good call. John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #37 September 2, 2007 Quoteno one would agree to let a child play with a vicious dog. (All breeds like people can be taught and trained well if care and consideratiuon are used) But a well trained dog is a different thing all together. All pitbulls have the mean gene, even if they are well trained and cared for. If they get confused or scared, the potential to default to kill mode is always there. QuotePersonally i would not allow young children to play with ANY dogs unsupervised Good call. ANY dog has the *potential* to attack a human.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #38 September 2, 2007 Quote .... I have a date tonight All that just to admit to us that it took a dog to get you a date....sad, man...just sad. Great post.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ladyskydiver 0 #39 September 2, 2007 QuoteAre you really equating skydiving to letting your child play with vicious dogs? You're not a mother are you? My child is dead - and no...not from an animal. My point is that each person likes different things. I love the larger dogs - some considered the "vicious" breeds and do not like the ankle biters. I have no issues with people having any breed of dog - as long as the animal is properly trained and managed. I work at an Animal ER and have raised many dogs. I have lost count of the number of dogs that are supposedly the "gentle" breeds that are land-sharks and vicious as hell versus the "vicious" dogs that are nicer than anything. First off, any dog breed can be vicious and all breeds can be bred to be such. It isn't hard for those who want to have a mean Chihuahua or Shitzu or... to breed them such that all puppies have a mean streak in them. Second, no child should play with any animal unsupervised - even the "gentle" breeds - as things can happen that may freak out a dog and have it protect something. If you are an individual that would not have a pitbull, etc., that's your choice. If someone else chooses to have a pitbull, that's their choice. Again...the dog - any dog - should be properly trained and socialized at an early age to prevent issues down the road. And, just like skydiving, you can do everything right with training an animal and shit can happen.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #40 September 2, 2007 Well said - I've seen little mean dogs, and big gentle dogs, including mastiffs and ridgebacks - how they are raised, trained and socialized has MUCH more to do with the situation than the genetics.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #41 September 2, 2007 Quote Boxers, however, are beauty in balance of strength and sleekness. I don't know anything at all about the breed temperment & I don't care, I'm not getting one. -Just a personal opinion on aesthetics only. Well, I can tell you first hand what a Boxer's temperment is. They are very BIG, SLOBBERING, LOVING dogs. Mine's 85 lbs of "lap dog". He has a cat. His cat is 9 lbs (my MIA cat from a previous thread). Herc is SO gentle with him and Teko LOVES him as well - despite the fact that he ends up quite 'wet' after an encounter with his favourite dog. And he has been around kids all his life (he's 6 ... the kids are now 11 and 13). He LOVES them to death. And is so gentle with them. And he listens to them more than he listens to me. And thank you for saying Boxers are beautiful. To be honest, I don't think my little fella is sleek or beautiful ... but he is cute in his own way. And I wouldn't trade his slobbering, dorky ways for ANY other dog. I never wanted a dog. I "adopted" him because my brother was moving and his new landlord wouldn't allow dogs. And if the landlord ever does allow dogs, my bro can get a new one. I'm keeping this boy. He's mine. 4+years means he's mine, right?? 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 897 #42 September 2, 2007 um...wow all humans have this same "mean gene" and upbringing makes all the difference there too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #43 September 2, 2007 Oh man, I LOVE boxer dogs. I have always wanted one. I'm just waiting for one of our dogs to croak (from old age) so that I can get my boxer puppy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #44 September 2, 2007 I've never seen a white one before! My mom's best friend growing up bred brindles. Y'know, I wonder what ever happened to her dogs...she was tragically murdered by her boyfriend when I was a kid. I hope the doggies went to good homes. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #45 September 2, 2007 Here we go...I knew someone on here had a chestnut boxer. Moodyskydiver has one too, but I don't remember ever seeing a pic of it. Edit: I found another white one! How cool, I never even knew that white boxers existed... Ps...I said the first link was 'brindle' I think I was wrong.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #46 September 2, 2007 Quote Oh man, I LOVE boxer dogs. I have always wanted one. I'm just waiting for one of our dogs to croak (from old age) so that I can get my boxer puppy. Get a Boxer. There's no better "friend" than a big slobbering Boxer! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shell666 0 #47 September 2, 2007 Quote Here we go...I knew someone on here had a chestnut boxer. Moodyskydiver has one too, but I don't remember ever seeing a pic of it. Edit: I found another white one! How cool, I never even knew that white boxers existed... Ps...I said the first link was 'brindle' I think I was wrong. Up until recently white puppies were culled from the litter. When my brother found Herc, the breeder didn't want to let him have him. You can't breed white Boxers. My brother didn't want him for breeding. He wanted him as a pet. Thankfully they agreed to let him have Herc as a pet, as long as he was fixed and proof was provided. Boxers are AMAZING dogs, regardless of their colour. To be honest, I think the white ones are more handsome. But that's just me. Find a breed you love. And don't bash the other ones.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #48 September 2, 2007 >There are undesirable characterics in all breeds. Yes, but some have different characteristics. It is not accurate to say "well, all breeds have the same undesirable characteristics." They have specific characteristics that were bred into them for specific purposes. Take water dogs. A Gordon Setter will, without any training, go after things in the water and carry them back without hurting them. They are bred to do that, and their breeding has been so specific that they now have a genetic disposition to do that near the water. Put a Pomeranian near the water, and chances are it won't dive in looking for things to retrieve. Likewise, pit bulls (specifically pit bull terriers) were bred to fight. They were created from terrier/bulldog stock and bred initially for bull-baiting. They did this by breeding for aggression, stamina, the ability to hold on and never, ever let go (a characteristic of some bulldogs.) After bull-baiting was outlawed they were used as working dogs and as fighting dogs (mostly illegally.) Nowadays they are sometimes bred for aggression (fighting dogs) and sometimes bred as pets. Just as you can breed for aggression, you can breed for docility, by killing/sterilizing the more aggressive dogs in a pitbull litter. If we did this for a few generations a lot of the aggressive traits would disappear, but unfortunately many people nowadays still breed them for aggression - so those traits remain. Nowadays pitbulls can make good pets if: -you are careful with the litter and choose a more docile pup -you are careful about training them, specifically in ways to channel their aggressive impulses -you are careful around other dogs, because they still are quite aggressive naturally (which doesn't mean violent, although it can lead to that) If you can do those things (and most people do in my experience) they can make great pets. The problems arise (IMO) when people get a random pitbull pup, fall in love with it and don't train it much. In those cases the dog's inherent aggressive streak can come out during inopportune times, and the owner's fondness for the animal will tempt them to overlook its unacceptable behaviors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #49 September 2, 2007 Quote Here we go...I knew someone on here had a chestnut boxer. Moodyskydiver has one too, but I don't remember ever seeing a pic of it. Edit: I found another white one! How cool, I never even knew that white boxers existed... Ps...I said the first link was 'brindle' I think I was wrong. It's called a "fawn" boxer. There are fawn, brindle, and white boxers. All are beautiful but fawn is my favorite. Before my husband and I adopted our pit/lab mix, we adopted a fawn boxer from a family near our house. He ended up needing more care than we could provide at the time, so we thought it best to give him back to the family, who ended up wanting to keep him anyway. I was so bummed we chose to give him up, but it was best. I love Hudson (our pit/lab) but I want a Boxer so bad. Ask my husband, I bug him all the time about it. In fact, there was an ad for boxer puppies in the pennysaver and I still can't shut up about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #50 September 2, 2007 and a darned good date it was Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
wrightskyguy 1 #36 September 2, 2007 no one would agree to let a child play with a vicious dog. (All breeds like people can be taught and trained well if care and consideratiuon are used) But a well trained dog is a different thing all together. All pitbulls have the mean gene, even if they are well trained and cared for. If they get confused or scared, the potential to default to kill mode is always there. QuotePersonally i would not allow young children to play with ANY dogs unsupervised Good call. John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 September 2, 2007 Quoteno one would agree to let a child play with a vicious dog. (All breeds like people can be taught and trained well if care and consideratiuon are used) But a well trained dog is a different thing all together. All pitbulls have the mean gene, even if they are well trained and cared for. If they get confused or scared, the potential to default to kill mode is always there. QuotePersonally i would not allow young children to play with ANY dogs unsupervised Good call. ANY dog has the *potential* to attack a human.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #38 September 2, 2007 Quote .... I have a date tonight All that just to admit to us that it took a dog to get you a date....sad, man...just sad. Great post.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #39 September 2, 2007 QuoteAre you really equating skydiving to letting your child play with vicious dogs? You're not a mother are you? My child is dead - and no...not from an animal. My point is that each person likes different things. I love the larger dogs - some considered the "vicious" breeds and do not like the ankle biters. I have no issues with people having any breed of dog - as long as the animal is properly trained and managed. I work at an Animal ER and have raised many dogs. I have lost count of the number of dogs that are supposedly the "gentle" breeds that are land-sharks and vicious as hell versus the "vicious" dogs that are nicer than anything. First off, any dog breed can be vicious and all breeds can be bred to be such. It isn't hard for those who want to have a mean Chihuahua or Shitzu or... to breed them such that all puppies have a mean streak in them. Second, no child should play with any animal unsupervised - even the "gentle" breeds - as things can happen that may freak out a dog and have it protect something. If you are an individual that would not have a pitbull, etc., that's your choice. If someone else chooses to have a pitbull, that's their choice. Again...the dog - any dog - should be properly trained and socialized at an early age to prevent issues down the road. And, just like skydiving, you can do everything right with training an animal and shit can happen.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 September 2, 2007 Well said - I've seen little mean dogs, and big gentle dogs, including mastiffs and ridgebacks - how they are raised, trained and socialized has MUCH more to do with the situation than the genetics.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #41 September 2, 2007 Quote Boxers, however, are beauty in balance of strength and sleekness. I don't know anything at all about the breed temperment & I don't care, I'm not getting one. -Just a personal opinion on aesthetics only. Well, I can tell you first hand what a Boxer's temperment is. They are very BIG, SLOBBERING, LOVING dogs. Mine's 85 lbs of "lap dog". He has a cat. His cat is 9 lbs (my MIA cat from a previous thread). Herc is SO gentle with him and Teko LOVES him as well - despite the fact that he ends up quite 'wet' after an encounter with his favourite dog. And he has been around kids all his life (he's 6 ... the kids are now 11 and 13). He LOVES them to death. And is so gentle with them. And he listens to them more than he listens to me. And thank you for saying Boxers are beautiful. To be honest, I don't think my little fella is sleek or beautiful ... but he is cute in his own way. And I wouldn't trade his slobbering, dorky ways for ANY other dog. I never wanted a dog. I "adopted" him because my brother was moving and his new landlord wouldn't allow dogs. And if the landlord ever does allow dogs, my bro can get a new one. I'm keeping this boy. He's mine. 4+years means he's mine, right?? 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #42 September 2, 2007 um...wow all humans have this same "mean gene" and upbringing makes all the difference there too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #43 September 2, 2007 Oh man, I LOVE boxer dogs. I have always wanted one. I'm just waiting for one of our dogs to croak (from old age) so that I can get my boxer puppy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #44 September 2, 2007 I've never seen a white one before! My mom's best friend growing up bred brindles. Y'know, I wonder what ever happened to her dogs...she was tragically murdered by her boyfriend when I was a kid. I hope the doggies went to good homes. ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #45 September 2, 2007 Here we go...I knew someone on here had a chestnut boxer. Moodyskydiver has one too, but I don't remember ever seeing a pic of it. Edit: I found another white one! How cool, I never even knew that white boxers existed... Ps...I said the first link was 'brindle' I think I was wrong.~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #46 September 2, 2007 Quote Oh man, I LOVE boxer dogs. I have always wanted one. I'm just waiting for one of our dogs to croak (from old age) so that I can get my boxer puppy. Get a Boxer. There's no better "friend" than a big slobbering Boxer! 'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shell666 0 #47 September 2, 2007 Quote Here we go...I knew someone on here had a chestnut boxer. Moodyskydiver has one too, but I don't remember ever seeing a pic of it. Edit: I found another white one! How cool, I never even knew that white boxers existed... Ps...I said the first link was 'brindle' I think I was wrong. Up until recently white puppies were culled from the litter. When my brother found Herc, the breeder didn't want to let him have him. You can't breed white Boxers. My brother didn't want him for breeding. He wanted him as a pet. Thankfully they agreed to let him have Herc as a pet, as long as he was fixed and proof was provided. Boxers are AMAZING dogs, regardless of their colour. To be honest, I think the white ones are more handsome. But that's just me. Find a breed you love. And don't bash the other ones.'Shell Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #48 September 2, 2007 >There are undesirable characterics in all breeds. Yes, but some have different characteristics. It is not accurate to say "well, all breeds have the same undesirable characteristics." They have specific characteristics that were bred into them for specific purposes. Take water dogs. A Gordon Setter will, without any training, go after things in the water and carry them back without hurting them. They are bred to do that, and their breeding has been so specific that they now have a genetic disposition to do that near the water. Put a Pomeranian near the water, and chances are it won't dive in looking for things to retrieve. Likewise, pit bulls (specifically pit bull terriers) were bred to fight. They were created from terrier/bulldog stock and bred initially for bull-baiting. They did this by breeding for aggression, stamina, the ability to hold on and never, ever let go (a characteristic of some bulldogs.) After bull-baiting was outlawed they were used as working dogs and as fighting dogs (mostly illegally.) Nowadays they are sometimes bred for aggression (fighting dogs) and sometimes bred as pets. Just as you can breed for aggression, you can breed for docility, by killing/sterilizing the more aggressive dogs in a pitbull litter. If we did this for a few generations a lot of the aggressive traits would disappear, but unfortunately many people nowadays still breed them for aggression - so those traits remain. Nowadays pitbulls can make good pets if: -you are careful with the litter and choose a more docile pup -you are careful about training them, specifically in ways to channel their aggressive impulses -you are careful around other dogs, because they still are quite aggressive naturally (which doesn't mean violent, although it can lead to that) If you can do those things (and most people do in my experience) they can make great pets. The problems arise (IMO) when people get a random pitbull pup, fall in love with it and don't train it much. In those cases the dog's inherent aggressive streak can come out during inopportune times, and the owner's fondness for the animal will tempt them to overlook its unacceptable behaviors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #49 September 2, 2007 Quote Here we go...I knew someone on here had a chestnut boxer. Moodyskydiver has one too, but I don't remember ever seeing a pic of it. Edit: I found another white one! How cool, I never even knew that white boxers existed... Ps...I said the first link was 'brindle' I think I was wrong. It's called a "fawn" boxer. There are fawn, brindle, and white boxers. All are beautiful but fawn is my favorite. Before my husband and I adopted our pit/lab mix, we adopted a fawn boxer from a family near our house. He ended up needing more care than we could provide at the time, so we thought it best to give him back to the family, who ended up wanting to keep him anyway. I was so bummed we chose to give him up, but it was best. I love Hudson (our pit/lab) but I want a Boxer so bad. Ask my husband, I bug him all the time about it. In fact, there was an ad for boxer puppies in the pennysaver and I still can't shut up about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #50 September 2, 2007 and a darned good date it was Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
