psipike02 0 #26 October 19, 2007 QuoteThis one is probably fake too: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/ignace/physics/BA_Sonic_Boom_opt.jpg And for the record, at an airshow, a jet will not actually break the sound barrier. It can't. If it did, it would create a sonic boom, which would be probably deafening and subsequently it would break all nearby windows. The vapor cloud you see formed during an airshow is the jet flying near or at the speed of sound, but not breaking the sound barrier. Wow, ok, since you want to challenge me on this and step up to the plate, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier Know what you're talking about before you try to disprove people who might have some sense and know what they're talking about...ESPECIALLY when it comes to their field of study...Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #27 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhatever dude, I guess he must have photoshopped it because you say so. Funny how the picture in the first post that you are so skeptical of, you can't even see what's going on in the water before the vapor cloud. My guess? It looks the same as the one in the picture I posted. No I just presented what I believed to be fact...excuse me for doing so because I have a degree in aeronautics and astronautics and work at an aerospace company and can explain? Can you?? I just know what my engineering sense tells me should be happening...its not about what I'm seeing, its about what I know and my understanding of physics, aerodynamics, and gas dynamics and propulsion... Just because someone doesn't agree with your "word" don't get all pissy....if you dont like it, then dont post on here...stop taking everything so personal.. I'm welcome to my own fucking opinion....if its not photoshopped then I'll apologize, but I'm still welcome to believe what I want... If you dont like it....too bad Say whatever you want man, I don't give two shits really. Just saying that I do not believe the picture to be fake. You're claiming otherwise because you have a degree in aeronautics and astronautics. You must be right. The picture is a fake! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #28 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhatever dude, I guess he must have photoshopped it because you say so. Funny how the picture in the first post that you are so skeptical of, you can't even see what's going on in the water before the vapor cloud. My guess? It looks the same as the one in the picture I posted. No I just presented what I believed to be fact...excuse me for doing so because I have a degree in aeronautics and astronautics and work at an aerospace company and can explain? Can you?? I just know what my engineering sense tells me should be happening...its not about what I'm seeing, its about what I know and my understanding of physics, aerodynamics, and gas dynamics and propulsion... Just because someone doesn't agree with your "word" don't get all pissy....if you dont like it, then dont post on here...stop taking everything so personal.. I'm welcome to my own fucking opinion....if its not photoshopped then I'll apologize, but I'm still welcome to believe what I want... If you dont like it....too bad Say whatever you want man, I don't give two shits really. Just saying that I do not believe the picture to be fake. You're claiming otherwise because you have a degree in aeronautics and astronautics. You must be right. /reply] No i'm claiming otherwise because my knowledge points to reasons why it might be fake. You're going off of things you "think" you know.....Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #29 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis one is probably fake too: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/ignace/physics/BA_Sonic_Boom_opt.jpg And for the record, at an airshow, a jet will not actually break the sound barrier. It can't. If it did, it would create a sonic boom, which would be probably deafening and subsequently it would break all nearby windows. The vapor cloud you see formed during an airshow is the jet flying near or at the speed of sound, but not breaking the sound barrier. Wow, ok, since you want to challenge me on this and step up to the plate, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier Know what you're talking about before you try to disprove people who might have some sense and know what they're talking about...ESPECIALLY when it comes to their field of study... That link doesn't disprove anything I just said about airshow sonic booms, but thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites psipike02 0 #30 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis one is probably fake too: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/ignace/physics/BA_Sonic_Boom_opt.jpg And for the record, at an airshow, a jet will not actually break the sound barrier. It can't. If it did, it would create a sonic boom, which would be probably deafening and subsequently it would break all nearby windows. The vapor cloud you see formed during an airshow is the jet flying near or at the speed of sound, but not breaking the sound barrier. Wow, ok, since you want to challenge me on this and step up to the plate, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier Know what you're talking about before you try to disprove people who might have some sense and know what they're talking about...ESPECIALLY when it comes to their field of study... That link doesn't disprove anything I just said about airshow sonic booms, but thanks. Your picture didn't happen at an airshow, so makes that a relevant argument....omg, you're ridiculous...fuck this... You obviously know all; there is to know. Maybe we should just rename the website to Conundrum.com When you fly at or near the speed of sound, you get ready to break the SOUND BARRIER....who the fuck cares about airshows... And the condensation is due to vapor pressure and gas around the aircraft.....fuck that, i'll stick to talking to people who have some kind of sensePuttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #31 October 19, 2007 QuoteI shared it with some techie folks, they said definitely photoshop. I'm waiting for the answer as to how they can tell. No I didn't take the pic. Didn't pshop it either. I'll try to find the source again. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites psipike02 0 #32 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteI shared it with some techie folks, they said definitely photoshop. I'm waiting for the answer as to how they can tell. No I didn't take the pic. Didn't pshop it either. I'll try to find the source again. And this isn't a cut against you man....if its a reputable source, thats cool...its a great pic nonetheless and I love the Blue Angels... I was just curious about it...Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #33 October 19, 2007 Found it here: http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2007/10/angels-and-geek.html "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jtval 0 #34 October 19, 2007 QuoteNice shots, JT!! What was your setup? THanks, Guess I'll hi jack this thread. XT 200mm ISO 100, f8-10,Tv approx 1000. those pics are cropped in quite a bit.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #35 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis one is probably fake too: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/ignace/physics/BA_Sonic_Boom_opt.jpg And for the record, at an airshow, a jet will not actually break the sound barrier. It can't. If it did, it would create a sonic boom, which would be probably deafening and subsequently it would break all nearby windows. The vapor cloud you see formed during an airshow is the jet flying near or at the speed of sound, but not breaking the sound barrier. Wow, ok, since you want to challenge me on this and step up to the plate, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier Know what you're talking about before you try to disprove people who might have some sense and know what they're talking about...ESPECIALLY when it comes to their field of study... That link doesn't disprove anything I just said about airshow sonic booms, but thanks. Your picture didn't happen at an airshow, so makes that a relevant argument....omg, you're ridiculous...fuck this... You obviously know all; there is to know. Maybe we should just rename the website to Conundrum.com When you fly at or near the speed of sound, you get ready to break the SOUND BARRIER....who the fuck cares about airshows... And the condensation is due to vapor pressure and gas around the aircraft.....fuck that, i'll stick to talking to people who have some kind of sense Here is a direct quote from one of my posts: "It's just on the cusp of breaking the sound barrier, which is why it has the vaopr/condensation cloud around it." Which is exactly what you just said. So, I'm not sure why you're telling me I'm wrong about breaking the sound barrier. Also, if you want to tell me to "shut the fuck up" feel free to say it here and not in the PM you sent me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites psipike02 0 #36 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis one is probably fake too: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/ignace/physics/BA_Sonic_Boom_opt.jpg And for the record, at an airshow, a jet will not actually break the sound barrier. It can't. If it did, it would create a sonic boom, which would be probably deafening and subsequently it would break all nearby windows. The vapor cloud you see formed during an airshow is the jet flying near or at the speed of sound, but not breaking the sound barrier. Wow, ok, since you want to challenge me on this and step up to the plate, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier Know what you're talking about before you try to disprove people who might have some sense and know what they're talking about...ESPECIALLY when it comes to their field of study... That link doesn't disprove anything I just said about airshow sonic booms, but thanks. Your picture didn't happen at an airshow, so makes that a relevant argument....omg, you're ridiculous...fuck this... You obviously know all; there is to know. Maybe we should just rename the website to Conundrum.com When you fly at or near the speed of sound, you get ready to break the SOUND BARRIER....who the fuck cares about airshows... And the condensation is due to vapor pressure and gas around the aircraft.....fuck that, i'll stick to talking to people who have some kind of sense Here is a direct quote from one of my posts: "It's just on the cusp of breaking the sound barrier, which is why it has the vaopr/condensation cloud around it." Which is exactly what you just said. So, I'm not sure why you're telling me I'm wrong about breaking the sound barrier. Also, if you want to tell me to "shut the fuck up" feel free to say it here and not in the PM you sent me. I dont care....shut the fuck up.... Hows that?Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #37 October 19, 2007 I'm thinking it is real, or leaning that way. The explanations or reasons for suspicion so far are not very strong. One person said it must be fake because they are not allowed to fly that low near spectators. But with a telephoto lens the depth of field is very poor, and can be deceiving. There might actually be quite a bit of space between the foreground and background boats. Another suspicion is the shape of the vapor being created; that it would not be nearly so symetrical that close to the water. But with fast, yet subsonic flight, we might not see deformation of the vapor cone caused by a surface nearby - but outside - the vapor cone. An interesting conundrum." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites psipike02 0 #38 October 19, 2007 Quote I'm thinking it is real, or leaning that way. The explanations or reasons for suspicion so far are not very strong. One person said it must be fake because they are not allowed to fly that low near spectators. But with a telephoto lens the depth of field is very poor, and can be deceiving. There might actually be quite a bit of space between the foreground and background boats. Another suspicion is the shape of the vapor being created; that it would not be nearly so symetrical that close to the water. But with fast, yet subsonic flight, we might not see deformation of the vapor cone caused by a surface nearby - but outside - the vapor cone. An interesting conundrum. Thank you....thats an argument I agree with... Quote An interesting conundrum. Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 20 #39 October 19, 2007 Enough... Both of you. I've been to enough airshows to know thats a pretty standerd act for the BA's to pull. San Francisco is a bit different and they push the limits and play in the bay and around the city more then other airshows. This is the one time I can think they pretty much ignore the "Direct no energy towards a crowd" airshow requirement.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #40 October 19, 2007 It is the only photo from the article that the author didn't take. I just sent him an email asking if he knows the source. My thought was that it just appears to be that low due to lense, etc The condensate cloud does not imply supersonic flight. That kind of cloud can occur at .8 Mach, ~600 mph at sea level. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites psipike02 0 #41 October 19, 2007 Cool... QuoteThe condensate cloud does not imply supersonic flight. That kind of cloud can occur at .8 Mach, ~600 mph at sea level. Well yes that I know....because of air pressure at sea level. I was just wondering even with breaking that cloud, it should cause a disturbance of some sort, but I've never been to SF to see this in person, so I can't comment.Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #42 October 19, 2007 Quotebut I've never been to SF to see this in person, so I can't comment. Oh the irony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites psipike02 0 #43 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuotebut I've never been to SF to see this in person, so I can't comment. Oh the irony. Phreezone see what I mean...she continually just instigates the entire situation. There's no irony. No I've never been there but can still comment. Just like I've never met you, but that's not going to stop me from having really bad preliminary notions of what kind of person you are.....Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #44 October 19, 2007 I think it's totally ridiculous that you just spent the last 20 minutes INSISTING that I was wrong, that it was a photoshop, and now it's: "I wasn't there so I can't comment". It's hilarious! Quote Just like I've never met you, but that's not going to stop me from having really bad preliminary notions of what kind of person you are..... Ditto my dear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #45 October 19, 2007 QuoteIt is the only photo from the article that the author didn't take. I just sent him an email asking if he knows the source. My thought was that it just appears to be that low due to lense, etc The condensate cloud does not imply supersonic flight. That kind of cloud can occur at .8 Mach, ~600 mph at sea level. Isn't that just an extreme version of the little swirly goodies we sometimes see coming off the wingtips of something even as small as a 182?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BikerBabe 0 #46 October 19, 2007 snapping this sort of photo isn't luck. it's skill and practice. i sure as hell couldn't do it, but my husband, who photographs motorcycle road races all the time, probably could. And it's real. I've seen this with my own eyes. And yes, i too was looking at it going "hmm, wonder what the shock angle is...bet i could figure out how fast he's going!" Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites psipike02 0 #47 October 19, 2007 Can't comment about what happens during the show, as phreezone stated. I CAN COMMENT on things that I know about, such as you saying that being near the speed of sound isn't breaking the sound barrier. Seriously, I feel bad for you. That's all i'm going to say because anything more and I will get kicked off. I just hope I never get the chance to meet you in real life. Have a great day!! Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Conundrum 1 #48 October 19, 2007 Quote Have a great day!! I will, thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites psipike02 0 #49 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt is the only photo from the article that the author didn't take. I just sent him an email asking if he knows the source. My thought was that it just appears to be that low due to lense, etc The condensate cloud does not imply supersonic flight. That kind of cloud can occur at .8 Mach, ~600 mph at sea level. Isn't that just an extreme version of the little swirly goodies we sometimes see coming off the wingtips of something even as small as a 182? Not really, those are wingtip vorticies and are caused by a disturbance in the boundary layer (airflow) flowing over the wing. Its a difference in pressure between the top edge and bottom edge of the wing, but not a drop in pressure, as it becomes regulated again at the trailing edge. And Bikerbabe, thanks you, if you've seen it, then thats all the proof I need.Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SARLDO 0 #50 October 19, 2007 Anybody else go through a bag of popcorn over this one or was it just me?"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest" ~Samuel Clemens MB#4300 Dudeist Skydiver #68 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 2 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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Conundrum 1 #29 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis one is probably fake too: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/ignace/physics/BA_Sonic_Boom_opt.jpg And for the record, at an airshow, a jet will not actually break the sound barrier. It can't. If it did, it would create a sonic boom, which would be probably deafening and subsequently it would break all nearby windows. The vapor cloud you see formed during an airshow is the jet flying near or at the speed of sound, but not breaking the sound barrier. Wow, ok, since you want to challenge me on this and step up to the plate, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier Know what you're talking about before you try to disprove people who might have some sense and know what they're talking about...ESPECIALLY when it comes to their field of study... That link doesn't disprove anything I just said about airshow sonic booms, but thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #30 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis one is probably fake too: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/ignace/physics/BA_Sonic_Boom_opt.jpg And for the record, at an airshow, a jet will not actually break the sound barrier. It can't. If it did, it would create a sonic boom, which would be probably deafening and subsequently it would break all nearby windows. The vapor cloud you see formed during an airshow is the jet flying near or at the speed of sound, but not breaking the sound barrier. Wow, ok, since you want to challenge me on this and step up to the plate, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier Know what you're talking about before you try to disprove people who might have some sense and know what they're talking about...ESPECIALLY when it comes to their field of study... That link doesn't disprove anything I just said about airshow sonic booms, but thanks. Your picture didn't happen at an airshow, so makes that a relevant argument....omg, you're ridiculous...fuck this... You obviously know all; there is to know. Maybe we should just rename the website to Conundrum.com When you fly at or near the speed of sound, you get ready to break the SOUND BARRIER....who the fuck cares about airshows... And the condensation is due to vapor pressure and gas around the aircraft.....fuck that, i'll stick to talking to people who have some kind of sensePuttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #31 October 19, 2007 QuoteI shared it with some techie folks, they said definitely photoshop. I'm waiting for the answer as to how they can tell. No I didn't take the pic. Didn't pshop it either. I'll try to find the source again. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #32 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteI shared it with some techie folks, they said definitely photoshop. I'm waiting for the answer as to how they can tell. No I didn't take the pic. Didn't pshop it either. I'll try to find the source again. And this isn't a cut against you man....if its a reputable source, thats cool...its a great pic nonetheless and I love the Blue Angels... I was just curious about it...Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #33 October 19, 2007 Found it here: http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2007/10/angels-and-geek.html "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #34 October 19, 2007 QuoteNice shots, JT!! What was your setup? THanks, Guess I'll hi jack this thread. XT 200mm ISO 100, f8-10,Tv approx 1000. those pics are cropped in quite a bit.My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #35 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis one is probably fake too: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/ignace/physics/BA_Sonic_Boom_opt.jpg And for the record, at an airshow, a jet will not actually break the sound barrier. It can't. If it did, it would create a sonic boom, which would be probably deafening and subsequently it would break all nearby windows. The vapor cloud you see formed during an airshow is the jet flying near or at the speed of sound, but not breaking the sound barrier. Wow, ok, since you want to challenge me on this and step up to the plate, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier Know what you're talking about before you try to disprove people who might have some sense and know what they're talking about...ESPECIALLY when it comes to their field of study... That link doesn't disprove anything I just said about airshow sonic booms, but thanks. Your picture didn't happen at an airshow, so makes that a relevant argument....omg, you're ridiculous...fuck this... You obviously know all; there is to know. Maybe we should just rename the website to Conundrum.com When you fly at or near the speed of sound, you get ready to break the SOUND BARRIER....who the fuck cares about airshows... And the condensation is due to vapor pressure and gas around the aircraft.....fuck that, i'll stick to talking to people who have some kind of sense Here is a direct quote from one of my posts: "It's just on the cusp of breaking the sound barrier, which is why it has the vaopr/condensation cloud around it." Which is exactly what you just said. So, I'm not sure why you're telling me I'm wrong about breaking the sound barrier. Also, if you want to tell me to "shut the fuck up" feel free to say it here and not in the PM you sent me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #36 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis one is probably fake too: http://www.etsu.edu/physics/ignace/physics/BA_Sonic_Boom_opt.jpg And for the record, at an airshow, a jet will not actually break the sound barrier. It can't. If it did, it would create a sonic boom, which would be probably deafening and subsequently it would break all nearby windows. The vapor cloud you see formed during an airshow is the jet flying near or at the speed of sound, but not breaking the sound barrier. Wow, ok, since you want to challenge me on this and step up to the plate, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier Know what you're talking about before you try to disprove people who might have some sense and know what they're talking about...ESPECIALLY when it comes to their field of study... That link doesn't disprove anything I just said about airshow sonic booms, but thanks. Your picture didn't happen at an airshow, so makes that a relevant argument....omg, you're ridiculous...fuck this... You obviously know all; there is to know. Maybe we should just rename the website to Conundrum.com When you fly at or near the speed of sound, you get ready to break the SOUND BARRIER....who the fuck cares about airshows... And the condensation is due to vapor pressure and gas around the aircraft.....fuck that, i'll stick to talking to people who have some kind of sense Here is a direct quote from one of my posts: "It's just on the cusp of breaking the sound barrier, which is why it has the vaopr/condensation cloud around it." Which is exactly what you just said. So, I'm not sure why you're telling me I'm wrong about breaking the sound barrier. Also, if you want to tell me to "shut the fuck up" feel free to say it here and not in the PM you sent me. I dont care....shut the fuck up.... Hows that?Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #37 October 19, 2007 I'm thinking it is real, or leaning that way. The explanations or reasons for suspicion so far are not very strong. One person said it must be fake because they are not allowed to fly that low near spectators. But with a telephoto lens the depth of field is very poor, and can be deceiving. There might actually be quite a bit of space between the foreground and background boats. Another suspicion is the shape of the vapor being created; that it would not be nearly so symetrical that close to the water. But with fast, yet subsonic flight, we might not see deformation of the vapor cone caused by a surface nearby - but outside - the vapor cone. An interesting conundrum." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #38 October 19, 2007 Quote I'm thinking it is real, or leaning that way. The explanations or reasons for suspicion so far are not very strong. One person said it must be fake because they are not allowed to fly that low near spectators. But with a telephoto lens the depth of field is very poor, and can be deceiving. There might actually be quite a bit of space between the foreground and background boats. Another suspicion is the shape of the vapor being created; that it would not be nearly so symetrical that close to the water. But with fast, yet subsonic flight, we might not see deformation of the vapor cone caused by a surface nearby - but outside - the vapor cone. An interesting conundrum. Thank you....thats an argument I agree with... Quote An interesting conundrum. Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #39 October 19, 2007 Enough... Both of you. I've been to enough airshows to know thats a pretty standerd act for the BA's to pull. San Francisco is a bit different and they push the limits and play in the bay and around the city more then other airshows. This is the one time I can think they pretty much ignore the "Direct no energy towards a crowd" airshow requirement.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #40 October 19, 2007 It is the only photo from the article that the author didn't take. I just sent him an email asking if he knows the source. My thought was that it just appears to be that low due to lense, etc The condensate cloud does not imply supersonic flight. That kind of cloud can occur at .8 Mach, ~600 mph at sea level. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #41 October 19, 2007 Cool... QuoteThe condensate cloud does not imply supersonic flight. That kind of cloud can occur at .8 Mach, ~600 mph at sea level. Well yes that I know....because of air pressure at sea level. I was just wondering even with breaking that cloud, it should cause a disturbance of some sort, but I've never been to SF to see this in person, so I can't comment.Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #42 October 19, 2007 Quotebut I've never been to SF to see this in person, so I can't comment. Oh the irony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #43 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuotebut I've never been to SF to see this in person, so I can't comment. Oh the irony. Phreezone see what I mean...she continually just instigates the entire situation. There's no irony. No I've never been there but can still comment. Just like I've never met you, but that's not going to stop me from having really bad preliminary notions of what kind of person you are.....Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #44 October 19, 2007 I think it's totally ridiculous that you just spent the last 20 minutes INSISTING that I was wrong, that it was a photoshop, and now it's: "I wasn't there so I can't comment". It's hilarious! Quote Just like I've never met you, but that's not going to stop me from having really bad preliminary notions of what kind of person you are..... Ditto my dear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #45 October 19, 2007 QuoteIt is the only photo from the article that the author didn't take. I just sent him an email asking if he knows the source. My thought was that it just appears to be that low due to lense, etc The condensate cloud does not imply supersonic flight. That kind of cloud can occur at .8 Mach, ~600 mph at sea level. Isn't that just an extreme version of the little swirly goodies we sometimes see coming off the wingtips of something even as small as a 182?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #46 October 19, 2007 snapping this sort of photo isn't luck. it's skill and practice. i sure as hell couldn't do it, but my husband, who photographs motorcycle road races all the time, probably could. And it's real. I've seen this with my own eyes. And yes, i too was looking at it going "hmm, wonder what the shock angle is...bet i could figure out how fast he's going!" Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #47 October 19, 2007 Can't comment about what happens during the show, as phreezone stated. I CAN COMMENT on things that I know about, such as you saying that being near the speed of sound isn't breaking the sound barrier. Seriously, I feel bad for you. That's all i'm going to say because anything more and I will get kicked off. I just hope I never get the chance to meet you in real life. Have a great day!! Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conundrum 1 #48 October 19, 2007 Quote Have a great day!! I will, thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psipike02 0 #49 October 19, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt is the only photo from the article that the author didn't take. I just sent him an email asking if he knows the source. My thought was that it just appears to be that low due to lense, etc The condensate cloud does not imply supersonic flight. That kind of cloud can occur at .8 Mach, ~600 mph at sea level. Isn't that just an extreme version of the little swirly goodies we sometimes see coming off the wingtips of something even as small as a 182? Not really, those are wingtip vorticies and are caused by a disturbance in the boundary layer (airflow) flowing over the wing. Its a difference in pressure between the top edge and bottom edge of the wing, but not a drop in pressure, as it becomes regulated again at the trailing edge. And Bikerbabe, thanks you, if you've seen it, then thats all the proof I need.Puttin' some stank on it. ----Hellfish #707---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SARLDO 0 #50 October 19, 2007 Anybody else go through a bag of popcorn over this one or was it just me?"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest" ~Samuel Clemens MB#4300 Dudeist Skydiver #68 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
