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I have seen alot of mains fly just fine with lines out of order on the links. Having them out of order on a reserve should not cause a problem either. It just looks bad on the riggers who did not catch it. It would be easy to miss if you do not check each line and assume the previous rigger did their job correctly.
Chris
Lines in the right order is one reason I hang every reserve I work on. Hanging the canopy makes this a quick and simple job plus so many other things can be checked with the canopy hanging.
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teason 0
I hang the canopy for the same reason but it does also make inspecting in the cells way easier.
I bought c-clamps (with rubber ends) so that I can hang a canopy almost anywhere. I like to put the rig on my back so that I can look up the lines to check continuity, whether it's a new customer or my own gear that I've packed dozens of times. It just makes sense and it only takes a second.
I bought c-clamps (with rubber ends) so that I can hang a canopy almost anywhere. I like to put the rig on my back so that I can look up the lines to check continuity, whether it's a new customer or my own gear that I've packed dozens of times. It just makes sense and it only takes a second.
I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.
I hang the canopy for the same reason but it does also make inspecting in the cells way easier.
I bought c-clamps (with rubber ends) so that I can hang a canopy almost anywhere. I like to put the rig on my back so that I can look up the lines to check continuity, whether it's a new customer or my own gear that I've packed dozens of times. It just makes sense and it only takes a second.
I think I might do it because it is a carry over from the old days when the FAA lic. lofts. At that time you were supposed to hang and air a canopy for 24 hours if I remember right.
And you are right, it just makes so many things easier to see and check.
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mdrejhon 8
Imagine travelling with that rig and getting caught by security. Ouch!i once found a baggie of pot in a repack.
HeatherB 0
I'm not a rigger, but I popped a reserve once and found a toggle unattached to the brake line. It just slipped off in my hand.
Not so good.
Edit to add: the owner of the rig was his own rigger
Not so good.
Edit to add: the owner of the rig was his own rigger
caspar 0
ive heard people say on this forum that there are people out there that are scared of using their reserve incase that also mals. as in, they fight with their main waaay too long hoping to sort it out.
just an obversation and i know most likely wrong but dont you guys think this thread is going to make more problems rather than help the average skydiver/student read this? i would of thought its going to scare a lot of people.
just an obversation and i know most likely wrong but dont you guys think this thread is going to make more problems rather than help the average skydiver/student read this? i would of thought its going to scare a lot of people.
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading."
brabzzz 0
Yeah my take on the matter is that up until a certain point, blindly carrying out reserve drills is the only and the best approach.
After that point has come and gone (maybe it never does for some - better/worse?), if there's time, i'd like to think i'd stop for a second and think about what's happening/not happening. If i find myself under a screwed canopy, then i hope i'd spend every second down to 1500ft trying to deal with it. I've got nothing to lose by doing that, and I'll land closer to my main if i need to chop + might get a cool video from the ground.
However much I trust the rigger that packed my reserve, it is still a 100% unknown. It's behind me, under all the flaps and i didn't put it in there and know nothing about it...
Too much information isn't a bad thing. Just make sure you have a plan and STICK to it.
Disclaimer - I've don't have thousands of jumps/decades in the sport. I've not had a mal yet. When i do have that experience, maybe my opionion will change.
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After that point has come and gone (maybe it never does for some - better/worse?), if there's time, i'd like to think i'd stop for a second and think about what's happening/not happening. If i find myself under a screwed canopy, then i hope i'd spend every second down to 1500ft trying to deal with it. I've got nothing to lose by doing that, and I'll land closer to my main if i need to chop + might get a cool video from the ground.
However much I trust the rigger that packed my reserve, it is still a 100% unknown. It's behind me, under all the flaps and i didn't put it in there and know nothing about it...
Too much information isn't a bad thing. Just make sure you have a plan and STICK to it.
Disclaimer - I've don't have thousands of jumps/decades in the sport. I've not had a mal yet. When i do have that experience, maybe my opionion will change.
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Ex-University of Bristol Skydiving Club
www.skydivebristoluni.com
If i find myself under a screwed canopy, then i hope i'd spend every second down to 1500ft trying to deal with it. I've got nothing to lose by doing that, and I'll land closer to my main if i need to chop + might get a cool video from the ground.
The only thing you have to lose is your life. Trying to be a rigger in freefall is for fools. If you can't land it, chop it.
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NWFlyer 2
dont you guys think this thread is going to make more problems rather than help the average skydiver/student read this?
What I hope it will do is remind skydivers of a few things:
1) You are responsible for your main. Maintain it and pack it like you understand that, not like you have a "Plan B."
2) You are responsible for your body position on deployment. Learn as much as you can about how that can impact the likelihood of a malfunction or other problems on opening (Scott Miller wrote a great article in Skydiving magazine a few months ago about that topic... it's worth digging up a copy and reading it).
3) Reserves are packed by human beings. Some are more human than others. Even the best screw up and the worst probably screw up even more. Find one you trust.
All that said ...
4) If you can't stack the deck in your favor to trust your gear, this sport probably isn't for you.
"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke
riggerrob 643
Disclaimer - I've don't have thousands of jumps/decades in the sport. I've not had a mal yet. When i do have that experience, maybe my opinion will change.
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If it helps any ... My first reserve ride radically changed my opinion.
I went from a scared, skinny, insecure young man, to a man that KNEW that he could save his own life.
caspar 0
im fine with reading all this, i was mainly thinking about people about to do aff or doing it reading this thread.
saying that, finding a bag of pot in a reserve pack job is pretty unerving. there's being human and there's being...(insert clever word here)
saying that, finding a bag of pot in a reserve pack job is pretty unerving. there's being human and there's being...(insert clever word here)
"When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading."
NWFlyer 2
saying that, finding a bag of pot in a reserve pack job is pretty unerving. there's being human and there's being...(insert clever word here)
Like I said, find one you trust.
ive heard people say on this forum that there are people out there that are scared of using their reserve incase that also mals. as in, they fight with their main waaay too long hoping to sort it out.
just an obversation and i know most likely wrong but dont you guys think this thread is going to make more problems rather than help the average skydiver/student read this? i would of thought its going to scare a lot of people.
Well this aguement has been around as long as skydiving has, the fact of the matter is that there is not a signifacnt body count to be blamed on poor rigging. Parachutes do function correctly even when rigging is sub-standard, I'm not endorsing poor rigging practice but look at it in real terms, poor rigging has not significantly contributed to jumper death tolls over the years.
Manufacturers have for many years now have sought ways to mitigate bozo riggers from actually killing or maiming people and despite the best efforts of the bozo contingent the mortality rate is astoundingly low!!!
The best recipe to overcome "gear fear" is to learn more about what it is you have on your back and how it works, right down to the exact sequence of events that takes place when you pull the handle. Remember the "mysterious box" above your main is not magic, it's simply another parachute that has many built in features to handle things that you would never be concerned about deploying your main.
Talk to riggers and manufacturers about how things work right down to the load path taken during an opening, you'll be supprised to find out how much you don't know! Remember education could save your life one day, it saved mine!!!
Mick.
Manufacturers have for many years now have sought ways to mitigate bozo riggers from actually killing or maiming people and despite the best efforts of the bozo contingent the mortality rate is astoundingly low!!!
Mick,
You must always remember Booth's law #2.
"The safer skydiving gear becomes, the more chances skydivers will take, in order to keep the fatality rate constant."
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